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What grade would PCGS give this Iowa Comm.?

Another grade this coin thread got me wondering, what grade do you think PCGS would give this Iowa half? I realize it is difficult from pictures, expecially small file ones like these. The obverse really has only 4 marks on the coin and none of them are distracting (to me); you have to turn the coin around in the light to make them stand out. The reverse is very clean with only one obvious rub to the right of the clouds. I was hoping it would go 65, but my guess would be a solid 64, but what do I know? I'd be surprised if it went lower than that. I've got 64's with significantly more marks on them, but they're Morgans, if that makes any difference.

Also, the coin is brighter in hand.

What say you experts?

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  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    The image grades a 65. Your description grades a 64 at best.


  • << <i>The image grades a 65. Your description grades a 64 at best. >>



    Thank you. I was trying to identify any imperfections at all and keep expectations low. Slider perhaps?
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  • LeianaLeiana Posts: 4,349
    I agree with a 64 grade, if you can please explain the marks on the reverse around the building, because they look a bit like fingerprints to me.

    -Amanda
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  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977


    << <i>, if you can please explain the marks on the reverse around the building, because they look a bit like fingerprints to me. >>

    Those are part of the design. I guess they are clouds. And for education sake, that is the obverse.

    Here is a clearer image:
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  • LeianaLeiana Posts: 4,349


    << <i>

    << <i>, if you can please explain the marks on the reverse around the building, because they look a bit like fingerprints to me. >>

    Those are part of the design. I guess they are clouds. And for education sake, that is the obverse. >>



    Oh. Clouds. image . Obverse. image . *foot in mouth*

    Thanks Mr. Fatman. image

    64!

    -Amanda
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  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    Wouldn't the obverse have the date?
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977


    << <i>Wouldn't the obverse have the date? >>

    Not necessarily with commems. There are several with dates on the reverse. And then there are those that you think have the date on the reverse, like the Oregon Trail, but in truth the wagon that most believe to be the reverse is in truth the obverse. Now, how is that for a clear and concise answer.image
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,364 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WAG 66
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  • coinandcurrency242coinandcurrency242 Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭✭
    MS 64 and on a really good day MS 65

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  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,292 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From the image, I could see it in a 65 holder.
    Nice coin.image
    Larry

  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Iowas were handled very, very well and there's plenty of MS66s around, even MS67s aren't hard to come by, and there's a probably more 68s than any other earlier commem issue, other than maybe Norfolk.
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  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    MS-65.
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  • jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421
    MS64. I had an Iowa that I thought was a lock at a PCGS MS65, maybe a MS66. It came back MS64. You will likely get the same. Iowa has to be near perfect to get the grade you would like.


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    << <i>

    << <i>, if you can please explain the marks on the reverse around the building, because they look a bit like fingerprints to me. >>

    Those are part of the design. I guess they are clouds. And for education sake, that is the obverse. >>



    Oh. Clouds. image . Obverse. image . *foot in mouth*

    Thanks Mr. Fatman. image

    64!

    -Amanda >>



    Have to admit - I assumed that to be the reverse too. Learned something, again.
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  • johnsim03johnsim03 Posts: 992 ✭✭
    Nice Iowa - I would guess 64 for sure also - with a chance at 65.

    John
    John C. Knudsen, LM ANA 2342, LM CSNS 337
    SFC, US Army (Ret.) 1974-1994
  • ResRes Posts: 1,086


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>, if you can please explain the marks on the reverse around the building, because they look a bit like fingerprints to me. >>

    Those are part of the design. I guess they are clouds. And for education sake, that is the obverse. >>



    Oh. Clouds. image . Obverse. image . *foot in mouth*

    Thanks Mr. Fatman. image

    64!

    -Amanda >>



    Have to admit - I assumed that to be the reverse too. Learned something, again. >>



    I think you and Leiana are correct. Here is a link to the Anaconda web site that has a slab pictured. The Eagle is on the front.

    Iowa Commem
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977


    << <i>Have to admit - I assumed that to be the reverse too. Learned something, again.

    I think you and Leiana are correct. Here is a link to the Anaconda web site that has a slab pictured. The Eagle is on the front.

    Iowa Commem >>

    You might do better to do some real numismatic research than to make conclusions based upon how a TPG holders a coin. It is the US Mint that gets to determine the obverse of a coin, not NGC or PCGS. I know many around here believe the TPGs hold such grand powers but that is not the case. This is not the only commem that the TPGs regularly holder with the reverse in the front. Here are some others:

    Oregon Trail - wagon is obverse
    Hudson - Ship is obverse
    Albany - Beaver is obverse
    York - Stockade is obverse

  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a nice 65.
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  • mdwoodsmdwoods Posts: 5,557 ✭✭✭
    At least 65, maybe 66.
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  • RBB617RBB617 Posts: 498 ✭✭
    MS64 due to the description.

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