Numismatic crossroads: Should I abandon my Dansco 7070?

obversity

I like coin albums. I really do. I love pulling the album out of its slipcase and casually flipping trough the pages and seeing the coins all laid out. It feels warm and magical.

Coins in an album feel like a collection but individual slabs don't. I don't find pulling slabs out of a box as pleasurable and I don't like the plastic "clunk" they make when they are put back in. It feels artificial and mass-produced.

But...

As the coins I'm putting in my Dansco 7070 album get more expensive I'm questioning whether I should be cracking them out of their slabs (I tend to buy certified). Also, after just a year I've noticed some rim toning starting on my silver modern proofs in the album. I know Dansco's tone (or allow toning, if you will) but I didn't think it would happen this fast.

So, I'm debating on continuing the type set but not putting the coins in the album any more. Perhaps even re-slabbing those I already have. Or perhaps, completely give in and build the PCGS "US design" registry set with certified coins.

Such a dilemma. What to do? What to do?

Thoughts?

Leiana

Aren't the slipcases supposed to prevent toning?!?!

-Amanda

robertpr

<< <i>Aren't the slipcases supposed to prevent toning?!?!

-Amanda >>



No.

Myqqy

What brings you the most enjoyment?

Leiana

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<< <i>Aren't the slipcases supposed to prevent toning?!?!

-Amanda >>



No. >>



Geez. My slipcase says it's got magical stuff in it developed by the military that will keep toning gasses away. Where's that PT Barnum quote.......

-Amanda

BillJones

I have not used conventional coin albums for more than 30 years. My type set and want list to fill it are “in my head.”

There are two big problems with albums.

#1. Once the collection reaches a certain point it’s too valuable to keep at home. Therefore you either have to put some coins in bank or the whole collection in the bank. It defeats the purpose of the album.

#2. Storage problems. You have already seen your Proof coins grow toning are tarnish. I’ve yet to see an album that preserved Proof coins well unless it’s an Eagle album.

I use Eagle albums for my token and political medalet collection. It’s very flexible, gives great protection to the pieces and you can take individual pieces out for storage in other places, like the safe deposit box.

Barndog

<< <i><< Aren't the slipcases supposed to prevent toning?!?!

-Amanda >>



No. >>



The YN was correct. This comes from the Brent-Krueger site:


Perfect addition to your Dansco Coin Album! The Dansco archival quality slipcase has been produced with Silver-Guard corrosion-inhibiting protection. No other product on the market matches Silver-Guard protection against corrosion. Unlike other competing anti-corrosion albums that incorporate only a 1/2 mil of anti-corrosion material, Silver guard offers a dense 2-mil coating for years of protection.

This military specification material permanently neutralizes corrosive gases in the air that can cause toning and discoloring. The technology works with silver, gold, copper, nickel coins, medals, medallions, bars and ferrous metals.
LINKED

Barry

My Dansco 7070 hasn't toned any coins and the coins have been in the album for several years. Perhaps it's a moisture problem. Where are you storing them? Do you have a silica gel pack or canister nearby and do you recharge it from time to time?

Coindexter

How about you just get an album for your slabs and enjoy the best of both worlds?

BillJones

<< <i>How about you just get an album for your slabs and enjoy the best of both worlds? >>



The Eagle album pages for slabs and their holders are pretty fragile. There is no PVC in them which makes them inert, but also brittle. It's the one downside to the Eagle system.

keets

the fact that you're asking the question tells me you have either grown tired of the set or that it's become too expensive for you to obtain the coins you want in the grades you want. if you've grown tired of the set, yes, it may be time to abondon it and place your money, researching time and energy into another area you enjoy more. if the set as you envision it has become too expensive perhaps you should place it on the back burner or, again, sell and move into an area you feel suits you more.

Coindexter

I have an eagle album (the 45 slab model) that I got two years ago. While I agree that the pages are a bit brittle, I don't treat the album with kid gloves and it is still in perfect condition. I'm pretty satisfied with it.

DRUNNER

I was at the same 'crossroads' several years ago on a 7070 that had eye-appeal (mainly toning) as a focus. I was just a bit concerned I had some better-grade material in an album and was feeling like I had a lack of flexibility to some degree . . . if I wanted a shellcase Lincoln for example . . . or a major sub-variety of large cent . . . I had leftover coins, mainly in slabs.

I have sets of Registry Morgans and Commems, so I just decided that my main '7070' would be certified and join the other main collecting sets. I hated to give up the ability to take the album to a show (there was a certain appeal to grinding a few dealers to a halt while the book got passed around) where all the coins were together, but I gained protection and (dare I say it?) value by having them holdered. I love Baley's set too . . . I just chose a different path . . .and I'm happy with it.

Another benefit . . . my storage of the 7070 now is just in PCGS boxes . . . but I have a penchant for keeping a couple of certain series . . .for example, my 'type' wheat Lincoln is actually 6 of them . . . from 1956 and 1957 Mint Sets . . . holdered "reverse'out" with that iridescent kaleidescope toning. I like eye-appeal . . . and sometimes I may double up. Tough in a 7070.

Just my thoughts . . . .

Drunner

TwoSides2aCoin

Toning is almost inevitable. The worst part of a Dansco is the risk you take when sliding the plastic slip guard in and out. Should it come in contact with the coin on the slide, the toning really doesn't matter.
On the other hand.... Dansco 7070 is the only one I plan on never abandoning, nor will I part with certain numismatic items in PCGS slabs.... at least not right now. SIT TIGHT obversity. Time's on your side

If your intent is to have a former certified type set in the dansco....leave those currently in the slabs alone til you have assembled the whole album. Save those inserts so you can easily auction the whole thing off later if that is the desire.

As for slabs, certification, toning and albums.... like someone said: it's about what YOU enjoy that matters.



Joe

coindeuce

If you're aquiring more expensive coins at this point, and have concerns about rim toning(or any toning for that matter), why not invest in an Intercept Shield album, which offers far more archival protection than Dansco products? Look here

obversity

Wow. Some great responses here. Thanks for everyone's thoughts. What's interesting is that there's clearly not a concensus. Why should that surprise me on this board ;-)

Barry: Ah, my 7070 hero Your set's one of the main reasons I ventured down this path to begin with. To answer your question about the environment, the album is kept on a bookshelf in my house which is air conditioned year-round. I hadn't thought of the silica gel. I'll give that a shot.

Coindexter: Hm, I'll have to look into those albums. Too bad they don't have better pictures on their website.

Keets: I'm not saying I'm bored with the collection. I'm really enjoying it. I'm just wondering if I should ditch the album.

CoinDeuce: I would love to do that. I have IS albums for some other things but they don't have a type set album. I've thought of even asking them what it would cost to have some kind of customized album made.

coindeuce

<< <i>CoinDeuce: I would love to do that. I have IS albums for some other things but they don't have a type set album. I've thought of even asking them what it would cost to have some kind of customized album made. >>


Maybe a polite suggestion to Intercept Shield that they find the sales records of Dansco for the 7070 album?

obversity

OK, I know almost all of your are eagerly awaiting my decision (that was sarcasm for he humor impaired) here's what I've decided to do....

I will have two type sets.

One will be my 7070 but I will completed with nice looking circulated grades to keep the cost down. Instead of the $8,000-$10,000 I was going to put into it I figure I should get it done for around $2,000. Low enough to keep around to look at but still contain some interesting coins.

My other type set will be one I define and will be in EF-MS grades and in slabs (and probably in a safe deposit box).

So in the end I'm following my general rule of "if you can't decide between two, take both". ;-)

Anyone else keep multiple sets like this?

SMK

I know this is an old thread but would like to mention that Intercept sheild is coming out with a type set album that would have slots for coins till 2010.

topstuf

If you do decide to abandon it, the OFFICIAL site for abandoning 7070s is on Interstate 80 just a little south of Roseville, California.

I can get you a copy of the regs if I have to write some.

Bochiman

I don't like to crack out coins for our 7070 and still have the stoppers left (seated dollar, etc).
I am thinking of getting a slabbed one, getting a good picture of it, resizing it, cutting it out and pasting it to a cardboard insert that I can put into the hole in the album.

Maybe not as nice looking as someone people's albums (brave souls who crack them out) but since the album is for my son and I, I don't want him ruining a coin by accident, particularly an expensive one.

fc

i never cared for the 7070 idea. So to me, moving away from it
sounds like a good move. Now you are free to explore as you wish,
not penned into a certain buy everytime you look at coins.

RYK

<< <i>I don't like to crack out coins for our 7070 and still have the stoppers left (seated dollar, etc).
I am thinking of getting a slabbed one, getting a good picture of it, resizing it, cutting it out and pasting it to a cardboard insert that I can put into the hole in the album.

Maybe not as nice looking as someone people's albums (brave souls who crack them out) but since the album is for my son and I, I don't want him ruining a coin by accident, particularly an expensive one. >>



Sounds cheesy. Crack those bad boys!

droopyd

<< <i>I have IS albums for some other things but they don't have a type set album. >>



My understanding is that this product is coming soon.

Bochiman

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<< <i>I don't like to crack out coins for our 7070 and still have the stoppers left (seated dollar, etc).
I am thinking of getting a slabbed one, getting a good picture of it, resizing it, cutting it out and pasting it to a cardboard insert that I can put into the hole in the album.

Maybe not as nice looking as someone people's albums (brave souls who crack them out) but since the album is for my son and I, I don't want him ruining a coin by accident, particularly an expensive one. >>



Sounds cheesy. Crack those bad boys! >>



It is cheesy, but I don't want blank holes and I don't want to crack them....I am too poor to risk it

EricSan

Obversity: I have been thinking about the same issues recently. I like the idea of seeing all of the coins next to one another in a nice album, but I am not interested in the toning that seems to happen with the dansco album- thus putting me off from a high grade type set. So I've decided that I will begin two type sets. The first will be a Dansco and it will contain many of the heavily circulated coins that I purchased when I was a kid. I've probably got 2/3 of the contents of the 7070 in 2x2s already. The next set will be slabbed coins in XF-MS grade that will stay in their slabs with intercept shields, silica gel, etc. to help slow down any color changes.

SMK

Why not just wait for Intercept to come up with their type set album?