That is one awesome card. Great Eye Appeal. I love the corners and the centering. it must be the light creases that grades it a 3 right. Again great Eye Appeal and thanks for sharing. That's a top notch 3 One question though. Do you think the back side profile had anything to do with how the card was graded?
I definately wanna get a cobb I'm Drooling over yours as it has wonderful eye appeal and character.
I dont think so. The card has great color and the crease is what made a 3. I usually pass on creases, but with the ghost on the back, I just had to have this one. It's not really a true ghost image. The red on the sheet under it wasn't dry when they placed this sheet on top of it. But, how many ghost Cobbs are there? It makes it unique. I won this in a Scott Gaynor auction last year around this time. Joe
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Good eye. I never really noticed it. I can't tell through the slab what it is. Doesn't look like pape loss. Maybe a speck of something on the plate and the color didn't transfer.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Well if it's not paper loss then thats good to say the least.
would it be considered in the grading field as not having all printing in tact? I'd much rather have a small missing spot of printing in an inconspicuos spot then other defects As this barely effects eye appeal.
I noticed this in the grading scale at a web site called the Tobacco Card Company. Albeit it is not a TPG grading scale it does mention Missing Print.
"Very Good (VG) Shows obvious handling. Corners rounded and/or perhaps showing minor creases. Other minor creases may be visible. Surfaces may exhibit loss of luster, **but all printing is intact**. May show major gum, wax or other packaging stains. No major creases, tape marks or extraneous markings or writing. All four borders visible, though the ratio may be as poor as 95/5. Exhibits honest wear."
Problem is i don't understand if this pertains to paper loss or a printing mistake where ink did not transfer on the card in a ceretain spot during the printing process.
Grading has its rules but is highly subjective. Never get into a debate about grading or grading companies. It like playing Tic Tac Toe. There's never a winner.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Well I just bought 13 examples at an avg of $26 shipped. I would like to know how you think I did for a rookie. I've been researching and studying t206 as a collector for a week and have never seen one in person. Sorry for alot of pictures.
That's a good average price for 3's. I had some of that seller's stuff tracked today but totally forgot about them come closing time, but I did win a lot of 8 or so from him the other day. The PSA grade on the Barry is probably generous due to the paper loss on back, but the damage itself doesn't really bother me since the card's front is so nice. Same with the Rudolph.
Over-priced, over-valued, over-hyped. I think T206 cards in all grades are way over rated. I've seen so many examples that I felt were trimmed, especially in the high grades. I'll admit, I collected them at one time, but I won't touch them now... Too risky IMHO.
Thanks DizzyFoxx for your valued opinion. Well said.
My opinion is that these are Antique Paper cards printed with American History and have major collectable prowess. Might I also add made legendary due to the fact of Honus Wagner. I believe other sets have been deemed legendary due to the compliments of 1 card. Example is 1952 Topps. This is the other set I considered to collect examples but have decided T206. You see popularity plays a big part in the guarentee your investment won't go down in price or stagnate or lose demand. YOu should know Dizzyfoxx that Key U.S. coins continue to rise nicely in value in any grade, because of popularity such as(1909 s VDB 1916d) or any key coin for that fact.
With that said I welcome the challange of T206(antique Paper cards). A good eye pays Dividends and patience is a welcome skill due to the fact there are alot. A vast variation of conditions makes alot of T206 Unique. There is no doubt, there is alot of demand.
I feel that if you try and buy each card raw thinking the best and paying less, it won't pay divedends. With patience and street smarts one should be able to avoid trimmed cards. Always consider the sellers position. WHy is a T206 dealer selling a raw card that would grade nicely. Probably because it's trimmed. Also can't you measure cards, check edges. I'm refering to personal evaluation which would be smart for large investments of anything raw.
I am an individual who collects for investment. I'm looking to put money away. You know I could be buying Bullion. I do buy some, but Antique baseball cards are a dream though and I'm having so much more fun. This is just my cup of tea.
im not sure how the T206 market will look like in the future. a lot of people expected the set to top off and go down several years ago...and look at it now. T cards are not the hottest at the moment. E cards take that mantle. Even bread cards are beginning to see a big rise in value. i think if you do solid research and stay firm with what you want in terms of condition and price, you shouldnt be hurt too badly if T206's do come down. if you start over bidding on cards just for the sake of the registry or because of impatience, the expected decline in these cards will hit you hard. if you stay patient, buy cards according to your budget and your ideal conditions...you should be fine.
i for one have been priced out of the psa 4-5 range...especially when it comes to HOF portraits. will the price bumps be seen in the even lower grades in the not too distant future? guess we'll see.
<< <i>Over-priced, over-valued, over-hyped. I think T206 cards in all grades are way over rated. I've seen so many examples that I felt were trimmed, especially in the high grades. >>
interesting coments. you dont give too many reasons and objective facts to back up your statements, but still it's nice to get a pushback in a thread that's brimming with T206 love.
over-priced? based on supply, sure. E cards are priced much higher than T206s...but a large part of that is because of lack of good conditioned cards. among pre war T cards, T206 is very plentiful. but in terms of popularity, T206 is atop the mountain. so, demand is there. right now, at least in the low to mid grade cards, supply and demand are nearly on par with one another...with demand likely above. hence, prices that seem to rise.
over-valued? not sure how you can differentiate the terms over priced and over valued. in terms of investments, realized prices determines values. in terms of a hobby, interest and personal connection determines values.
over-hyped? slightly. but not so much. theres a reason why people like to collect these cards. they are beautiful, plentiful and the set contains a ton of HOFers. It is THE defining pre war set...much like the 1952 topps is for post war sets.
i dont think there is much risk in T206s...largely because it is so plentiful. high grade cards are suspect...but you can say the same thing about E cards..where condition is even more of an issue. whenever someone asks me what prewar set they should start diving into, i instantly suggest either the 33 goudeys or T206s because they are plentiful, beautiful, always in demand, can be collected in so many ways and have a large community of collectors.
daniel...thats a great start!..both the raw and the slabbed purchases! At $19 a piece, that's a nice deal for such solid looking cards.
steve....i saw your bid on that young portrait. i was hoping that you wouldnt outbid me! I did see that you got some great low grade paper loss cards from a seller a few days ago. i was going to bid on a lot of those, but i was away from my computer when those cards ended (and i dont have a snipe service). Great deals in my opinion.
Cy young is such a popular player. That is one name I here over and over and over again. THE CY YOUNG AWARD. Very neat eye appeal on that card. Cy young is a legend for sure and popular.
Your psa 2's have great colors and light creases. I'd love to see the backs when you get a chance for understanding the realized grades.
Major, Very nice pick ups. I need both those cards and those are exactly the condition I wanted and could afford. Unfortunately at the moment I am Financially embarrassed, (broke) and will have to hold off on any purchases for awhile. Joe
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
joe...i need to sell off parts of my collection soon to make up for these purchases. i also bought a ty cobb bat on PSA 1 a week ago..and a 5 or 6 commons a few days ago. i'll need to lay low for awhile, just purchasing low grade, nice eye appeal commons (much like what daniel has above). there was a very nice brenahan portrait that was up for sale by steve hart last night. very, very nice eye appeal. couldnt pull the trigger to outbid the top guy given my two recent purchases. below is what the card looked like.
<< <i>everyones opinion is valued and welcome. How much overpriced and overvalued do you think T206 is? >>
Thanks and I agree with you on everyone's opinions being valueable. As far as T206's, IMHO, I think the lower graded examples are just slightly overvalued, and the high grade examples are ridiculously over-valued. IMHO, there are just too many that I have seen that I felt were not totally original and as issued. Mostly due to the issue of trimming. Of course I could be wrong, but we all must abide by our own gut feelings. And my gut tells me that even though I collected them at one time, I will not even consider collecting them again.
raw low graded examples(paper loss, heavy marking, heavy corners, and heavy creases) In my opinion go for to much money than they should. For some reason I think there is a factor that keeps them overvalued. And it's possibly the rookie buyer just wanting a cheap example or a few he can have for a small collection. ALso collectors maybe going for the goal of quanity buying every t206 they see thats a raw beater.
Here is an example of how much people pay for raw beaters. I watched this auction to see where it would end. This person payed an avg $12 per card. These are some ugly cards. I would never buy them. But the market will.
Are there fakes without the reprint designation on the back? alot of them? OR does the seller try to sell a fake by hiding the reprint designation and not showing back of card.
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I definately wanna get a cobb
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
What is that small white dot on cobbs left shoulder? I checked another Cobb and didn't see it.
Maybe a speck of something on the plate and the color didn't transfer.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
would it be considered in the grading field as not having all printing in tact? I'd much rather have a small missing spot of printing in an inconspicuos spot then other defects As this barely effects eye appeal.
"Very Good (VG)
Shows obvious handling. Corners rounded and/or perhaps showing minor creases. Other minor creases may be visible. Surfaces may exhibit loss of luster, **but all printing is intact**. May show major gum, wax or other packaging stains. No major creases, tape marks or extraneous markings or writing. All four borders visible, though the ratio may be as poor as 95/5. Exhibits honest wear."
Problem is i don't understand if this pertains to paper loss or a printing mistake where ink did not transfer on the card in a ceretain spot during the printing process.
Never get into a debate about grading or grading companies.
It like playing Tic Tac Toe. There's never a winner.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
<< <i>Enigma >>
I'll admit, I collected them at one time, but I won't touch them now... Too risky IMHO.
My opinion is that these are Antique Paper cards printed with American History and have major collectable prowess. Might I also add made legendary due to the fact of Honus Wagner. I believe other sets have been deemed legendary due to the compliments of 1 card. Example is 1952 Topps. This is the other set I considered to collect examples but have decided T206. You see popularity plays a big part in the guarentee your investment won't go down in price or stagnate or lose demand. YOu should know Dizzyfoxx that Key U.S. coins continue to rise nicely in value in any grade, because of popularity such as(1909 s VDB 1916d) or any key coin for that fact.
With that said I welcome the challange of T206(antique Paper cards). A good eye pays Dividends and patience is a welcome skill due to the fact there are alot. A vast variation of conditions makes alot of T206 Unique. There is no doubt, there is alot of demand.
I feel that if you try and buy each card raw thinking the best and paying less, it won't pay divedends. With patience and street smarts one should be able to avoid trimmed cards. Always consider the sellers position. WHy is a T206 dealer selling a raw card that would grade nicely. Probably because it's trimmed. Also can't you measure cards, check edges. I'm refering to personal evaluation which would be smart for large investments of anything raw.
I am an individual who collects for investment. I'm looking to put money away. You know I could be buying Bullion. I do buy some, but Antique baseball cards are a dream though and I'm having so much more fun. This is just my cup of tea.
Thanks,
i for one have been priced out of the psa 4-5 range...especially when it comes to HOF portraits. will the price bumps be seen in the even lower grades in the not too distant future? guess we'll see.
<< <i>Over-priced, over-valued, over-hyped. I think T206 cards in all grades are way over rated. I've seen so many examples that I felt were trimmed, especially in the high grades. >>
interesting coments. you dont give too many reasons and objective facts to back up your statements, but still it's nice to get a pushback in a thread that's brimming with T206 love.
over-priced? based on supply, sure. E cards are priced much higher than T206s...but a large part of that is because of lack of good conditioned cards. among pre war T cards, T206 is very plentiful. but in terms of popularity, T206 is atop the mountain. so, demand is there. right now, at least in the low to mid grade cards, supply and demand are nearly on par with one another...with demand likely above. hence, prices that seem to rise.
over-valued? not sure how you can differentiate the terms over priced and over valued. in terms of investments, realized prices determines values. in terms of a hobby, interest and personal connection determines values.
over-hyped? slightly. but not so much. theres a reason why people like to collect these cards. they are beautiful, plentiful and the set contains a ton of HOFers. It is THE defining pre war set...much like the 1952 topps is for post war sets.
i dont think there is much risk in T206s...largely because it is so plentiful. high grade cards are suspect...but you can say the same thing about E cards..where condition is even more of an issue. whenever someone asks me what prewar set they should start diving into, i instantly suggest either the 33 goudeys or T206s because they are plentiful, beautiful, always in demand, can be collected in so many ways and have a large community of collectors.
steve....i saw your bid on that young portrait. i was hoping that you wouldnt outbid me! I did see that you got some great low grade paper loss cards from a seller a few days ago. i was going to bid on a lot of those, but i was away from my computer when those cards ended (and i dont have a snipe service). Great deals in my opinion.
Your psa 2's have great colors and light creases. I'd love to see the backs when you get a chance for understanding the realized grades.
Thanks for showing
Very nice portraits of Young and Mathewson! I lost out on a Johnson PSA 5 portrait last night...Boy, did that end up high!
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
<< <i>everyones opinion is valued and welcome. How much overpriced and overvalued do you think T206 is? >>
Thanks and I agree with you on everyone's opinions being valueable. As far as T206's, IMHO, I think the lower graded examples are just slightly overvalued, and the high grade examples are ridiculously over-valued. IMHO, there are just too many that I have seen that I felt were not totally original and as issued. Mostly due to the issue of trimming. Of course I could be wrong, but we all must abide by our own gut feelings. And my gut tells me that even though I collected them at one time, I will not even consider collecting them again.
Here is an example of how much people pay for raw beaters. I watched this auction to see where it would end. This person payed an avg $12 per card.
These are some ugly cards. I would never buy them. But the market will.