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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,107 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, I hit a nerve huh? Dont take it SOOOOOO personal. Thanks for sharing your childhood with me though. Your a pompous a$$ and thats how it is as far as Im concerned, could care less if you like Bonds or not just arguing with you and everybody else that sticks to the old Bonds is a jerk and he is a cheat thing, but your pompous a$$ wont go anywhere else with the argument.
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    Hit a nerve? Hardly.

    Your a pompous a$$ and thats how it is as far as Im concerned, could care less if you like Bonds or not just arguing with you and everybody else that sticks to the old Bonds is a jerk and he is a cheat thing, but your pompous a$$ wont go anywhere else with the argument.

    First, the correct way would be "You are/you're a pompous a$$" ....

    second, the above is the first time I am quoting you, and third ...

    you call what you are doing arguing? If so image as well as image and where else can I or anyone else go with so called "argument"?

    you're fun. can we keep doing this? I would recommend stopping, as you look like an idiot.

    collecting various PSA and SGC cards
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,107 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1420, yes we can continue. You say its fun watching the "small minded few" who root for the guy? Only "knowledgable fans" dislike the guy? Well I know baseball well enough and I am not the only one who roots for the guy and I dont consider anyone who does or does not root for him "small minded" Thats where you sound like a pompous a$$ and I dissagree with you. I do appreaciate your condisending little grammar class but you understand what Im saying so save it for your playmates.



  • << <i>He's a cheat and a liar. How is his cheating any different than what Rose did? Rose is banned for life from baseball, while Bonds' actions had direct implications on games, yet he's still playing.
    Fair? >>

    Jason Giambi cheated for at least 3 years that he admited to - he is still playing. Doesnt that bother you?

    Sheffield is still playing too, where is your outrage for them?





    what a freakin, Tranparent JOKE you are!





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  • << <i>Hank Aaron should be placed higher in history, but he isn't and I don't know why. >>

    because the vast majority of baseball fans are WHITE and arron is BLACK and he broke the sacred record of a WHITE man that they held (and still hold) up as God. that is the simple short answer. Aaron talks about it regularly.
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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> Jason Giambi cheated for at least 3 years that he admited to - he is still playing. Doesnt that bother you?

    Sheffield is still playing too, where is your outrage for them?
    what a freakin, Tranparent JOKE you are! >>



    Great, another clown who has no fu$king clue as to what this thread is about.

    NOBODY is upset that Barry Bonds gets to play out his career numb nuts. It is the fact that a all time record may fall because of this cheating ba$tard. NONE of these guys should be banned from finishing out there tainted cheat filled careers. But ALL who are proven in the future to have juiced (and it will come out) should have ANY PERSONAL RECORDS that they set sticken from the books.

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>He's a cheat and a liar. How is his cheating any different than what Rose did? Rose is banned for life from baseball, while Bonds' actions had direct implications on games, yet he's still playing.
    Fair? >>

    Jason Giambi cheated for at least 3 years that he admited to - he is still playing. Doesnt that bother you?

    Sheffield is still playing too, where is your outrage for them?

    what a freakin, Tranparent JOKE you are! >>



    theo-

    I have called out giambi and sheffield OFTEN (ask any of the resident yankee fans).

    Exactly what rock did you crawl out from under? If you showed your cowardly hide here more than once a century, you'd know I hold all cheaters in equal contempt. But, since you decide to poke your nose in here so rarely, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

    Now, crawl back under your rock, and get the f**k out of here.

  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    I gotta side with Ax on that one theo.....he has called out the resident cheaters here in NY, Giambi and Sheffield more times than I can count !!

    Frankly they cant be called out enough though, they are both liars and I cant wait to get till they are gone from the Yankees and baseball.
    "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
    -- Yogi Berra

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  • WabittwaxWabittwax Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭
    I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I think Bonds with steriods is far better than Ruth. Bonds without the juice is a different story. Look at their bodies. Ruth was a fat slow slob and Bonds has a body that most men would give their left nut for. Also, no doubt that if Bonds faced ANY pitcher from Ruth's era that was pitching on 0 or 1 day rest and maxing out at 85 MPH, he would be crushing the ball like an All Star HR Derby. If Bonds played in 1920, Ruth would have been second to him in every offensive category.

    I'm sure this post will stir up some trouble, lol.
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> Ruth was a fat slow slob and Bonds has a body that most men would give their left nut for. >>



    It is likely that Bonds gave BOTH nuts for that body!
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> Ruth was a fat slow slob and Bonds has a body that most men would give their left nut for. Also, no doubt that if Bonds faced ANY pitcher from Ruth's era that was pitching on 0 or 1 day rest and maxing out at 85 MPH, he would be crushing the ball like an All Star HR Derby. If Bonds played in 1920, Ruth would have been second to him in every offensive category.

    I'm sure this post will stir up some trouble, lol. >>



    Nah no trouble. It is obvious you don't know your a$$ from your dirty finger even the the two meet often. Ho could anybody get fired up over a "opinion" as baseless and stupid as that one?

    Really image Every statement that you made is just stupid.Your opinion or not it is all just stupid. Get the fu$k out of this thread you idiot image

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  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    I don't think that pitchers were only topping out at 85 mph back in Ruth's day, as I believe Feller broke 100 MPH when he was clocked. Not knowing for certain, but was radar even available when Johnson pitched? Even more, what makes you think that pitchers could not throw as hard as pitchers today? And having a chiseled body has nothing to do with hitting a fastball ... just ask Luzinski, Horner, Ortiz, Pujols, Aaron or Frank Thomas - to name only a few. Ruth was a pretty big guy at 6'2", and was probably very, very strong ... his numbers prove that. There may not have been black or hispanic players, but the balls were not as hard and the porches were longer. He was outhitting entire TEAMS so that alone tells you something about his hitting prowess.

    Comparing players from different era's is basicaly impossible, but based on my opinion, Bonds would have been a great player back then just as Ruth would be now. With that rationale in mind, Ruth would be putting up better numbers than Bonds in any era - Ruth did it with a smaller league (w/o black or hispanic players) and Bonds has added 150 HRS (my take) because of the juice. And he is/was on the juice. No doubt about it. Hell, even Bonds admitted it.
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  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    Pitchers may not have thrown as hard in the old days, and they may have pitched far more innings, thus weakening their arms and allowing hitters more opportunity to see them, but on the other hand, bats were like tree trunks, the balls were like a childs toy, and the ballparks were cavernous. I think all those factors cancel each other out.

    The big difference in Ruths day as opposed to today was that when Ruth played there were 2 races of human beings not allowed to play the major league game. I think its fair and safe to say that had the best black and latin players been included we would have an entirely different history and record book than the one we know today.
    "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
    -- Yogi Berra

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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    I will always believe that Bonds is a disgrace to the game. Anyone who has taken steroids, known or not are a disgrace. Some of them are just able to live with it in secrecy...but they probably suffer from the disgrace within themselves. They may even blame it on pressure to perform, money, etc...but the fact remains they are a disgrace.
    I hold no less disgrace to McGwire, Palmiero, Giambi x 2, Canseco, Sheffield, and on and on....
    The difference with Bonds is that he is breaking very important records in baseball. For that reason, he is more suseptible for the well deserved scrutiny. Yes, Bonds has incredible skills but those numbers are inflated...inflated so much he has brought on this scrutiny.
    IF Giambi, Sheffied, and others who have taken steroids are clean, lets not forget what they have done...but lets also praise them for becoming clean and coming back to perform well. I would have no problem taking a percentage of their stats away from them as that would be deserved.
    I couldnt even say that if Bonds is steroid free now, he performs well. He doesnt. He is a cripple out on the field and is there for his own selfish reasons. He isnt interested in helping his ballclub win. He cant run, field, or even hit effectively. I know what many of you will say...he is still feared, hits HRs, etc...but he has changed his stance because of his physical condition. THEN when he does hit and its not out of the park, he is looking like a 70 year old rounding the bases. The man isnt even able to hustle. He is there only to hit his HR's for his own personal satisfaction...and maybe even to say FU to baseball and its fans.
    And for anyone, including Bonds, to say that this is a racial thing is an idiot. Though it may have been an issue for Aaron then, it's not an issue now because so many people are in agreement that Aaron, even if passed by Bonds, is the true HR King. Is that rascist? Like I said, only an idiot would think so.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,107 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let me ask you guys this, what about Josh Gibson? I may be wrong but the negro leagues had to be on a pretty close talent level as the majors back then right? They didnt play in the majors because of a lack of talent but because of skin color. Does anybody have any info on the type of playing field they were on? Gibson does get mentioned here and there but not enough if people agree that the negro leagues must of had some serious talent that was never put in the majors.
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Walter Johnson. He could throw a 85 mile per fastball with is feet. image

    Also, Babe Ruth didn't put on the girth and rolly polly status until LATE in his career. I can't stand IDIOTS that either ONE just try and stir the pot for the hell of it and then run like a little bit$h or TWO are just so STUPID that they think there "opinion" should be respected for the simple fact that ANY opinion is welcome. Screw that, and hopefully this thread gets away from the random JERKOFF that throws his "opinion" around.

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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Theo-

    have you crawled back into your little hole, twit?

    wabbit-

    it's apparent your post was nothing more than an attempt to stir the pot. Anyone with any appreciation of the game knows that Ruth would be the best baseball player in his or any other era.

  • DirtyHarryDirtyHarry Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭
    Where is the logic here.... who will post Bond's versus Babe's numbers on hitting percentage, slugging percentage and RBI's? Compound this by the eras they played in. I don't care if Bonds is purple - he sucks in comparison. To boot, he is an insolent a-hole to the fans and the game that made him rich and famous. OK, he is a good athelete....enhanced??? TBD.

    Despite his past mealy mouthed racial spouting, he will never be the man that Hank Aaron was as a player or individual. Hank Aaron dealt with serious, serious issues. Bonds has only dealt with any self serving blather he invents and spins.

    So, if he lingers and breaks Aaron's HR record, nobody should care. It should be no more of a milestone than passing Ruth. He is a disgrace to the game.
    Proud of my 16x20 autographed and framed collection - all signed in person. Not big on modern - I'm stuck in the past!
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    One final word comparing Ruth and Bonds:

    Please show me how many times Bonds has won 20 games in a season as a pitcher? Ruth likely could have been an all time great pitcher had he not been moved to the outfield so his bat could help the team more by playing daily.

    One thing I didn't know until recently: Ruth pitched a 14 inning complete game 6 hitter in the 1916 world series in which he gave up just one run.

    Tell Bonds to put that in his pipe and smoke it. Bonds doesn't compare to Ruth in any way, shape, or form. Ruth was hitting more home runs than entire TEAMS.

  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    Babe Ruth still holds the mark for the highest winning percentage of any pitcher against the Yankees. He was 18-2 against them in his short but amazing pitching career.

    "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
    -- Yogi Berra

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  • WabittwaxWabittwax Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nah no trouble. It is obvious you don't know your a$$ from your dirty finger even the the two meet often. Ho could anybody get fired up over a "opinion" as baseless and stupid as that one?

    Really image Every statement that you made is just stupid.Your opinion or not it is all just stupid. Get the fu$k out of this thread you idiot image >>



    What the f is your problem. I've always treated everybody kindly on this forum and you come back at me with this crap? I hope Joe O boots you from here. I've never said anything to anybody to warrant a response like that.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,107 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wabittwax, your dealing some computer jockeys here, none of these guys that like to disrespect people would talk like this at a bar or in any group sports conversation because they would get there dome kicked in, its really as simple as that.

    Nobody has any info or thoughts regarding Josh Gibson?
  • DirtyHarryDirtyHarry Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭
    Perkdog - Josh Gibson has a history of being referred to as "The Black Babe Ruth". Why don't you inform the board instead of just questioning.
    Proud of my 16x20 autographed and framed collection - all signed in person. Not big on modern - I'm stuck in the past!
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    What the f is your problem. I've always treated everybody kindly on this forum and you come back at me with this crap? I hope Joe O boots you from here. I've never said anything to anybody to warrant a response like that. >>



    ahhhh quit crying ya sissy. Don't jump into any more threads with IDIOTIC "opinions" and all will be good. Sorry, but only a loon would actually thnk Babe Ruth was a fat slob for even 90% of his career and that pitchers did not throw CHEESE back in the day. Go educate yourself and then come back with something REAL. Don't take it so personally man ....geez.... your comments were STUPID. Yep, ya can't say something anymore untrue and baseless then the thoughts of yours that are in question.

    Also, you go right ahead and tell Joe Orlando on me. You go tell him about the bad bad person (me) in the sports forum. image

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    perkdog, OF COURSE the Negro leagues had many many players who should have been successful big leaguers. Josh Gibson is one who gets alot of the attention because of his awesome power. Unfortunatley, we can't compare them to the big leaguers of the day becuase they were not allowed in the big leagues. We can only wonder.

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,107 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dirty Harry-I Really was curious what the board had to say about him, honestly I respect the wealth of knowledge here thats why I questioned and did not inform.

    Softparade- I will accept that if thats all there is to say, thanks for your input.
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    Softparade- I will accept that if thats all there is to say, thanks for your input. >>



    there is alot to say about Josh Gibson. I suggest you start a thread about him.

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  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    Bonds has a hee-yooge noggin .... and a snausage
    collecting various PSA and SGC cards
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,107 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1420-as long as you dont say he has a snozzberry I wont challenge....
  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭


    << <i>1420-as long as you dont say he has a snozzberry I wont challenge.... >>




    Did someone say snozzberry ?? Who ever heard of a snozzberry ??

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    "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
    -- Yogi Berra

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,107 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thats awesome nice work image
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Kid licks glass..."The Snozzberries taste like Snozzberries."

    Wish I had a photo of that...great part of super troopers.


  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    Ax, ask and you shall receive....



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    "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
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  • WabittwaxWabittwax Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭


    << <i>ahhhh quit crying ya sissy. Don't jump into any more threads with IDIOTIC "opinions" and all will be good. Sorry, but only a loon would actually thnk Babe Ruth was a fat slob for even 90% of his career and that pitchers did not throw CHEESE back in the day. Go educate yourself and then come back with something REAL. Don't take it so personally man ....geez.... your comments were STUPID. Yep, ya can't say something anymore untrue and baseless then the thoughts of yours that are in question.

    Also, you go right ahead and tell Joe Orlando on me. You go tell him about the bad bad person (me) in the sports forum. image >>



    First off, I stand by my opinion. I wasn't trying to cause a fight. I just knew that many people in here think that the greatest players are all dead and nobody will EVER be that good, which is ridiculous.

    Second off, you talk a lot of smack behind your computer screen. Nobody has ever in my life said these things, that you have, to my face. Never, not even once. If you saw me, you would understand. Your gonna get yourself in trouble with those words someday.
  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭


    << <i>

    Second off, you talk a lot of smack behind your computer screen. Nobody has ever in my life said these things, that you have, to my face. Never, not even once. If you saw me, you would understand. Your gonna get yourself in trouble with those words someday. >>





    I am reminded of a Roger Waters song, " The Bravery of Being Out of Range "
    "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
    -- Yogi Berra

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    Second off, you talk a lot of smack behind your computer screen. Nobody has ever in my life said these things, that you have, to my face. Never, not even once. If you saw me, you would understand. Your gonna get yourself in trouble with those words someday. >>



    you are right. It is SMACK. This is a SMACK talking forum. If your feelings are gonna get all hurt and bothered then you probably don't belong here.

    And wabbitt, you say this ....

    "I just knew that many people in here think that the greatest players are all dead and nobody will EVER be that good, which is ridiculous."

    How about some links to back up that one? I have NEVER seen ANYBODY in this forum try and argue that yesterdays greats are better then todays players. How did you come up with that one? This is a thread about the juiced up CHEATS asault on the all time home run record. NOT about players from yesterday being better then players from today. Get with the program.

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