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this is why you shouldnt bid when you're distracted

MajorDanbyMajorDanby Posts: 1,343
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Damn shipping and handling is nearly as much as the card! geeeeeezzzzz....

my fault for not reading the auction. still, makes you want to punch a hole through the wall.

Big Hurt, Big S&H
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  • VintageJeffVintageJeff Posts: 1,282 ✭
    Forget that. I'd be reporting that ASAP.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    image stop, thief!
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't pay for it. There's no reason for shipping to be more than $3-$4.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The shipping & handling cost is $10 >>



    I'ld feel better if I got...

    shipping & Handjob! Of course from Shana Hiatt.

    mike
    Mike
  • FavreFan1971FavreFan1971 Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭
    Report the feedback policy too.

    "Feedback will be given to the winner after your feedback to me is registered in order to properly verify satisfaction with the card. IF there is a problem, please notify me at your earliest convenience."
  • NewJerseyMeatHookNewJerseyMeatHook Posts: 1,441
    Shipping plus happy ending, Stone? Wow!
  • MajorDanbyMajorDanby Posts: 1,343


    << <i>Forget that. I'd be reporting that ASAP. >>



    what would you suggest i do? I normally dont get into situations like this because i usually read the auctions carefully. damn people coming over to my place to distract me when i need to feed my addiction!!

    btw, i havent paid yet and was thinking of emailing him about S&H.
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  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    I'd email him and explain that you got sidetracked and missed his outrageous s/h fees and see if you can work it out somehow. If he becomes hostile , I would then report it and also his feedback hostage method as well. Me personally, I wouldn't pay it. One slabbed card even with cardboard padding and then into a bubble mailer first class with D/C is about $1.50 tops. You both have 100% feedback so I don't think either one will risk getting a neg this way. He may let you off the hook if he thinks his perfect score may be jeopardize. Email him and see if you can come to a compromise. Good luck.
  • VintageJeffVintageJeff Posts: 1,282 ✭
    I'd tell him that you will pay $3 shipping and not a penny more. If he gets hostile report him. If he threatens a neg you do the same. He isn't going to take the hit on his feedback for something that stupid.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
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  • jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While I agree that the high shipping fees are a way to avoid Ebay fees, the shipping cost is plainly stated in the auction. It's not the sellers fault that you didn't read the description. Anyone that used Ebay should know to figure the shipping cost in what you are willing to pay for an item. I think you should pay for the card and high shipping fees then report the seller to Ebay for fee avoidance. Just my opinion.
    James
  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭
    Hate to rain on the parade, but the seller isn't the one who made the mistake here. Pay the bill and learn your lesson. I think Major Danby understands that; some of the other posters on this thread seem not to.
    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
  • VintageJeffVintageJeff Posts: 1,282 ✭
    I understand it fully. Problem is the seller is a rip off artist and I don't honor commitments to aholes who try to rip me off.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    I pack my items the same way this guy does when I ship two cards or less, Bubble mailer, carboard,and then I wrap the cardbaord in bubble wrap. With one card the package will weigh just under 3oz, Which costs .87 cents to ship. If he mails it from the PO add >60 cents for Delivery Confirmation, If he prints it him self add .04 cents. Either way this crook is making over $8.50 on shipping alone. I dont know how in the world he has 100% feedback. I saw where he charged someone $10 bucks shipping on a $2 card and the buyer left him a positive feedback.


    And he has the balls to say insurance is an extra $1.50 on most of his auctions !
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  • RichGRichG Posts: 483
    Even though the seller is obviously charging way too much for shipping, he did infact explain what the shipping charge was going to be. With this said, the buyer should pay the price and call it a lesson learned (It sounds like he already undestands this). However, I'm suprised as to how many people on this board would complain well after the fact about the shipping charge they agreed to pay when they placed their bid. If I'm the seller, and one of you complainers emailed me, I would tell them that in future auctions I will look into lowering the shipping cost, but would do nothing concerning with auction as it is already over.
    Rich
  • jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What it actually cost to ship the card is not the point here. The seller plainly stated what he charged for shipping. While he may be ripping Ebay off on some fees, he is not ripping the buyer off. It is not the seller's problem that the buyer didn't read the auction description.
    James
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    Both sides of the argument here are correct

    a) The seller is charging way too much for shipping and should probably be repoted to E-bay for it

    b) The seller did state the shipping costs in the auction and by bidding you accept the terms of the auction

    Now, You have two ways of dealing with it. Dont pay, Take the neg and report him

    OR Pay him and Learn to be more careful. And report him

    Most of us have done this at one time or another and learned our lesson.
    I have done something similar in the past, I learned from it, and moved on. However, I never bought from the gouging bastiges again.
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  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    It wouldnt hurt to contact the seller first and try to work something out. Be cordial, explain your side...you never know, he might work with you. If he doesnt, I think you should pay it, since it was your mistake. If you contact him, he is nasty about it and you still feel jobbed you could always pay for it this time, then open another ebay account, win another auction of his and give him some nice payback image
    "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
    -- Yogi Berra

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  • VintageJeffVintageJeff Posts: 1,282 ✭
    All I am seeing here is a few guys that still have the rip off dealer mentality. They just changed venues.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • RichGRichG Posts: 483
    One last point.....
    Alot of ebay sellers including myself factor in the shipping cost to the overall amount they are willing to pay for the card. With this said, the odds are fairly good that if this seller would have charged only $3 for shipping that the actual auction would have ended for a higher price than what it actually did. With this said, this is another reason that if I'm the seller of this auction, I would not budge on the shipping cost.
    Rich
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    agree with all who state that the buyer is at the mercy of the seller if terms are clearly stated....HOWEVER, i had the impression that eBay recently declared war on cheatin' bastiges who rip you to ship to you....i guess the war is over?
  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
    His shipping charges are unreasonably high, but if they were clearly stated, where's the complaint? Bidding on an item means you have read the item description and agree to the sellers terms.

    Sorry you were distracted, but I would honor the transaction, not report the seller, and not buy from him ever again.

    JoeBanzai
    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,753 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with JoeBanzai. The seller gave a detailed description about the shipping charges in the auction so it's certainly not right if you choose to withold payment as a result of your oversight. I do agree that the shipping is about $5-$6 higher than it should be, but that should be factored in when placing a bid. If you e-mail him, though, he may knock a few bucks off just to avoid the hassle of dealing with an unhappy buyer. I'd give that a shot.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • VintageJeffVintageJeff Posts: 1,282 ✭
    I honestly can't believe you guys are defending a guy charging $10 shipping for a single card.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,753 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeff,

    I don't think anyone is defending or condoning the high shipping charge for this card. However, this seller did explicitly state in his auction listing what the cost for shipping & handling would be and if someone bids on the auction then that person is essentially agreeing to those terms. It's not like the shipping charge wasn't stated and then the seller sends an invoice stating the charge.

    Let's put it this way: If a PSA card has an SMR value of $200 and you have an opportunity to purchase the card for $50 but shipping is $10 for the card, would you pass that purchase up because you feel that on principle the shipping is too high? As a buyer, I always factor the cost of shipping and handling into my bid. If I'm willing to spend $50 for a card that costs $5 to ship, then I'd only bid $45 if the card cost $10 to ship. I'm sure that he is losing potential bidders because of the high S&H, so in the end it likely more or less evens out.



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • RichGRichG Posts: 483
    Vintagejeff:
    For the record, I think the seller is wrong in charging $10 shipping for one card. However, as a buyer the time to complain is before the auction ends and not after. Once again the buyer isn't blaming the seller but instead himself for not paying attention......and for this, I tip my cap to him.
    Rich
  • VintageJeffVintageJeff Posts: 1,282 ✭
    I can see that to a point but 10 bucks!!!? Yeah he made a mistake by bidding but I don't think he should now be obligated to get taken advantage of.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,753 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, $10 is way too high to ship a PSA card, but placing a bid on an auction enters the buyer into a binding contract with the seller. Simply put, if you don't want to pay $10 for shipping, just don't bid.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • doncherrydoncherry Posts: 238 ✭


    << <i>Hate to rain on the parade, but the seller isn't the one who made the mistake here. Pay the bill and learn your lesson. I think Major Danby understands that; some of the other posters on this thread seem not to. >>



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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Of course the S&H is a ripoff. That's why you shouldn't bid! The seller clearly stated the S&H, and therefore the buyer should pay for the auction with no complaint. Case closed.
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    I have to side with Morrellman----what about the auction i won last week in haste, where i purchased a PSA 9 instead of the PSA 10. I saw the 10 and hit the 9 auction and with less than 30 seconds to go i did ye olde snipe bid on a card i already had in a 9. Now i have a 9 and a 10 coming in the mail.... My fault for not reading which auction i was bidding on. Pay the seller and move on. Heck i dropped alot more than $10 waiting between flights at Las Vegas airport today!!!


    Lucky for us, Character is not a fantasy stat!!!
  • wick70wick70 Posts: 340
    E-mail him to ask about the shipping. It might be an error. All of his other cards that were sold and those that are up for sale have a $5.99 S&H charge.

    Wick

    Enjoy collecting vintage baseball cards, memorabilia and autos
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  • DaBigHurtDaBigHurt Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    PSA charges $11.70 s/h for one card even if that card is only worth .50 cents. Does that make them rip-off artists too?
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  • ElemenopeoElemenopeo Posts: 2,577 ✭✭

    Jeff -- I have to disagree with you on this one. $10 is a ridiculouslly high S&H fee and an obvious effort to circumvent eBay fees, but, in my view, you're only ripping me off or taking advantage of me if you charge me a fee you didn't tell me about before I agreed to make the purchase. And I don't think somebody necessarily has a "rip-off dealer mentality" if they see it that way.







  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Has anyone actually contacted ebay about a ship/handling fee of ten bucks for a card?

    It may be worth a personal call.

    However, if ebay says - it's high but on the outer limits of the envelope - then, I will have to agree with anyone (MorrellMan e.g.) who thinks there's little one can do but pay the man.

    The seller has built into his fees a "cushion" to absorb some of his bad sales. Perhaps, a raise due to the higher cost of gas and everything else under the sun?

    Personally? I think the guy is off on this one - too high, and not fair - but as said - clearly and concisely stated in the auction.

    mike
    Mike
  • theczartheczar Posts: 1,590 ✭✭
    $25 Shipping

    I had to pucker up on this one. The card is only PSA 10, there is only one PSA 9. The shipping was 3% of the sales value. The good news is that it came from Canada to St. Louis less than 36 hours after I bought it. 8:30 this morning the FedEx man was here.

    Bottom line I saw the shipping cost, I didn't like it, I wanted the card and it got here fast.

    In this case an $11 card which is readily available and $10 for shipping sucks.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,753 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Czar,

    Actually $25 for FedEx shipping from canada of a card of the value isn't too bad. Nice pickup!


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • VintageJeffVintageJeff Posts: 1,282 ✭
    I agree he shouldn't have bid. I won't bid on an auction with high shipping charges and it is always the 2nd thing I look at right after the scan. I'm just saying that the seller is a scam artist. And yes PSA is ripping people off if they charge that much for one card but at least that most likely includes insurance and a box.
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>and a box. >>


    And for that kind of money...

    it better be tight!

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    Mike
  • VintageJeffVintageJeff Posts: 1,282 ✭
    I like them tight and hot imageimageimageimageimageimageimageimageimageimage
    Collecting
    Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
    1967 Topps PSA 8+
    1960's Topps run Mega Set image
    "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
    image
  • ElemenopeoElemenopeo Posts: 2,577 ✭✭


    << <i>I'm just saying that the seller is a scam artist. >>




    Come on, Jeff. Where is the artistry if he tells you exactly what he's going to charge?


  • zef204zef204 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭


    << <i>I honestly can't believe you guys are defending a guy charging $10 shipping for a single card. >>

    OK, Jeff...

    I will not defend this guy. HE is a rip off, scam artist, ahole, whatever you want to call him. BUT, the buyer should pay for the auction as he entered into a legally binding contract to do so. Pay then report him if you like. I would. $10 is rediculous on an auction like this. But, pay him. Contact him first if you like and see if that gets you anywhere, but don't threaten. The terms are clearly stated.

    Crook, yes. But be a smart buyer that won't be taken advantage of. If you need the card that bad, ask before about the shipping and then adjust your bid accordingly.

    In electronics, $25 shipping may be common on a $0.99 bid. But the smart consumer will take that into account and know they are paying $25.99 for X to be purchased and delivered.

    Although shipping in our realm is usually uniform, you should be weary of when it isnn't and take it into acccount when you bid.
    EAMUS CATULI!

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  • commonscommons Posts: 42
    Why is it you guys are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO against high fixed shipping costs even if they are CLEARLY STATED.


    If you are buying a $1000 card Buy it now and the guy charges $10 ship/ins your total is $1,010.


    If you can buy the same card for .01 Buy it now with 979.99 ship/ins your total is $980.

    But with the fees saved the seller nets more AND YOU PAY LESS.

    Why would you have a problem with this?

    Do you feel bad for sticking it to ebay?

    Do you own ebay common shares?


    Both parties (buyer and seller) make out better

    AND ebay still gets their fees from paypal................ so what is the big deal?
  • WizardsguildcardsWizardsguildcards Posts: 536
    Because it makes Ebay on the whole look even worse. If a seller is willing to screw Ebay then that tells you something about his customer service..

    By even questioning this tells us alot about your selling practices and ethics.. What is your Ebay ID so I can put it on my do not buy from list as well as my Blocked bidder list..
  • doncherrydoncherry Posts: 238 ✭


    << <i>$25 Shipping

    I had to pucker up on this one. The card is only PSA 10, there is only one PSA 9. The shipping was 3% of the sales value. The good news is that it came from Canada to St. Louis less than 36 hours after I bought it. 8:30 this morning the FedEx man was here.

    Bottom line I saw the shipping cost, I didn't like it, I wanted the card and it got here fast.

    In this case an $11 card which is readily available and $10 for shipping sucks. >>




    CZAR

    The seller being from Canada would have no choice to force this type of service $25 (FEDEX) to protect himself from a paypal chargeback. There are somewhat slower and cheaper options but this is the cheapest option with a signature
  • theczartheczar Posts: 1,590 ✭✭
    doncherry,

    not whining too much.

    it was a pricey card, i knew the shipping costs and no one likes to pay $25 for one card.

    however it was my choice and it got here very fast so it wasn't like the guy screwed me on shipping. would i rather pay $3 and get it here in 10 days? probably, but that wasn't an option. it was a sellers market, and it was international shipping.

    on frank thomas PSA 9 it is a buyers market and $10 is an outrageuous price.
  • MajorDanbyMajorDanby Posts: 1,343
    as i stated earlier, i knew it was my fault. I did email the seller and his response was basically that the shipping cost was transparent, so you have to pay. end of story.

    My plan is to pay...then report. Anyone here know how to report sellers with exaggerated S&H fees?

    thanks again
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  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Why is it you guys are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO against high fixed shipping costs even if they are CLEARLY STATED.


    If you are buying a $1000 card Buy it now and the guy charges $10 ship/ins your total is $1,010.


    If you can buy the same card for .01 Buy it now with 979.99 ship/ins your total is $980.

    But with the fees saved the seller nets more AND YOU PAY LESS.

    Why would you have a problem with this?

    Do you feel bad for sticking it to ebay?

    Do you own ebay common shares?


    Both parties (buyer and seller) make out better

    AND ebay still gets their fees from paypal................ so what is the big deal? >>



    Interesting entry onto the board. Are you wondering if we condone totally unethical ebay practices? I believe the resounding answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....

    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
  • glmuellerglmueller Posts: 138
    my pee pee hurts.................... You bid on it, YOUR fault!!! Pay for it!
  • commonscommons Posts: 42
    It is great to know that you guys want ebay to make as much $ as possible.....

    I guess that is your business, and your problem when you miss out on an auction because you think it is wrong to bid on an item with High shipping charges clearly stated......

    To each his own
  • commonscommons Posts: 42
    It tells you nothing about the sellers integrity if he is willing to work the ebay system to save his customers money.

    In fact, that is the kinda guy I want to buy from....

    And who are you to say what is inflated shipping and what isn't.


    Lets say you have an investment banker who sells on ebay for fun.....

    He bills his time at $500/hour

    If he has to spend 1 hr shipping something at the post office what is wrong with him charging $500 + actual cost for shipping?



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