Forum norms....is it now acceptable to be posting pics of coins you currently have for sale?
Bochiman
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So, over the years, we have seen many things on the forum.
One of those, I had thought, was that it was uncouth to post pictures of coins on the US Coin Forum that you were also selling on ebay/BST.
The "promote at all costs and in all forums" type of thing.
Is it now acceptable to do so?
One of those, I had thought, was that it was uncouth to post pictures of coins on the US Coin Forum that you were also selling on ebay/BST.
The "promote at all costs and in all forums" type of thing.
Is it now acceptable to do so?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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Russ, NCNE
Strict enforcement of that rule will keep this forum from being overrun by people who can't resist flogging their material that's up for sale.
I love looking at great coins as much as anyone, but there is a BST forum for a reason. People can post coins there free, in front of the most serious collector audience anywhere. That should be sufficient.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
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<< <i>I would prefer that coins for sale be kept in the BST forum. As it is, 90% of the current threads are about Ebay here. >>
And that is with you starting the other 10%.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
How many coins have you posted in this forum over the years that you are/have sold through the BST?
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
I think the spirit of the rule is that you should not be simultaneously selling a coin on the BST while you are posting a "check out this VAM" thread about the same coin. As always, common sense and common courtesy prevail (or should, anyway).
I beleive the accepted norm is to not sell a posted coin at the same time the thread is running. If you wait a week or two I can't see anyone having any issues.
In BigBen's case He did not mention on the thread that he posted the coin that it was for sale in the BST at the same time. I am sure no one has ever directly told him about the unwritten rule. Also what are the chances that everyone has seen the threads on the unwritten rules. His post to the U.S. Coin Forum was in good taste since it was a thread that asked for pics of wild lincolns and he never mentioned the BST.
In the above case if it happens once I would not complain with a new thread like this, just send him a freindly PM stating the unwritten rule.
<< <i>Is it now acceptable to do so? >>
Absolutely Not!
I expect our members to be much more clever than using blatant spamming. You know, like posting a pic of coin asking "What is the best way to sell this?". And then sitting back and waiting for the pm's to come flooding in.
Tom
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<< <i>Is it now acceptable to do so? >>
Absolutely Not!
I expect our members to be much more clever than using blatant spamming. You know, like posting a pic of coin asking "What is the best way to sell this?". And then sitting back and waiting for the pm's to come flooding in.
In this case would it be OK for a newbie to ask what is the best way to sell a coin that came into their possesion? There is not a lot of help out there for people who know very little about this market and these forums have been very helpful to them in the past.
I understand your comment if it comes from a veteran but for a newbie looking for replies like send it to Heritage, Teletrade or your local coin dealer etc... I don't think it is a big issue.
The forum could also help the newbie with valuation like it is worthless or it may be worth something and here is a reputable dealer in your area that might be able to help.
<< <i>You know, like posting a pic of coin asking "What is the best way to sell this?". And then sitting back and waiting for the pm's to come flooding in. >>
Heck, you don't even have to go that far. Just post a pic asking to guess the grade or opinions on the toning and if people like the coin you will get many PM's asking if it's for sale.
<< <i>Is there some sort of acceptable timeline between posting a pic on the main forum and then on the BST? >>
Use common sense. If you post it for sale the next day, it looks bad. If you wait a few weeks, then it is probably OK, as long as every single coin you post does not end up for sale. Try to post coins you like and intend to keep as well!
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<< <i>You know, like posting a pic of coin asking "What is the best way to sell this?". And then sitting back and waiting for the pm's to come flooding in. >>
Heck, you don't even have to go that far. Just post a pic asking to guess the grade or opinions on the toning and if people like the coin you will get many PM's asking if it's for sale. >>
Yes, I know that happens as it happens to me frequently. As I would never post a coin I had for sale in this forum, my answer has always been no, and I look at those pm's as somewhat flattering. I would like to believe that most members don't post their images with the intent to sell in mind. But I am quite suspicious of some.
Let's say someone posts photos of a coin he owns.
Scenario 1:
Two weeks later he offers it on BST.
Most of the time that would be OK. When would it NOT be fine? When the member's posts overwhelmingly consist of posting photos of coins which are then offered for sale two weeks later on BST. This is one of those situations where someone will cry "Well, XYZ did it and no one complained!" Yeah, but doing it once in a while and doing it repeatedly are two different things.
Scenario 2:
Member never offers any coins on BST, but all photo posts are accompanied by asking "where is the best place to sell this?".
Not OK. Transparently spamming.
A little common sense and courtesy goes a long way.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
To answer the basic question- AFTER posting here I put my posted my Lincolns in the BST board and NEVER mentioned they were for sale here because at the time, they WEREN'T! I have been tradingselling with another forum member who has a top registry set and found out after my post here (the Exotic Lincoln Post) that he has several Lincolns he's willing to trade or sell, which spurred me to sell these coins or offer for trade to put in my registry set.
Well lo and behold does Mr. Bochiman come after me with fervor not seen since the Inquisition! Ready to burn me at the stake for having politely defended my actions even though he threatened to "trash" me in his first PM if I didn't conform to his demands. After that I got called every name in the book and he blocked me. Then he goes around posting references from my PM and starts making good with his threat to trash me around the board. Anyway, considering that he is not an official here at Collector's Universe, he has no right to threaten or demand ANYTHING.
This nonsense has to stop here and now as I did nothing wrong and certain folks need to grow the hell up and start acting like adults. It's like kids running around in school threatening to tell on people for obsure things, just nonsense.
I apologize to everyone here about all this ruckus and would like thank Becoka for jumping in to my defense.
Cheers,
BigBen
I'm telling!!!
<< <i>I will also add that he PM'ed me and called me every name in the book >>
He sent you a very pleasant non-threatening heads-up type PM. It was only after you responded as a know-it-all twerp that he responded negatively.
Russ, NCNE
Hee hee, if you're not going to burn me at the stake then I guess I'm lucky
<< <i>I beleive the accepted norm is to not sell a posted coin at the same time the thread is running. If you wait a week or two I can't see anyone having any issues.
In BigBen's case He did not mention on the thread that he posted the coin that it was for sale in the BST at the same time. I am sure no one has ever directly told him about the unwritten rule. Also what are the chances that everyone has seen the threads on the unwritten rules. His post to the U.S. Coin Forum was in good taste since it was a thread that asked for pics of wild lincolns and he never mentioned the BST.
In the above case if it happens once I would not complain with a new thread like this, just send him a freindly PM stating the unwritten rule. >>
mmmmm....not really. in bigben's case, I did PM him and told him that it would likely be frowned upon. He doesn't care as "he is a paying member".
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>even though he threatened to "trash" me in his first PM if I didn't conform to his demands. >>
This is his first PM:
<< <i>Bigben,
You do know it is considered poor taste to showcase/show coins that you currently have for sale on the US Coin Forum, right?
I saw you post those lincolns the other day, now you have them listed in the BST forum, and you posted them again in the lincoln thread.
Just FYI that people frown upon that and you may wind up getting trashed on if you keep doing it.
Best,
B >>
You probably should not have posted it in the other thread if you were going to resort to lying about its content.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>You probably should not have posted it in the other thread if you were going to resort to lying about it's content. >>
Ya just gotta hate when that happens.
I see, now Russ wants to show his true colors for everyone on the board now too. I'll just give you guys the noose so you can keep hanging yourselves.
Just keep opening your mouths and let the bugs crawl in
and I was going to go paint the hall ceiling...
and I was going to go paint the hall ceiling...>>
Goose, no excuses. Get to work on that NOW, or I will tell Mrs. Goose.
<< <i>know-it-all twerp I see, now Russ wants to show his true colors for everyone on the board now too. I'll just give you guys the noose so you can keep hanging yourselves. Just keep opening your mouths and let the bugs crawl in >>
Ben, did you forget your dosage this morning? What in the hell are you talking about?
Please stop PMing me with sexual overtures. I don't swing that way.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>even though he threatened to "trash" me in his first PM if I didn't conform to his demands. >>
This is his first PM:
<< <i>Bigben,
You do know it is considered poor taste to showcase/show coins that you currently have for sale on the US Coin Forum, right?
I saw you post those lincolns the other day, now you have them listed in the BST forum, and you posted them again in the lincoln thread.
Just FYI that people frown upon that and you may wind up getting trashed on if you keep doing it.
Best,
B >>
You probably should not have posted it in the other thread if you were going to resort to lying about its content.
Russ, NCNE >>
Ooops!!! Quite sloppy, no recovering from that.
<< <i>BigBen, Please stop PMing me with sexual overtures. I don't swing that way. Russ, NCNE >>
Arr, arr, arr. Isn't there a forum for that sorta stuff? Did I hear the OF? Yeah, please take it to the open forum ben
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>I'm adamantly against that, and I know the last time we discussed that it was quite one-sided - coins for sale don't belong here, regardless of the pretext.
Strict enforcement of that rule will keep this forum from being overrun by people who can't resist flogging their material that's up for sale.
I love looking at great coins as much as anyone, but there is a BST forum for a reason. People can post coins there free, in front of the most serious collector audience anywhere. That should be sufficient. >>
I've never done anything wrong here so just keep on smearing and let everyone that doesn't already know who are the most unpleasant people in the forum are
You guys have some SERIOUS issues that need to be resolved, good grief!
<< <i>I noticed you conveniently left out Bochiman's response to my PM above. >>
It wasn't necessary to post his second response since the issue was your deceptive portrayal of his first response. BTW, I sent you a PM with one of the names of the moderators to help you out. Now hop to your threatened tattletaling.
Russ, NCNE
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>In keeping good spirits, this thread is officially entertaining. >>
Figured the big box would be needed for this thread.
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<< <i>BigBen, Please stop PMing me with sexual overtures. I don't swing that way. Russ, NCNE >>
Arr, arr, arr. Isn't there a forum for that sorta stuff? Did I hear the OF? Yeah, please take it to the open forum ben >>
He did take it to the open forum....when he was looking to harass me in another thread (you know, search on someone's post, find something, then go there).
The funny thing was, he didn't look first and he was upset that non-coin talk was going on in a "coin forum".
To keep this related to coins, as people can see from my first PM to him (since he has posted it), I was trying to be nice and tell him the social norms here about what he was doing and that, since he was relatively knew, he may not know. I also said that some people may trash him for posting here while selling on the BST the same item. I never said "I" was going to trash him.
He came back quite rudely. He has been blocked in PMs by me (which I haven't done to someone since neptune) as he is quite rude and demanding in his PMs. Not a very nice person at all.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I agree with this 110%. We don't need a bunch of micky mouse rules defining how much time should pass between posting here and on BST. As stated by others, common sense and common curtousy should prevail. To the extent they don't, then I don't mind forum members being made a little uncomfortable about their conduct.
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<< <i>This is almoft refrefhing in a way. It's been quite fome time fince we've had a good old fafhioned fcrap here in the coin forum. It's good for the forum to let off a bit of collective fteam every now and then.
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<< <i>This is almoft refrefhing in a way. It's been quite fome time fince we've had a good old fafhioned fcrap here in the coin forum. It's good for the forum to let off a bit of collective fteam every now and then. >>
I have to admit, I do miss a good flaming thread.