A group purchase

incugator

I am trying to work with a few reputable collectors to make a huge e-bay purchase. The item # is 8818010402. If you are interested in purchasing a group of these cards, let me know. The lot has every Mantle, Goudey's, T206's, and many more. The biggest problem with lots like this is that only the huge companies can afford lots like this. The beauty of the internet is that private collectors can group up together the get the cards they want/need at a discounted price and a private seller can sell their cards at a fair price in comparison of what a buyer would give them. I will do backround checks on the seller and call him before any purchase is made. All sales with go through ebay and/or paypal. Leave a post, sent me a private message or e-mail me at incugator@hotmail.com if you have any interest, questions, or concerns. Thanks a lot.

-Ryan

iamthegreatcornholio

your name is -Ryan

the seller's name is -Ryan-



The first picture I see is a bunch of worthless reprints

incugator

I agree the listing is poor. The first page is all reprints. The rest of the pictures are authentic graded cards. It is rather coincidental that the sellers name is Ryan, but I do not live in Glendora, CA.

Wizardsguildcards

Why are there so many red flags I see around this listing.


Most of the cards I see listed in the description are cards the seller has purchased recently. He does not say anything about condition on the ungraded ones.

iamthegreatcornholio

<< <i>I agree the listing is poor. The first page is all reprints. The rest of the pictures are authentic graded cards. It is rather coincidental that the sellers name is Ryan, but I do not live in Glendora, CA. >>





The item was listed for whooping 74 minutes on eBay before you made your post.

* Typo - I meant 74 minutes.

Wizardsguildcards

Also interesting that both use hotmail..

ctsoxfan

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<< <i>I agree the listing is poor. The first page is all reprints. The rest of the pictures are authentic graded cards. It is rather coincidental that the sellers name is Ryan, but I do not live in Glendora, CA. >>





The item was listed for whooping 44 minutes on eBay before you made your post. >>



I'd be curious to hear how you came up with this "group purchase" concept in the 44 minute window - wouldn't it just be easier to shill your own auctions?

Wizardsguildcards

I'd be curious to hear how you came up with this "group purchase" concept in the 44 minute window - wouldn't it just be easier to shill your own auctions?

Makes you wonder

Boopotts

<< <i>I'd be curious to hear how you came up with this "group purchase" concept in the 44 minute window - wouldn't it just be easier to shill your own auctions?

Makes you wonder >>



Now the only question is: What's the O/U on the length of time before this lame little scam of an auction gets shut down?

Stone193

Wizardsguildcards

Why does the flip on the 1953 Mantle look like it says 196X, I magnified it and cleared it up and it still looks like 196X??

Why would the seller show the reprint set first I think I would either show the 53 alone or the group photo of the Mantles.

There is another one that looks alot like the card is sitting on top of the hold in a way that it looks like it is in the holder, but it just does not match up right IMHO.

incugator

Okay, give me a chance to explain. I searched newly listed cards, this item was at the top because the seller (who's name happens to be Ryan (which is a quite common name) I saw the deal and I was very interested but I can't front 20k all alone. I figured I post an idea on this message board since there are lots of buyers looking for vintage cards. Davie, FL is a suburb of the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area. IF you are interested please let me know. Please don't bash this offer because I'll never have a chance at getting anything done if you guys keep filling this post up with propaganda. Everything will be done to give the buyer/seller protection. NO COD's (I've been ripped off by 'Robert Stewart' in the past and if we reach a tenative agree I will give you my phone number and talk to you on the phone before the purchase is made. I have legitimate voicemail and usually pick up my phone.

iamthegreatcornholio

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<< <i>I'd be curious to hear how you came up with this "group purchase" concept in the 44 minute window - wouldn't it just be easier to shill your own auctions?

Makes you wonder >>



Now the only question is: What's the O/U on the length of time before this lame little scam of an auction gets shut down? >>



Well if you look at his bidding link, you'll see he did buy many of the t206's recently including the psa 1 cobb.

Wizardsguildcards

Please don't bash this offer because I'll never have a chance at getting anything done if you guys keep filling this post up with propaganda

Why would you even want to complete this deal?? It is an obvious scam...

This seller has no selling history, there are dozens of little red flags even the 10% to charity is a flag to me. Why would anybody list a listing like this and make the prmary photo a set that is not even included in the deal. Notice he has most of the cert numbers, but you cannot read any of them in the pics.

ctsoxfan

Okay, I'll play along.

You mean to tell me that this is such a once in a lifetime lot that you decided (in 44 minutes or less) to go on the internet, sign up as a new member on the CU forums, and solicit thousands of dollars from complete strangers? Only because that would be the only way to ever get a bargain in the world of sports cards on Ebay?

C'mon man. This is not the right forum to pull this nonsense on. Try Beckett.

incugator

This is what I sent the seller.
Okay, first of all, there are lots of 'red flags' indicating that this is a scam. Although my account is in FL, I am currently living is AZ. Would it be possible for me or a friend to pick up these cards rather than have them shipped? Second of all, the PSA #'s on your cards are very difficult to read indicating that they may be fakes. Third of all, I will only make this purchase through e-bay not through any other way. Finally, I need a phone number where I can reach you and keep in contact with you along with some sort of varification of character, whether it be multiple friend's contact or family contacts. I know this may sound extreme but a $20,000 purchase is a big deal. Please get back with me ASAP. Hope to hear from you soon.

-Ryan

I figure if all of this checks out, he is a legitimate seller, now to the original question. If this auction is Authentic, would anybody be interested in purchasing any of the cards in this lot? Thank you for your time.

Wizardsguildcards

The OP may be telling the truth, if that other ID is his. However I would defintly not even consider this listing as being legit.

incugator

I swear that I am telling the truth. I appreciate your concern for this being an illegitimate lot. I will make every check possible to confirm the authenticity of this lot. My main questions is if anybody would be interested in reserving these cards so once I purchase this lot, I can recoup some of my money. I'm not asking you to front any money. I am not asking you to send me a blank check. I am simply asking if anybody is interested in purchasing these cards as individual cards once I get this lot.

Wizardsguildcards

figure if all of this checks out, he is a legitimate seller, now to the original question.

If it is a well thought out scam even those may not be enough. He may not accept a pick up. I will not for safety reasons especially when dealing with that amount of high dollar cards. You could just be going to knock him in the head and take them for all he may know.

incugator

I have never thought about that. I guess he could pose the same threat to me if I walked to his front door with a $20,000 payment to his name. Well, how is the safest and most cost effective way to make a purchase like this.

Wizardsguildcards

YOu got to look at it from this groups view. You have only a few posts here, you are asking people if they want to enter into a business deal involving an item that has all the red flags on it.

The ID you gave is registered in Florida, but you are currently in AZ within driving distance of the seller here. You are throwing up alot of red flags yourself.

ctsoxfan

<< <i>I have never thought about that. I guess he could pose the same threat to me if I walked to his front door with a $20,000 payment to his name. Well, how is the safest and most cost effective way to make a purchase like this. >>



Perhaps by not involving a bunch of people you do not know.

Wizardsguildcards

Safest way to make this purchase is through your Credit Card and not through Paypal. He is not very bright even offering Paypal as an option on this item. If it is legit he is opening the door to get taken hard.

You could also offer to meet with him at a police station, but that might raise some eyebrows there too with that amount of money changing hands.

incugator

A police station? I'm guess that was a sarcastic comment. I would like to thank you guys for completely destroying any possibility that I may have in making this go through with some potential new buyers. I will try some of the other group buyers that I have used in the past. I realize that you guys may have a negative view of me at this point since I am new to this message board, and I would rather not have this lot that not be able to do business with people on this board. If you seriously have questions about my integrity and honesty, feel free to contact other EBAYERS that I have done business with in the past such as AAF8, David Slomer, or BuysGreat. Hopefully, some of them will be a little more optimistic about this purchase. IF anybody has a more optimistic view about this post feel free to keep posting, send me a private message, or e-mail me at incugator@hotmail.com. I'm pretty conifident that the number of negative posts will descourage nearly every possible interested person away from this point. Sorry for the inconvience.

thedpro

Ryan - While I am not sure of your sincerity of this group purchase, I did notice the name Robert Stewart in one of your posts. I fell for one of his scams as well, and made it a mission to make sure he was brought to justice. He is now in a San Diego prision. Just thought you might like to know this.

incugator

I am well aware of this. I helped the SD police department by provided them with fedex stubs and information. They also apprehended one of his partners in crime Garth Feldman. THat still doesn't bring back any of my $2,100. Are you aware of any civil case that may be upheld against him. For 2100 it may be worth me driving to SD from AZ.

Wizardsguildcards

Ryan- you have to admit you did not help instill any confidence. Look at it from others point of view.

That was not sarcasm about the police station. The 2 occasions I have done pick up have been at police stations.

Stone193

<< <i>I will try some of the other group buyers that I have used in the past >>


Ryan
If you have had successful purchases in the past with another group - why didn't you approach them first?

You are new here and know little about the participants. But this place is a lightning rod for rooting out scams on ebay and most group lots stink to all get out.

I'm not saying you or this particular auction are not legit but you have approached a group that has seen it all and discussed this kind of stuff - more in a few months - than local collectors do in a life-time.

I think you're kind of pissing up a rope on this one - 20K lots are very intriguing.

IMO, I have a better chance of scoring a hooker on Alamo St. than finding a gem in a pile of cards in a large lot on ebay.

But, I do wish you all the best and don't let the incredulous rhetoric get you down. Just try to see it from our POV - seems kind of risky at best.

mike

edit: Link to auction.

incugator

I already have a person that's in on the lot AAF8. We've been successful in the past with e-bay lots but at times it become difficult to get things moving. A few weeks ago we missed out on a 1933 GOudey Complete set that included a PSA 4 LaJoie. It was listed at 38,500 and I had him down to 35,000 including shipping. and he was gonna pull the auction, but at the last second somebody pulled out of the auction and we lost it for 38,500 plus shipping. The Lajoie alone would've sold for 15-20k. THat means that I would've gotten a PSA 5 set (average) for 15-20k. I swore I'd never let a deal like that get away again. That is why I joined this message board. I have had success in buying large lots and reselling them (with the exception of Robert Stewart) You guys operate very tightly on this board. My view on cards is like the stock market. IF you take high risks, you face the posibility in getting burned, but if you limit the risk by doing your research and getting multiple buyers, you can make much larger profits, but no matter how much investingating you do, occassionally, you're gonna get burned, but in the long run, you'll end up at the head of the pack. I see your view, I understand your view. I just assumed there would be a little more optimism from the group.

brianwintersfan

Well the fact that we don't know you and that the auction you want us to throw in our hard earned money on smells like a week old fish is why we don't welcome you with open arms. If it walks like a scam and talks like a scam it's probably a scam!
Good luck with your treasure!

Stone193

Ryan

I speak for myself when I say I'm not interested in risky business.

I'm a collector and it's fun. What you propose sounds like work and I already have a job.

Plus, whenever a deal seems too good to pass up? Pass!

Come on. NOBODY gives anything away. And anyone who has really great stuff either apprpriately sells it on ebay or gives it off to some of the bigger auction houses.

By any chance do you know Collector222?

mike

DS1991Topps

Also I will be donating 10% of the final price to the M.S. (Multiple Sclerosis) Society.

YOU CAN"T LIST THIS IN YOUR LISTING - Unless you use ebay's Mission Fish.

Ebay will end this listing soon, if it gets reported or your remove the above statement.

incugator

I do not know collector222. Sorry. Is there anything I should know about this person? I don't disagree that this is purchase for more than a casual collector. Once again, I understand that you guys are not intersted in this lot, I just do not want to destroy my repuation. I hope that you guys believe that I am in no way affiliated with this lot and am not pressuring any of you to get involved with the lot. I simply asked if anybody was interested. Clearly, this was not the response I was looking for.

DS1991Topps

These guys/gals are tough for a reason.

THEY KNOW THEIR SH*T!

brianwintersfan

<< <i>Clearly, this was not the response I was looking for. >>



Well maybe if you were here longer than 3 weeks you would know we are a tight bunch who look out for other collectors as well as each other.

incugator

The other Ryan, the seller has just responded with this response.

This is a large purchase so I would expect one to take the precations you have expressed. As stated in the auction these cards are 100% authentic. Please refer to my feedback. Also I'm a Firefighter(if that helps). As for picking these cards up in person, that would be fine. I would rather not have to send them through the mail. Like I mentioned earlier, I would like to see what type of interest my collection brings, so I don't plan on ending it early just yet, if that is what you had in mind. If you have any questions or would like to discuss this collection I'll send you an E-mail with a phone #. Thanks.
-Ryan-

I guess a firehouse would be nearly as safe as a police station. Anybody disagree?

brianwintersfan

I have a hard time swallowing that you are some sort of big time card collector/seller. On another thread you asked about vintage packs and about GAI and their pack grading standards. You asked if a pack was graded a 6 does that mean the cards inside were EX-MT. Are you kidding me?? I mean how the hell would they know that without opening the pack. It seems like common sense would give you that answer but yet we should put our trust and our $$ into your great plan??

ToppsCo1lector

Well hey, real or not I wouldn't go in on anything with somebody I don't know personally. I mean a casebuy is one thing, but if I'm buying a collection I'm going to do it inperson with someone that I know. Hell if I'm spending that much I'll allow my lawyer and a third party witness(I'll even pay for his own representation) to handle the transaction. Just my .02.

pandrews

classic..

pandrews

i'm in for 10k..

baseballfanatic

Sounds good to me. I'll foot the other 10k.....

storm888

It is actually "ULTRA-Classic."

The seller may or may not be a firefighter, but he did buy
a T-shirt with a firefighting logo on it.

I should add, that as crazy as the world is - on/off scambay -
one/both Ryans might absolutely be acting in good faith.

storm

JackWESQ

The seller and item location is Glendora, California. That is about 25 minutes from where I live.
If the seller agrees to it, I'd be more than willing to drop by with my digital camera, take some
pictures, inspect the cards, do some authenticity checks, etc., and attempt to verify the cards.

If there is enough interest here, I'll email the seller and see if he is willing to arrange a meeting.

/s/ JackWESQ

Stone193

<< <i>i'm in for 10k.. >>


Are those Kelly Bundy Ks?

incugator

Jack,

Most of the people on this thread have turned this post into a complete joke, but the seller and I have been in pretty good e-mail contact and I think he wouldn't have a problem with you going to look at the lot. Are you seriously interested in getting involved? If so, shoot me a private message or e-mail me at incugator@Hotmail.com The ball has officially started rolling.

Stone193

iamthegreatcornholio

<< <i>

<< <i>i'm in for 10k.. >>


Are those Kelly Bundy Ks?

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incugator

You guys are being awfully harsh. You have completely ruined this post but it looks like the ball is rolling. I have received 3 e-mails from people who are interested plus AAF8. It looks like this deal has a chance.

"What are the chances 1 in a thousand....." "More like one in a million...." "So you're saying there's a chance"

pandrews

<< <i>You guys are being awfully harsh. You have completely ruined this post but it looks like the ball is rolling. I have received 3 e-mails from people who are interested plus AAF8. It looks like this deal has a chance.

"What are the chances 1 in a thousand....." "More like one in a million...." "So you're saying there's a chance" >>



i'd hit it..

incugator

Does anybody here live in the Phoenix area? I'd love to meet one of you guys to prove that I am not a scam artist.

wolfbear

How come incugator -Ryan and the eBay seller -Ryan- both put little dashes in front of their names?

Is it just a -Ryanish thing?
By the way, I'm in for 5 bucks.

-wolfbear