<< <i> So, what do you have to say to that, softy? >>
i say Eli played almost EVERY down LEADING them to the playoffs. Even the heaviest dose of Axtell SPIN can't turn Simms into a better QB then Eli. You can do better than THAt boy!
<< <i>perkdog - don't bet with axtell, he backs down >>
hmmmm, looks like the Yankees are beating the M's in team ERA at this point. I would hope axy waxy does not run and hide from our BET this past spring.
<< <i> So, what do you have to say to that, softy? >>
i say Eli played almost EVERY down LEADING them to the playoffs. Even the heaviest dose of Axtell SPIN can't turn Simms into a better QB then Eli. You can do better than THAt boy! >>
Look, sparky, you are the one who said the Bucs won in spite of Simms, while I have shown with unbiased FACTS that Eli had WORSE numbers than Simms.
Quit spinning and answer the question, or shut your yap.
I'm sorry gimpy, you can't say "Finally, stats mean exactly DICK in the NFL. Please tell me how many super bowl rings Manning has with his ungodly numbers? What about Marino? What's more important, a 7-4 record or a TD/INT ratio?"
and then TURN ON A DIME on the same page of the same thread and USE STATS in your arguement
oh boy, your head is spinning round and round and round
YOU used stats a way to attempt to say that Simms isn't a worthy QB (and that the Ravens won in spite of Dilfer). I simply took the stats that were discussed and YOUR argument as a way to show your QB is the same exact player.
I used STATS? No, I made a reference to a STAT you used. A 7-4 record. Ohhhh whoppie dooooo Then, you proceded to use almost every stat in the stat book to try and make your point just a FEW posts after saying this
" Finally, stats mean exactly DICK in the NFL. Please tell me how many super bowl rings Manning has with his ungodly numbers? What about Marino? What's more important, a 7-4 record or a TD/INT ratio?"
Ax, you are a boxer staggering around and around the ring trying to find his corner
I said stats mean very little in the grand scheme of things...you went on to say that teams won in spite of their quarterbacks, and started rambling on and on about numbers. I put you in your place by showing you that the Giants won 'in spite' of Eli, just like you claimed the Bucs did with Simms.
I said stats mean very little in the grand scheme of things...you went on to say that teams won in spite of their quarterbacks, and started rambling on and on about numbers. I put you in your place by showing you that the Giants won 'in spite' of Eli, just like you claimed the Bucs did with Simms. >>
huh?
Again this is what YOU said.
<< <i>Finally, stats mean exactly DICK in the NFL. Please tell me how many super bowl rings Manning has with his ungodly numbers? What about Marino? What's more important, a 7-4 record or a TD/INT ratio? >>
and THEN you did a 180 and said
<< <i> I would think 11-5 and a division title for a team that many picked to finish under .500 to be a great success.
You want to talk about winning in spite of a QB, you need to only look at your own team, and see Eli's 75.9 qb rating, and 17 int's to 24 tds, and a pass completion percentage of 52.8%!
Simms had a better rating (81), better completion percentage (61), and comparable TD/INT ratio. >>
What was that about rambling on about numbers ........... AFTER you said they don't mean "DICK"
your tiny little brain can't comprehend what I've said, so I'll go slow.
Numbers for an NFL QB have little bearing on a team's success. Just look at Marino or Payton...fantastic passers, postseason, eh not so much. Brady's not known for huge numbers, yet he has three super bowl rings.
You wanted to throw Simms under the bus, saying the Bucs won in spite of him. So, to show you how stupid that assertion is, I put up stats as a means of comparing players, not to show their importance.
I compared two players with their stats, to pose a question: If the bucs, with their 11-5 record won 'in spite' of Simms, did the Giants win 'in spite' of Eli? I used their stats to compare them to EACH OTHER, not debate they are great.
<< <i> your tiny little brain can't comprehend what I've said, so I'll go slow.
Numbers for an NFL QB have little bearing on a team's success. Just look at Marino or Payton...fantastic passers, postseason, eh not so much. Brady's not known for huge numbers, yet he has three super bowl rings.
>>
No, THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID
<< <i> Finally, stats mean exactly DICK in the NFL >>
THEN you used these dickful stats here
<< <i> I would think 11-5 and a division title for a team that many picked to finish under .500 to be a great success.
You want to talk about winning in spite of a QB, you need to only look at your own team, and see Eli's 75.9 qb rating, and 17 int's to 24 tds, and a pass completion percentage of 52.8%!
Simms had a better rating (81), better completion percentage (61), and comparable TD/INT ratio. >>
So which is it? You used STATS to back up Simms and then you used STATS to tear down Manning ..... all after you said stats don't mean DICK .
YOU bashed Simms...I didn't even mention Eli until it came time to prove to you how ridiculous your bashing of Simms was. I showed you Simms' superior completion % and passer rating, and asked you to say if the Bucs won in spite of Simms, did the Giants win in spite of Eli.
Now, can you answer that question, or are you going to yap like a stray dog all night?
I'm still waiting for you to show me where I "rambled on and on about numbers" like you did .... AFTER saying they mean "DICK"
ALl I did was critisize Simms as not being a good quaterback. No numbers used. YOU then did a 180 and used all kinds of numbers to make a comparison with Eli. Why would you do that? Numbers mean "DICK" right?
Ok softy I will take your non answer as a sign of either not knowing what the hell you're talking about, or that you admit Simms had a better year than Eli.
HA! And you called ME out for using a Rome phrase?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
PS - Stop saying Simms went 11-5 when he only went 7-4. That means the other QBs went 4-1, which is significantly better (if you understand basic math)
PPS - He still hasn't won anything, ever, period, in college or the pros
PPPS - Anytime Simms had the opportunity to win the big game, he has choked, period.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Oh and PPPPS - Please note that it was axtell who originally brought up Eli.
Staying on topic, Simms has yet to produce, ever, when the game had significant importance. If I'm mistaken, please feel free to show me the error of my ways. Until then, he has never, ever won a big game, period.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Ok ax I will take your non answer as a sign of either not knowing what the hell you're talking about, or that you admit Simms can't win the big one.
SQWAAAAAAAAAACK!
I'm out.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>Ok softy I will take your non answer as a sign of either not knowing what the hell you're talking about, or that you admit Simms had a better year than Eli.
I'm out. >>
Let me use a classic Axtell whine.
Oh! forgive me from LEAVING the computer screen for a few hours to sleep
Eli had a better year then Simms. Don't come back at me with STATS Ax. You said they don't mean DICK.
ax stop PMing me. I would post it for everyone to see how much of a 180 you just did, but I don't want to get bammed.
If you haven't noticed, I have not responded to your last 3 PMs. If you have anything to say to me, post it here.
Just because you get owned time and time again, you don't need to resort to name calling. It shows that you have nothing of substance to back up your assertions.
Still waiting for you to dispute anything I have said about Simms.
He is an overrated player who accomplished nothing in college nor in the pros. He has, however, always thrown an INT, fumble, and/or sacked during key series of big games.
I originally stated, "What has Simms ever done other than being the son of a HOF qb?
And I mean other than throwing an INT or getting sacked during a huge series."
You responded, "Oh I don't know, maybe leading a team to an 11-5 record and winning the division?
or did you forget that fact?"
We all know that you were wrong on your two points. (1) Simms only played 11 games (starting 10) and went 7-4 and (2) he hasn't led them to anything. Again, using your logic, Trent Dilfer led the Ravens to a Super Bowl victory.
As I said earlier, how dare you call anyone a blind Homer. Pot meet kettle.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>Simms, who played college football at the University of Texas at Austin, was heavily criticized for putting up big numbers against average and weak teams, but folding in big games and throwing interceptions, most notably against Oklahoma whom Simms finished 0-3 against. In the 2001 contest, he tossed four interceptions in a 14-3 loss. He also had a poor performance against Colorado in the 2001 Big 12 conference championship game where he fumbled and threw four interceptions, the last being returned for a touchdown— all before the close of the first half.[1] He was benched and Major Applewhite replaced him. Had Texas won, they would have played in the Rose Bowl for the national championship. >>
Still waiting for any proof that Chrissy led his team last year and/or has ever accomplished anything of substance in college or pro.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
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<< <i> So, what do you have to say to that, softy? >>
i say Eli played almost EVERY down LEADING them to the playoffs. Even the heaviest dose of Axtell SPIN can't turn Simms into a better QB then Eli. You can do better than THAt boy!
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<< <i>perkdog - don't bet with axtell, he backs down >>
hmmmm, looks like the Yankees are beating the M's in team ERA at this point. I would hope axy waxy does not run and hide from our BET this past spring.
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<< <i> So, what do you have to say to that, softy? >>
i say Eli played almost EVERY down LEADING them to the playoffs. Even the heaviest dose of Axtell SPIN can't turn Simms into a better QB then Eli. You can do better than THAt boy! >>
Look, sparky, you are the one who said the Bucs won in spite of Simms, while I have shown with unbiased FACTS that Eli had WORSE numbers than Simms.
Quit spinning and answer the question, or shut your yap.
and then TURN ON A DIME on the same page of the same thread and USE STATS in your arguement
oh boy, your head is spinning round and round and round
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I know, I know, it DEPENDS on how it fits into the arguement of the moment huh?
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YOU used stats a way to attempt to say that Simms isn't a worthy QB (and that the Ravens won in spite of Dilfer). I simply took the stats that were discussed and YOUR argument as a way to show your QB is the same exact player.
Dope.
"
Finally, stats mean exactly DICK in the NFL. Please tell me how many super bowl rings Manning has with his ungodly numbers? What about Marino? What's more important, a 7-4 record or a TD/INT ratio?"
Ax, you are a boxer staggering around and around the ring trying to find his corner
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DO stats mean DICK or do STATS mean everything
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I said stats mean very little in the grand scheme of things...you went on to say that teams won in spite of their quarterbacks, and started rambling on and on about numbers. I put you in your place by showing you that the Giants won 'in spite' of Eli, just like you claimed the Bucs did with Simms.
<< <i>softy-
I said stats mean very little in the grand scheme of things...you went on to say that teams won in spite of their quarterbacks, and started rambling on and on about numbers. I put you in your place by showing you that the Giants won 'in spite' of Eli, just like you claimed the Bucs did with Simms. >>
huh?
Again this is what YOU said.
<< <i>Finally, stats mean exactly DICK in the NFL. Please tell me how many super bowl rings Manning has with his ungodly numbers? What about Marino? What's more important, a 7-4 record or a TD/INT ratio? >>
and THEN you did a 180 and said
<< <i>
I would think 11-5 and a division title for a team that many picked to finish under .500 to be a great success.
You want to talk about winning in spite of a QB, you need to only look at your own team, and see Eli's 75.9 qb rating, and 17 int's to 24 tds, and a pass completion percentage of 52.8%!
Simms had a better rating (81), better completion percentage (61), and comparable TD/INT ratio. >>
What was that about rambling on about numbers ........... AFTER you said they don't mean "DICK"
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your tiny little brain can't comprehend what I've said, so I'll go slow.
Numbers for an NFL QB have little bearing on a team's success. Just look at Marino or Payton...fantastic passers, postseason, eh not so much. Brady's not known for huge numbers, yet he has three super bowl rings.
You wanted to throw Simms under the bus, saying the Bucs won in spite of him. So, to show you how stupid that assertion is, I put up stats as a means of comparing players, not to show their importance.
I compared two players with their stats, to pose a question: If the bucs, with their 11-5 record won 'in spite' of Simms, did the Giants win 'in spite' of Eli? I used their stats to compare them to EACH OTHER, not debate they are great.
<< <i>
your tiny little brain can't comprehend what I've said, so I'll go slow.
Numbers for an NFL QB have little bearing on a team's success. Just look at Marino or Payton...fantastic passers, postseason, eh not so much. Brady's not known for huge numbers, yet he has three super bowl rings.
>>
No, THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID
<< <i> Finally, stats mean exactly DICK in the NFL >>
THEN you used these dickful stats here
<< <i> I would think 11-5 and a division title for a team that many picked to finish under .500 to be a great success.
You want to talk about winning in spite of a QB, you need to only look at your own team, and see Eli's 75.9 qb rating, and 17 int's to 24 tds, and a pass completion percentage of 52.8%!
Simms had a better rating (81), better completion percentage (61), and comparable TD/INT ratio. >>
So which is it? You used STATS to back up Simms and then you used STATS to tear down Manning ..... all after you said stats don't mean DICK .
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YOU bashed Simms...I didn't even mention Eli until it came time to prove to you how ridiculous your bashing of Simms was. I showed you Simms' superior completion % and passer rating, and asked you to say if the Bucs won in spite of Simms, did the Giants win in spite of Eli.
Now, can you answer that question, or are you going to yap like a stray dog all night?
ALl I did was critisize Simms as not being a good quaterback. No numbers used. YOU then did a 180 and used all kinds of numbers to make a comparison with Eli. Why would you do that? Numbers mean "DICK" right?
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please answer the question...didn't you say that the Bucs won in spite of Simms?
I'm out.
<< <i>I'm out. >>
HA! And you called ME out for using a Rome phrase?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
PS - Stop saying Simms went 11-5 when he only went 7-4. That means the other QBs went 4-1, which is significantly better (if you understand basic math)
PPS - He still hasn't won anything, ever, period, in college or the pros
PPPS - Anytime Simms had the opportunity to win the big game, he has choked, period.
Staying on topic, Simms has yet to produce, ever, when the game had significant importance. If I'm mistaken, please feel free to show me the error of my ways. Until then, he has never, ever won a big game, period.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
SQWAAAAAAAAAACK!
I'm out.
<< <i>Ok softy I will take your non answer as a sign of either not knowing what the hell you're talking about, or that you admit Simms had a better year than Eli.
I'm out. >>
Let me use a classic Axtell whine.
Oh! forgive me from LEAVING the computer screen for a few hours to sleep
Eli had a better year then Simms. Don't come back at me with STATS Ax. You said they don't mean DICK.
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If you haven't noticed, I have not responded to your last 3 PMs. If you have anything to say to me, post it here.
Just because you get owned time and time again, you don't need to resort to name calling. It shows that you have nothing of substance to back up your assertions.
Still waiting for you to dispute anything I have said about Simms.
He is an overrated player who accomplished nothing in college nor in the pros. He has, however, always thrown an INT, fumble, and/or sacked during key series of big games.
I originally stated, "What has Simms ever done other than being the son of a HOF qb?
And I mean other than throwing an INT or getting sacked during a huge series."
You responded, "Oh I don't know, maybe leading a team to an 11-5 record and winning the division?
or did you forget that fact?"
We all know that you were wrong on your two points. (1) Simms only played 11 games (starting 10) and went 7-4 and (2) he hasn't led them to anything. Again, using your logic, Trent Dilfer led the Ravens to a Super Bowl victory.
As I said earlier, how dare you call anyone a blind Homer. Pot meet kettle.
<< <i>Simms, who played college football at the University of Texas at Austin, was heavily criticized for putting up big numbers against average and weak teams, but folding in big games and throwing interceptions, most notably against Oklahoma whom Simms finished 0-3 against. In the 2001 contest, he tossed four interceptions in a 14-3 loss. He also had a poor performance against Colorado in the 2001 Big 12 conference championship game where he fumbled and threw four interceptions, the last being returned for a touchdown— all before the close of the first half.[1] He was benched and Major Applewhite replaced him. Had Texas won, they would have played in the Rose Bowl for the national championship. >>
Still waiting for any proof that Chrissy led his team last year and/or has ever accomplished anything of substance in college or pro.