<< <i>This kind of reminds me of the zero tolerance arguements. These are made because most people just can not think clearly on their own, so they need someone else to hold their hands and help them out.
I have read several times on the board that people get irritated when someone sets a reserve on their auction, they always say "let the buyers set the market". then you have the guys who set no reserve, and then when the item sells for a loss, everyone chimes in and says "you should have set a reserve". Having been burned several times by starting at .99, I completely see the need to allow a buy-back bid.
Anyone sent to jail/prison because they committed shill bidding on ebay, thats just plain stupid, waste of money by the taxpayers. Yeah, i can just see the jury deliberating over that one. "The guy bid the item up $10, lets fry him".
I would think anyone who supported that kind of stupidity would be first in line at a pro zero tolerance rally. But see, thats rational thinking, not knee jerk reactionism.
Whoosh
JMHO >>
Zero tolerance usually refers to things like a small amount of marijuana, or other 'vice' crimes. The "victim" is a willing participant and knows he is buying/selling an illegal substance. Everyone knows they are breaking the law and that the other fellow is too.
In shill bidding there is a victim being defrauded out of some or all of his money. That victim is NOT a knowing and willing participant in the fraud practiced against him by another who is knowingly committing antisocial behavior... And the con artist is pretending he is on the up and up.
Anyone willing to cheat ebay out of a few lousey cents for a reserve fee or higher starting price is willing to cheat, period, and therefore likely and willing to cheat the people he sells to or anyone anywhere. Shilling in itself is an attempt to cheat your buyers. I guess anyone that is happy to do that is what they are.
Fraud is dishonesty, the same minority of people seem to do most of it. Overgrading, overcharging, shill bidding, coin doctoring, misdescribing, etc., to me, those acts all require a similar character flaw or weakness. They have all manner of rationalizations for it, though.
If one has to cheat to stay in business, maybe they would be better served to get an honest job.
The true character of a person can often be known by observing their rationalizations, defenses and perceptions of their own (and others') actions.
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<< <i>This kind of reminds me of the zero tolerance arguements. These are made because most people just can not think clearly on their own, so they need someone else to hold their hands and help them out.
I have read several times on the board that people get irritated when someone sets a reserve on their auction, they always say "let the buyers set the market". then you have the guys who set no reserve, and then when the item sells for a loss, everyone chimes in and says "you should have set a reserve". Having been burned several times by starting at .99, I completely see the need to allow a buy-back bid.
Anyone sent to jail/prison because they committed shill bidding on ebay, thats just plain stupid, waste of money by the taxpayers. Yeah, i can just see the jury deliberating over that one. "The guy bid the item up $10, lets fry him".
I would think anyone who supported that kind of stupidity would be first in line at a pro zero tolerance rally. But see, thats rational thinking, not knee jerk reactionism.
Whoosh
JMHO >>
Zero tolerance usually refers to things like a small amount of marijuana, or other 'vice' crimes. The "victim" is a willing participant and knows he is buying/selling an illegal substance. Everyone knows they are breaking the law and that the other fellow is too.
In shill bidding there is a victim being defrauded out of some or all of his money. That victim is NOT a knowing and willing participant in the fraud practiced against him by another who is knowingly committing antisocial behavior... And the con artist is pretending he is on the up and up.
Anyone willing to cheat ebay out of a few lousey cents for a reserve fee or higher starting price is willing to cheat, period, and therefore likely and willing to cheat the people he sells to or anyone anywhere.
Shilling in itself is an attempt to cheat your buyers. I guess anyone that is happy to do that is what they are.
Fraud is dishonesty, the same minority of people seem to do most of it. Overgrading, overcharging, shill bidding, coin doctoring, misdescribing, etc., to me, those acts all require a similar character flaw or weakness. They have all manner of rationalizations for it, though.
If one has to cheat to stay in business, maybe they would be better served to get an honest job.
The true character of a person can often be known by observing their rationalizations, defenses and perceptions of their own (and others') actions.
JMHO