southerncards, why do you constantly bash PSA, and promote your pro-SGC agenda on these boards?

pandrews · July 21, 2006 8:10AM

and lately youve even been jumping in perfectly good threads, attacking other forum members with your non-sense posts..

why do you do that?

is it just because you are a troll on these message boards?

is it because your SGC message boards only get 1 post per month?

EagleEyeKid · July 21, 2006 8:18AM

I agree. Got tired of the last couple replies with "you guys have it tough" statements. This is coming from someone who doesn't even own any PSA slabs. I own all 3 (BGS, PSA, and SGC) and use all 3 service respectively. This is the only forum that I frequent to always gather new information regarding collecting in general. I hardly post on BGS (I only have 16 posts there), and I gave up on the SGC boards because there isn't anything interesting to talk about over there, but never have I gone to the other side to bash about grading inconsistencies, turnaround times, customer service, etc.

pandrews · July 21, 2006 8:55AM

southerncards, do you even own any PSA graded material?..

pandrews · July 21, 2006 8:56AM

im leaving now, maybe you'll answer eventually.. i'll check back later..

onlyanumber · July 21, 2006 9:19AM

I will say that some cards look real pretty in SGC slabs. Sadly, if I want any value to my cards, I have to crack them out of those pretty slabs and submit them to PSA.

ralstonpurina · July 21, 2006 9:53AM

He has to do something to pump the value of those SGC slabs!!

phreakydancin · July 21, 2006 10:18AM

I have sets registered in both the PSA and SGC registries. All else being equal, I prefer SGC for their consistency and the more attractive holders, but I can't get that worked up about it that I have to jump on an an online forum, slagging a company because they aren't my favourite.

At least most people understand that DBH has tongue firmly planted in cheek when he spouts his pro-PSA rhetoric. Maybe if the SGC forums got more than 3 posts a week, SC wouldn't hang out here, spewing his negativity.

VintageJeff · July 21, 2006 10:43AM

I just don't see the appeal of the sgc holder. I think they suck balls.

BigDaddyBowman · July 21, 2006 11:05AM

I think cards look much better in the black SGC slabs. Especially in the bowman colored issues...the color of the cards really stand out in contrast to the black. I have several of the same card in both sgc and psa slabs, and the SGC graded cards have more eye appeal IMO. As a vintage collector, I prefer SGC. About 50% of my collection is PSA..I have nothing against PSA, but I simply prefer SGC. I don't understand why anyone would have hostility towards a company that they do not prefer to grade their cards...seems ridiculous to me.

EagleEyeKid · July 21, 2006 11:24AM

I don't understand why anyone would have hostility towards a company that they do not prefer to grade their cards...seems ridiculous to me.

I think everyone on these boards or at least most of the board members know and have heard of SGC and even use them. There have been countless threads about the best holders; what issues should be graded with what company (pre-war, post war, etc). I don't think that is what P.A. is talking about here. It's like the crazies at Scientology that block my path down the sidewalk pitching me their crap when I was working out in Hollywood. Or the same telemarketing people that keep calling you repeatedly after you've said no even though you know exactly what they're pitching. "Don't use Kodak for your printers, use our toner brand instead". Most of us here use PSA exclusively....this is a PSA forum and we discuss about PSA slabs. I myself use all 3 (SGC, PSA, BGS) because I like what each specific brand has to offer in its own unique way. I think it just gets tiresome for someone to come in and bash PSA everytime I read something from this person who has nothing to contribute to this forum. We all know DaBigHurt is pro PSA and expresses his love dearly for them and there's nothing wrong with that. He's in the right forum. Imagine putting him on the SGC or BGS boards and having him constantly raving the same thing. Do you think it would bother them?

itzagoner · July 21, 2006 12:15PM

<< I just don't see the appeal of the sgc holder. I think they suck balls. >>

bobbybakeriv · July 21, 2006 3:23PM

is it because your SGC message boards only get 1 post per month?

Perry is right on target. Even worse, that one post is typically bashing PSA due to envy or stupidity...or it could be envious stupidity.

I actually visit their board once in a while to reinforce that I have made the right choice in terms of grading company choice....or, to attain a good laugh.

pandrews · July 21, 2006 4:46PM

fro the record, i ts not so much thaat im agains SGC, but i cant stand southerncrads and his routine is tired,,, and he think s he's funny -- he's not,,

i got all kind cards in holders from places too, eveng gai and becketts,

screw him.

stevek · July 21, 2006 9:59PM

Pandrews is absolutely right. Anyone wanna bash PSA is fine with me...but do it when it makes sense. If PSA f**ks up then they should be called out on it...in the end it will make them a better company to correct any mistakes and makes collecting slabbed cards more enjoyable for all of us.

But attempting to nitpick a company, any company, to death time after time even when it isn't deserved in the least...frankly the poster loses credibility and one has to wonder about some sort of hidden agenda with a poster such as this.

Southerncards · July 22, 2006 10:06AM

<< fro the record, i ts not so much thaat im agains SGC, but i cant stand southerncrads and his routine is tired,,, and he think s he's funny -- he's not,,

i got all kind cards in holders from places too, eveng gai and becketts,

screw him. >>

Another Poet Laureate in the making......

jmbkb4 · July 22, 2006 12:54PM

In vino, veritas.

pandrews · July 22, 2006 2:50PM

<< 

<< fro the record, i ts not so much thaat im agains SGC, but i cant stand southerncrads and his routine is tired,,, and he think s he's funny -- he's not,,

i got all kind cards in holders from places too, eveng gai and becketts,

screw him. >>

Another Poet Laureate in the making...... >>

i was inebriated -- you're still an idiot.

RichG · July 22, 2006 10:04PM

as far as I'm concerned, SGC sucks and because of that fact, I'm happy to say that I don't own a single one!
Rich

chaz43 · July 22, 2006 10:23PM

<< I have sets registered in both the PSA and SGC registries. All else being equal, I prefer SGC for their consistency and the more attractive holders, but I can't get that worked up about it that I have to jump on an an online forum, slagging a company because they aren't my favourite.

At least most people understand that DBH has tongue firmly planted in cheek when he spouts his pro-PSA rhetoric. Maybe if the SGC forums got more than 3 posts a week, SC wouldn't hang out here, spewing his negativity. >>

I am not a homer by any means and many on this board will attest to that but I do not like SGC holders at all. The numbering system on the flip I do not like and I don't like the black boarder insert either. I do not own one SGC holder and do not have any intention of buying any in the near future. chaz

itzagoner · July 22, 2006 11:00PM

<< as far as I'm concerned, SGC sucks and because of that fact, I'm happy to say that I don't own a single one!
Rich >>

SGC holders are shiny

Southerncards · July 22, 2006 11:12PM

<< 
i was inebriated >>

Your parents must be oh so proud...

Axtell · July 23, 2006 12:37AM

southern-

are you going to answer the question, or are you going to be an idiot, as usual?

I think we all know the answer....

koby · July 23, 2006 1:03AM

Southerncard, You are pathetic. I am sure even SGC executives would be embarrassed to see such a mindless zealot speaking on their behalf.

MorrellMan · July 23, 2006 1:06AM

Aside from the 2 quality posts in this thread, here's an archive of Southerncards' most recent thought-provoking posts - and these just in the last few days:

<< I just found a "forgotten" box in my folks basement and it was full of good stuff. All 50's and 60's stars but these were by far the best condition.
I'm happy I still have these. I used to have about 100 55 Bowmans as crisp as these and they were the first cards I sold(raw mind you) on eBay when I started selling in 2000. Some guy bought them without pics and paid less than a buck a card for about 30 of them. >>

wow, must be cool to still be living with your folks.....

Ummm, ok. Where in the italicized area does it say that I lived there?

? >>

It doesn't. I just figured you were in the basement sneaking a peak at the Playboy that you stole from your dad when you found the box.

Geez, SGC never complains about toploaders....
you guys have it rough.

wow zef, that was neat!
maybe next week we can look under Mary Lou's dress at recess.

geez, I've never waited more than 28-30 days for my subs to return from SGC.
I feel bad for you guys.

Southerncards · July 23, 2006 1:28AM

Actually, if you look at the number of times that I post, there's really not alot of "PSA bashing " posts. Those are just the ones that people remember. Many times I reply to other posts that have nothing to do with PSA bashing. The comparisons to DBH are rather funny. There are a few people here who have contacted me privately and those folks "get" my humor. The majority of the rest (not all) seem to be so hell bent on retaliation that they get all worked up. That is pure entertainment. Someone asked if I even own any PSA slabs? The answer is no. I did own one once but that was given to me and I had it cracked out and sent to SGC since my collection is in SGC slabs. Have I seen some nice cards in PSA slabs? Sure. Do I routinely look for them? No. If I go to a show, I generally walk past a dealers table with PSA material unless it is such an ultra rare card that draws my attention. I have stated (in the past) some of my reasons for not using PSA and I'm not going to go into that again.

If you like PSA, that's fine. If you have complaints about your grades received, turnaround times, monthly specials, mylar condoms, holders that are easy to crack, clouded holders, mechanical errors, poor customer service, WIWAG, membership fees, the 314 grader of death, mislabeled holders, SMR, dealers getting preferential treatment, cards they do/dont/did at one time but now dont grade or any of the other numerous things that members complain about, then hold them accountable. One time, I got a sub back from SGC and they had the wrong year on the label. I emailed them, made arrangements to have it fixed, and it was returned in short order for free. I did not get on the message baord and complain to 1000 people about the error. Recently someone posted an SGC slab that had a business card encased in the slab. My exact reply was " I dont really know what to make of it but I cant say that I really care for it either". I didnt defend SGC, I stated my dislike of the practice.

You are the consumer. They have a duty to you to provide you with the service level you are entitled to for your membership fees. If you dont like the service they provide, find another company. PSA, SGC, GAI, BGS et al all have their strong points and weak points. Each company has some type of following. Decide who gives you what you want and go with them. If they do you wrong, change companies. That is and always has been my "agenda".

koby · July 23, 2006 1:40AM

You are not a consumer of PSA products. You do not even own a single PSA card, but yet you come on these forums to advertise about recent SGC sales and new SGC holders.

Take a look at your collection. You really do not have that large of a stake in spouting off some of the things you do. You own a few low grade SGC cards and feel the need to speak on behalf of SGC. That is not humorous. It is pathetic.

stevek · July 23, 2006 1:46AM

<< Actually, if you look at the number of times that I post, there's really not alot of "PSA bashing " posts. Those are just the ones that people remember. Many times I reply to other posts that have nothing to do with PSA bashing. The comparisons to DBH are rather funny. There are a few people here who have contacted me privately and those folks "get" my humor. The majority of the rest (not all) seem to be so hell bent on retaliation that they get all worked up. That is pure entertainment. Someone asked if I even own any PSA slabs? The answer is no. I did own one once but that was given to me and I had it cracked out and sent to SGC since my collection is in SGC slabs. Have I seen some nice cards in PSA slabs? Sure. Do I routinely look for them? No. If I go to a show, I generally walk past a dealers table with PSA material unless it is such an ultra rare card that draws my attention. I have stated (in the past) some of my reasons for not using PSA and I'm not going to go into that again.

If you like PSA, that's fine. If you have complaints about your grades received, turnaround times, monthly specials, mylar condoms, holders that are easy to crack, clouded holders, mechanical errors, poor customer service, WIWAG, membership fees, the 314 grader of death, mislabeled holders, SMR, dealers getting preferential treatment, cards they do/dont/did at one time but now dont grade or any of the other numerous things that members complain about, then hold them accountable. One time, I got a sub back from SGC and they had the wrong year on the label. I emailed them, made arrangements to have it fixed, and it was returned in short order for free. I did not get on the message baord and complain to 1000 people about the error. Recently someone posted an SGC slab that had a business card encased in the slab. My exact reply was " I dont really know what to make of it but I cant say that I really care for it either". I didnt defend SGC, I stated my dislike of the practice.

You are the consumer. They have a duty to you to provide you with the service level you are entitled to for your membership fees. If you dont like the service they provide, find another company. PSA, SGC, GAI, BGS et al all have their strong points and weak points. Each company has some type of following. Decide who gives you what you want and go with them. If they do you wrong, change companies. That is and always has been my "agenda". >>

My previous point: "But attempting to nitpick a company, any company, to death time after time even when it isn't deserved in the least...frankly the poster loses credibility and one has to wonder about some sort of hidden agenda with a poster such as this."

You made my point for me.

Southerncards · July 23, 2006 1:51AM

<< You are not a consumer of PSA products. (I never claimed to be)

You do not even own a single PSA card,(I've already said that) but yet you come on these forums to advertise about recent SGC sales (I dont recall ever quoting documented sales, I could be wrong but I dont remember doing that) .

and new SGC holders (yep, did that. This is a sports card and memorabilia forum, and I was discussing a topic germain to that genre).

Take a look at your collection. You really do not have that large of a stake (define large?) in spouting off some of the things you do. You own a few low grade SGC cards (really?, you've come to my house and looked over my collection? or are you merely making statements based on some cards that I've posted on the SGC set registry?)

and feel the need to speak on behalf of SGC. (actually, I'm speaking on behalf of the consumer/collector but obviously you dont get that) >>

MorrellMan · July 23, 2006 1:54AM

"Actually" I did look at ALL your posts - roughly half are PSA bashes; the other half are mostly either attempts at humor or posts about something you want.

stevek · July 23, 2006 1:58AM

<<< and new SGC holders (yep, did that. This is a sports card and memorabilia forum, and I was discussing a topic germain to that genre). >>>

We do not discuss German sports cards here.

Southerncards · July 23, 2006 2:03AM

[qWe do not discuss German sports cards here. >>

good one stevek, although some of the German female athletes I've seen could be fodder for another steroids discourse

stevek · July 23, 2006 2:13AM

<< [qWe do not discuss German sports cards here. >>

good one stevek, although some of the German female athletes I've seen could be fodder for another steroids discourse >>

Wouldn't mind some Sharapova sports cards. Strictly so I can view her tennis stats of course.

koby · July 23, 2006 2:17AM

Here is what you typed not long ago:

<< Monday May 22, 2006 1:48 AM

Its funny that whenever anyone else posts something pro SGC, they don't get criticized the way I do.

and no, I dont get a commission for each time I post "SGC". (Although it does give me a warm fuzzy to read some anti-PSA comment from a PSA member that I am able to reply to with something wonderful that SGC does)
>>

If mistakes by a grading company brings a police officer such glee, I would think that police officer has a skewed set of priorities.

When DaBigHurt posts his comments, it is obvious that most of what he says is tongue in cheek. On the other hand, it does seem that you are serious when you post similar garbage and that is what is so sad.

Why so much loyalty to a company that grades baseball cards? You are not honest when you say that you contribute many posts about other topics; the vast majority of your posts are are simply digs at PSA and then defending yourself when you get called on it.

Southerncards · July 23, 2006 2:43AM

<< Wouldn't mind some Sharapova sports cards. Strictly so I can view her tennis stats of course. >>

stevek - I've got some "interesting" tennis player pics. Not sure if its Sharapova but the lady is very pretty and the photos are great! If you want them, pm me your email and I'll forward them along.

Southerncards · July 23, 2006 2:48AM

koby - I kind of expect you to take up the cause since you are known as being as pro PSA as I am SGC. Believe it or not, I do post quite a bit on other topics. Whether you choose to see that is up to you. What my job or perceived skewed sense of priorities have to do with sports cards, grading or whatever, I fail to see the connection.

koby · July 23, 2006 2:56AM

The difference is that this is a CU forum. We are guests and you are spitting in the face of the host.

I guess I hold cops to a higher standard and do not like them pushing a grading companies' agenda as a "cause". There are probably more worthy causes out there.

jackstraw · July 23, 2006 2:56AM

I may be the only one that doesn't think SGC's customer service is all that great.
I called on day 17 of a 35 card order(1976 Topps Baseball) and the kid that answered gave me a bunch of junk about calling 3 days before they were due? Save the you get what you pay for posts!
I posted a message on their board about a 7 card order (1976 Topps Baseball) and it was day 19 or something and the president of their company called me out on their board about whinning and I get what I pay for and to basically shut up.
I have had SGC cards that look like they a wedged into the holder,hooked looking edges of the insert,fragments of black things floating around,misspelled last names and labels that look like I did them up in my basement? I have nothing personal with SGC and actually like some of my cards in their holders but they are far from perfect and if you for one minute think that BMW and crashtestalex haven't got favorable grades in the past you are sleeping at the wheel!
I do recall a certain rare Doyle card that SGC graded and it wasn't authentic? Maybe someone can refresh our memories about that one?
Save the "that was during the Merkel ERA and it is no longer an issue" posts because the Wagner and WIWAG were during the Rocchi/Baker ERA so then they should not be an issue anymore either!

Southerncards · July 23, 2006 3:06AM

koby - I fail to see what my job and my choice of grading companies have in common. When I post a more "law enforcement oriented" comment about the illegal drug promotion on these boards that are often frequented by minors, I am often chastised for that too.

jackstraw - I'm sorry that you were treated that way and that you feel you were wronged. Again, if you feel that the service was not up to par, you have every right to complain to them and get satisfaction.

Griffins · July 23, 2006 3:16AM

Merkel's Boner

pandrews · July 23, 2006 3:36AM

like i said (or tried to say when i was drunk), i own many cards in holders from all the big companies.. although ive never submitted cards to any company other than PSA.. so i cant comment on the customer service of another company..

there is little doubt that PSA grades more cards on a daily basis that SGC (i guess i could be wrong, i dont know).. and there is absolutely zero doubt that this message board is much more active than the SGC message boards.. and that means there will be more criticism seen towards ANY company on this message board, in particular PSA.. anyway, no need for another PSA-vs-SGC thread, i think thats been done a million times..

generally, the people who criticize PSA here are PSA CUSTOMERS (except southerncards, who has owned 1 psa card in his life).. and absolutely i believe a CUSTOMER has more right to complain about a company than someone that has no experience with them.. i'm pretty sure even DaBigHurt owns PSA cards.. (and yes, he annoys me sometimes too -- but he's also funnier than southerncards)..

are there things PSA customers would like to see PSA do differently? Absolutely. That's why most of the critical threads are started by PSA customers..

[waiting on DBH to come explain the features & benefits of PSA membership]

MorrellMan · July 23, 2006 3:39AM

<< When I post a more "law enforcement oriented" comment about the illegal drug promotion on these boards >>

Okay - this is news to me. Come on, now, who's holding here?

fur72 · July 23, 2006 3:39AM

I bash PSA sometimes but I think is more out of frustration. Updating SMR and the POP report, waiting long a long time for a sub to return. But all in all its not a dislike. PSA is the premier grader of cards and I want my cards graded by the best.

Southerncards · July 23, 2006 3:41AM

pandrews - that was a very intelligent post, thank you.

I do believe however that I am funnier than DBH but I guess thats a matter of opinion.

HoofHearted · July 23, 2006 3:52AM

<< ..these boards that are often frequented by minors... >>

Hmmm. I'd be curious to hear how many minors (under 18 yoa?) frequent these boards.

If you're under 18 and reading this board, please acknowledge yourself. It'd be nice to know the kind of audience we do have here. If there are (m)any of that age range, perhaps we could provide some kind of special question/answer thread for them.

In fact, I could create a separate thread to poll the age range of this readership.

Think I will...

Southerncards · July 23, 2006 4:01AM

Hoof - I think that's a good idea. Thank you for that undertaking.

MorrellMan · July 23, 2006 4:26AM

<< If you're under 18 and reading this board, please acknowledge yourself. It'd be nice to know the kind of audience we do have here. If there are (m)any of that age range, perhaps we could provide some kind of special question/answer thread for them. >>

This must be devil's advocate day for me, but I don't agree with the patronizing tone. Right off the bat, I know of at least 2 teenage collectors who know more about vintage cards than I suspect I ever will.

Southerncards · July 23, 2006 4:51AM

I dont see it as patronizing at all. What makes you think so?

koby · July 23, 2006 4:54AM

Nice sarcasm Southerncards.

Provide a special question/answer for them? Why can't they coexist here with the rest of the PSA users and yourself?

Southerncards · July 23, 2006 5:10AM

koby - there was no sarcasm involved. I was being serious. If you see something patronizing please point it out as I dont see it.

As far as the q&a, everyone can co-exist here just fine. I do think that a q & a area for younger inexperienced collectors is a nice idea.

MorrellMan · July 23, 2006 6:38AM

<< I dont see it as patronizing at all. What makes you think so?..... I do think that a q & a area for younger inexperienced collectors is a nice idea. >>

You've answered your own question.

Southerncards · July 23, 2006 7:15AM

Morrell - I still fail to see your point. If someone mentored me in the finer points of collecting when I was a kid, I still might have some of the quality vintage that I sold for pennies on the dollar.

southerncards, why do you constantly bash PSA, and promote your pro-SGC agenda on these boards?

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