Fakes?

Bruceswar

Here are 2 coins.... First one is more in Question... 2ns is an obvious fake... Take a look... the rims don't look right on the first one...

Auction 1
Auction 2

Opinions on both coins? Look at the price on the 2nd one. I guess a fool and his money are soon parted. What do you think?

Bruceswar

ttt

PerryHall

Both are very obvious, crude fakes. The first one is being sold by someone in Beirut, Lebanon where counterfeiting of US coins was a major industry and he has private feedback. Enough said.

Fountainhead

Electrotypes or cast? I recall that Lebanon has been a source of expert counterfeits and reproductions for decades.

sinin1

cool lettered edge on the first

tjkillian

The first is a high-quality fake, but has the famous "broken R" characteristic. Look at the R in liberty, on the left side in the middle. Very classic and famous version.

The second one is clearly a cast fake. A reeded edge 1799? Reeding did not come out until 1836.

Tom

DrWho

$685 on the second, very obvious fake. and STILL, i get melt bids on decent, no problem, common Morgans.

LanLord

I beleive that messed up R in LIBERTY on the first one is an obvious give a way for a fake bust dollar!

Cladiator

<< <i>$685 on the second, very obvious fake. and STILL, i get melt bids on decent, no problem, common Morgans. >>

I'd rather have a high quality fake Draped Bust Dollar than a common Morgan

DrWho

<< <i>I'd rather have a high quality fake Draped Bust Dollar than a common Morgan >>



can't fault you on the reply, but for $685 you'd rather have a fake? i'd go maybe $50, cause that's all i could afford, for a fake!

mcheath

but on the 2nd auction it is clearly stated NOT A MORGAN, so if you did this with your morgans: NOT A CAST 1799 DOLLAR: you might have better luck.

BillJones

The first one is a cast copy from a real coin. The depression in the "R" is one of the markers one looks for in counterfeits along with the bumps (blems) in the field.

The second is a total fabrication that resembles the real thing only to the point where they share the same general devices. The date is WAY too large; the bust and eagle have only a general resemblance to the artwork that the technicians at the first U.S. mint did.

The first fake could fool a novice collector who looked at the photos in the Red Book. The second one could only fool a non-collector tourist who has never seen the real thing and is looking for a “bargain” on vacation.

Bruceswar

I did not know about the R in the first one. for me the tip off was the edges. Thanks for the info. Ouch on the prices. As for the first one fooling only novices, If it had not been for the rim shots, and where it was coming from then I would have been fooled.

kiyote

i have to stop looking at these auctions.. I feel like barfing!

Same seller got great feedback on a fake Trade dollar.

Here's a 1906 silver eagle for your collection. !!!

Numisone

At least this person offers a (quote) "All of our coins are guarenteed to be 100% authentic and we offer full refunds on all our items if you do not like the coin once you receive it as long as it is returned unopened in the 2X2 mylar holder that we will ship it in" (quote).

This way they can sell their fake coins to the next unsuspecting newbie.

Of course Ebay does not "promote" selling counterfeits. They just turn a blind eye to it.

Isn't everyone happy to see that the ANA has joined the fight to stop this activity? Oh yeah, I forgot, the ANA only has clout to effect ANA members.

We all know how much that means in the real world. How many of the LARGE CoinWorld advertisers have had their membership revoked for selling junk?

At least there is Law Enforcement to protect us?

Maybe the Secret Service?

Humm..... I guess that it is up to knowledgeable collectors ?????

Of course we are NOT permitted to tell anyone bidding that some person(s) are known for selling fakes and altered coins.

At least we are beginning to be protected from sellers who offer "high" dollar rare coins. Can't have that can we????