Warning-this will make you cry

MantleMarisFordBerra · May 19, 2006 8:15AM

You have been warned!

pomobileclk · May 19, 2006 8:40AM

The guy does good restoration work , just what the hobby needs!

baseballfanatic · May 19, 2006 8:45AM

You can still see the tear, but this same type of restoration work is what started the scrutiny with comics and movie posters. It is acceptable to a degree with posters, but makes card and comic grading a necessity with any type of high dollar material...

bishop · May 19, 2006 8:47AM

PSA .333

fur72 · May 19, 2006 9:16AM

I now need a month of therapy after seeing that.

mkg809 · May 19, 2006 9:27AM

I'd like to know the story of how it was ripped. I would have that card encased in bulletproof glass.

etown99girl · May 19, 2006 9:30AM

WOW!

Axtell · May 19, 2006 10:09AM

I wonder if PSA would grade it 'authentic'?

Dallas88 · May 19, 2006 11:57AM

From what I have heard, restoration in the card industry has been around much longer than many of us have been "into" the hobby.....and some have gotten quite good at it.

Snowball · May 19, 2006 1:12PM

Was the edge of the restored mantle trimmed? The corners of the restored card is sharp and the torn card's roundish.

poppie · May 19, 2006 1:36PM

Very very cool !!

Allen · May 19, 2006 1:44PM

I stumbled across that a very long time ago and wondered what the story behind that Mantle was. I believe the corners were "built back up" read their page about some of their methods.

bennybravo · May 20, 2006 1:59AM

Holy Crap!That hardly looks like the same card. I'm curious too about how he got those corners to come back to life.

FavreFan1971 · May 20, 2006 4:20AM

holy crap. Thank God for PSA! That Mantle looks amazing.

rmoss · May 21, 2006 5:14PM

Does this mean there are dealers out there selling these to the unsuspecting?

fab4 · May 21, 2006 6:09PM

you don't think a few haven't found homes in slabs.

stevek · May 21, 2006 7:03PM

<< you don't think a few haven't found homes in slabs. >>

No.

stevek · May 21, 2006 7:04PM

<< Does this mean there are dealers out there selling these to the unsuspecting? >>

Selling them raw, if some dealers can get away with it of course.

stevek · May 21, 2006 7:09PM

<< Holy Crap!That hardly looks like the same card. I'm curious too about how he got those corners to come back to life.

>>

I've never tried restoring a card like this, but from what I've read they take paper material from a genuine 1952 Topps common and somehow "mash and form" it together on the old card to get the corners to "come back" to being square again.

stevek · May 21, 2006 7:14PM

<< holy crap. Thank God for PSA! That Mantle looks amazing. >>

You ain't kiddin' - this is an example of what the hobby was like before the advent of grading companies. Altered cards were rampant beyond belief. Of course altered cards are still out there but at least most people know that if an "expensive" card isn't in a slab like a PSA, chances are almost certain there is a problem with that card. Anybody who buys a raw 1952 Mantle, chances are virtually 100% they are throwing away good money.

Solar77 · May 21, 2006 10:23PM

I dunno, massive tear notwithstanding, I'd rather have the card original with nicely rounded corners and authentic wear. Just buy a reprint if you want an artificially "mint" example.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · May 22, 2006 2:49AM

Scary. Whats more scary is the shady people reading this, working on cards right now then waiting for one of us to buy it. I have had fakes slabbed (GEM of course) and mislabeled by GAI so even the grading companies make mistakes.
Thanks for the info. Something else to look for I never thought was possible.
Happy Hunting

stevek · May 22, 2006 3:22AM

<< Scary. Whats more scary is the shady people reading this, working on cards right now then waiting for one of us to buy it. I have had fakes slabbed (GEM of course) and mislabeled by GAI so even the grading companies make mistakes.
Thanks for the info. Something else to look for I never thought was possible.
Happy Hunting >>

No top grading company is going to slab that card. Don't forget that a scan "fills things in" on a picture...seeing that card live under magnification the doctoring would be quite easy to spot if having any clue whatsoever about baseball cards.

gstarling · May 22, 2006 4:20AM

<< 

<< Scary. Whats more scary is the shady people reading this, working on cards right now then waiting for one of us to buy it. I have had fakes slabbed (GEM of course) and mislabeled by GAI so even the grading companies make mistakes.
Thanks for the info. Something else to look for I never thought was possible.
Happy Hunting >>

No top grading company is going to slab that card. Don't forget that a scan "fills things in" on a picture...seeing that card live under magnification the doctoring would be quite easy to spot if having any clue whatsoever about baseball cards. >>

Repairing a ripped card, building up corners, and recoloring can be detected by grading companines.

Pressing wrinkles out is never caught.

Professional restorers, can remove discoloring, stains, etc. and get them by the graders. Some even do a press and trim job on the corners where the card is sent through a press to make it a bit too big and then trimmed back to "normal" size to sharpen corners.

I'm opposed to any kind of restoration (the whole personality of the card thing), but I've personally seen cards get "fixed" then slabbed by ALL major grading companies. When bumping a card a grade or two can change the value of a card by hundreds if not thousands of dollars, it's naive to believe there are not a large number of sellers engaged in this.

baseballfanatic · May 22, 2006 4:27AM

Spooners and press and trimmers have been around since the 60's, but refined the craft in the early 70's when condition was becoming paramount. Just like steroids and masking agents, it will never go away when trying to get an "edge" is involved......

stevek · May 22, 2006 4:48AM

<< 

<< 

<< Scary. Whats more scary is the shady people reading this, working on cards right now then waiting for one of us to buy it. I have had fakes slabbed (GEM of course) and mislabeled by GAI so even the grading companies make mistakes.
Thanks for the info. Something else to look for I never thought was possible.
Happy Hunting >>

No top grading company is going to slab that card. Don't forget that a scan "fills things in" on a picture...seeing that card live under magnification the doctoring would be quite easy to spot if having any clue whatsoever about baseball cards. >>

Repairing a ripped card, building up corners, and recoloring can be detected by grading companines.

Pressing wrinkles out is never caught.

Professional restorers, can remove discoloring, stains, etc. and get them by the graders. Some even do a press and trim job on the corners where the card is sent through a press to make it a bit too big and then trimmed back to "normal" size to sharpen corners.

I'm opposed to any kind of restoration (the whole personality of the card thing), but I've personally seen cards get "fixed" then slabbed by ALL major grading companies. When bumping a card a grade or two can change the value of a card by hundreds if not thousands of dollars, it's naive to believe there are not a large number of sellers engaged in this. >>

I've only ever seen one documented example of this and it was a very slight doctoring of a T206 that got past a top grading company and got slabbed. I'd be interested to see examples of your claim, or websites documenting examples of your claim of "Professional restorers, can remove discoloring, stains, etc. and get them by the graders."

gstarling · May 22, 2006 4:50AM

shoot me an email:
gstarling (AT) gmail . com

stevek · May 22, 2006 5:59AM

<< shoot me an email:
gstarling (AT) gmail . com >>

? ...just show it here for all the board. If you can't do it or don't want to do it, no big deal.

Warning-this will make you cry

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