1969 Lou Brock PSA 9

gaspipe26

Well its finally happened. A 1969 Brock got a 9 without a qualifier. Its on Ebay right now. I've set a price I'm willing to pay. If the bigger boys want it, it wont be cheap. Dave we can split it and send it back and forth every month! lol

Stump

I saw that Bob. Thats going to go big. Some guys are saying 10K. Its a little off center for a 9 in my opinion but it is one nice card. Certainly has razor sharp cornes. The slight tilt amybe kept it from being a 10. I have not placed a bid yet and will wait and see what happens. The last I saw you were winning. Good luck on it I am leaning away from bidding.
I think I would rather use the money for a Mantle in 9 or a white letter Mantle in 8

Dave

bobsbbcards

<< <i>
I think I would rather use the money for a Mantle in 9 or a white letter Mantle in 8
>>


Or a house.

gaspipe26

He had a $9985 Buy it Now . If anyone wants to pay that they can have it. I've set the price Im going to pay. If Im outbid, my 8 will do, my bid is already too much. I saw a 1975 Ryan 10 just go for like $7000+. You gotta have money to burn to pay that.

ColleSystem

Gaspipe26:

Be sure to get some more pics emailed your way to make sure it is not a "strong 8". At that price tier, the seller should not have any problem spending a reasonable amount of time preparing some additional scans or photos for you that show more detail.

Scott

WinPitcher

Wow nice card! The seller has included excellent pics in the auction.

I agree the centering could have kept it out of a 10 holder.


Steve


Goodluck Gaspipe.

ctsoxfan

<< <i>Gaspipe26:

Be sure to get some more pics emailed your way to make sure it is not a "strong 8". At that price tier, the seller should not have any problem spending a reasonable amount of time preparing some additional scans or photos for you that show more detail.

Scott >>



Honestly, what difference does it make? You are buying a cert number, not a card, on something like this.

Stump

Not only that but the scan shows the card pretty good. I still say with out the slight tilt its a 10. Just my opinion.

DJJ

gemint

Well, I knew it would happen someday. I'm surprised it took as long as it did with all the vending and unopened packs still out there. It's already beyond what I'm willing to go on it. I'm happy with my solid 8. I agree it's a nice 9 but I also think the typical print marks in the player profile box on the reverse also keeps it from a 10. I'm happy to see a 9 finally. Let's hope we see a few more in the future so us mere mortals have a chance to own one.

Ripken

Is it just a product of viewing on screen or is that lower left corner just a tad soft? Looks sharp on back I guess but that's a lot of cash to spend on a maybe. It's also not as well centered as I would hope. I don't know. I've got a lot of cards in '69 that look this nice and they barely grab a $5 bid if they're slapped with an 8 label. Teddy Ballgame just went for less than $30. That's a huge disparity based at least in part on a faceless grader's subjectivity.

But..as a set collector I also understand the need to complete something the way you desire and if you're chasing a straight 9 set and you have the scratch, I guess you've gotta have the Brock. I agree with the comment that on a 'rarity' like this you're buying a number not the card.

gaspipe26

The corners look fine to me, and the centering is at worse 40-60 L to R. Looks like a decent 9 to me.

calleocho

pushing 5 grand with almost 500 page hits...the card looks like a 9 ... wonderful colors.

Ripken

Left corner still doesn't look razor to me. Could be just the scan I guess.

gaspipe26

Look at the reverse, no white showing on left corner.

RayBShotz

That's an amazing Brock. In my 20 or so years collecting that set, I've never seen a finer example. Looks very deserving of a PSA 9 to me as well.
It is also difficult for the casual observer of this set to realize how truly difficult this Brock card has been. Despite being an in demand HOF'er and a usually well handled lower number, it is one of the most difficult cards in the entire set.
From print snow, to focus issues, to centering, to ink drag; when you combine any one of these with the difficulty of finding four sharp corners on the Brock, the card is next to impossible in 9.

Best of Luck in acquiring it Bob.
Good also to see some of the early names in 69' set building responding here as well.
RayB

Stump

Ray

I agree totally with you. The difficulty alone on this card is amazing. The 8's consistently bring 300-500. To have this card is 9 is truely a Holy Grail. The Yaz which I beleive is a 5 pop sells ofr 2-3k and is alot easier to get. It would be fitting for Bob to win this card. He is the true founder of the 69 PSA sets.

Dave

gemint

<< <i>Look at the reverse, no white showing on left corner. >>



If the blemish in the scan is really there, I'd say the corner was just clipped in whatever packaging it previously resided. If that happens, the reverse does not chip. They could have pushed it down before holdering it and there would be no reminent damage unless the paper creased, which doesn't appear to be the case here. I still think it's a deserving 9. The centering is about as good as they come.

dakota

Solid card,solid seller
Good luck gaspipe

HouseOfCards

Hey gaspipe, didn't I read that you have a 1969 1st series vending box? It has to be torture not to search it for Mint (maybe Gem Mint) Brocks at this price! Sorry to be the devil on your shoulder;-)

gaspipe26

Yes multiple 1st series boxes. 2 yrs ago I opened 3 and 95% of the cards were OC, including 14 Brock's and 17 Clemente's. I'll never crack another one again. Plus a 1st series if sent to Mastronet will bring much more than $4850.

CollectorChris

Rest assured, this card's going for $4,850. No one else is stupid enough to pay over $1,800. Some men are born desperate, some achieve desperation, and some have desperation thrust upon them.

bxb

Looks like a great card. I don't collect 1969s, but that card would fit nicely into my Hall of Fame set.

Gaspipe, I don't understand the bidding - why does it look like you are bidding against yourself? - i.e., why doesn't it just hide your maximum bid until someone passes it?

I think there are more bids coming - just a hunch.

WinPitcher

Bxb

Bob had to meet a reserve. that is why it appears he has been bidding against himself.

chris.........cmon


Steve

Stump

CollectorChris

What is that supposed to mean. I would have paid over 3K for that card. I guess that makes me stupid. Maybe some day I can be smart like you

DJJ

gemint

<< <i>Rest assured, this card's going for $4,850. No one else is stupid enough to pay over $1,800. Some men are born desperate, some achieve desperation, and some have desperation thrust upon them. >>



I'm sure that there are non-collectors out there that think you're stupid for collecting what you collect or for spending time on a message board that talks about card collecting. 'People in glass houses...'

dude

I seriously considered putting in a very stiff bid on this card but at this point, I'll probably pass. It's a tough call regarding what this card is ultimately worth (or will be worth in the future). Some of the Gem Mint 10 prices of the Hall of Famers from this set like a stunning perfectly-centered Clemente (pop 2) sold for less than $4K. Also, when a high profile "one of one" comes on the scene it gets a lot of hype and the final price is enormous. But it seems that when this type of spectacle occurs, several more show up in a relatively short period of time. Remember how impossible the '69 Shannon was? Now there are 4 - "9's" and 24 - "8's".

Good luck Bob! I'd rather see a '69 collector win it rather than some other guy who just collects star players or whatever.

gaspipe26

My final bid I can tell you is not near the $9985 the "BIN" price was at. I have a more than fair price there. Whether it be $5K , $6K or higher. Is this price ($4850) too high? Maybe, but didnt a 1971 Munson in 9 just sell for over $7000? Didnt a 1975 Ryan in 10 sell for over $7000 too? This is a real nice card, and yes, maybe I'm bidding on the holder a little bit, but most of us do that anyway dont we. I also wouldnt be surprised if there are 2 or 3 that outbid me. There are a few guys out there with much deeper pockets than me.

WinPitcher

gaspipe

you need not explain yourself. everyone that knows anything here knows that you know your 60's baseball cards. when someone needs advice regarding nuances they think gaspipe.

Steve

VMFA115

My bid got beat the first day (no surprise). Great card and as much as I over-bid, I would love to take a stab at it but I can't afford to have my checkbook taken away. Best of luck on it...I'll envy it from afar. As for CollectorCris, sorry, I must also be stupid as I would gladly pay over $1,800 for such a card. And gaspipe, I had my pockets sown shut to stop me.
Dave C.

gaspipe26

Dave,
I said we can alternate months. lol

I still think there will be one of two people that will outbid me.

CollectorChris

I was right. This card went for $4,850. Indeed, no one else bid over $1,800. How does it make one feel when there's such a gap between the first and second bidders? Desperate...or just vastly overpaying? In about year, one or two more PSA 9's will have surfaced. In three years, perhaps five. Then this card will be worth triple digits.

gaspipe26

Chris,
If you bothered to read this thread, there are at least 2 others who were willing to go over $3000. I pushed the bid to where it was and found the reserve. We'll see when another pops up. By the way, why do you care? Its not your money. I bet it would of gone much high if consigned to Mastronet. Geez the 1969 Koosman 10 I sold on Ebay went for $700 there, in Mastronet it went for over $2000 plus the juice. I thrilled, I thought I would of had to pay $6000+.

BugOnTheRug

Chris you know very little about the 69 set and the Brock in particular. Under $5K for the 9 is not nearly a ridiculous as a slew of other higher priced cards that will be more plentiful in the coming years.

I'll wager the pops on Brock in 9 won't be one of them.

Congrats Gaspipe.

Bill

bxb

Nice pickup by gaspipe, just a beautiful card.

I saved a picture of it in my photo archive.

WeekendHacker

That is a just AWESOME card. I was watching it, but the bidding price got out of my range before I even found out about it. It's the one and only PSA-9. I'd bet there wont be another 9 of that card that appears anywhere in the near future. Anyone who knows anything about cards, conditioning and (yea I gotta go here) pop reports knows there won't be another Lou Brock 1969 Topps card in PSA 9 anywhere in the fore-see-able future. I'm just looking for one of the few, very few Yastrzemski's in PSA-9. I need to upgrade my 8.

gemint

<< <i>I was right. This card went for $4,850. Indeed, no one else bid over $1,800. How does it make one feel when there's such a gap between the first and second bidders? Desperate...or just vastly overpaying? In about year, one or two more PSA 9's will have surfaced. In three years, perhaps five. Then this card will be worth triple digits.

>>



Paying $10,000 for a blank back 2006 card is much more rediculous than spending <$5k for a card everyone knows is tough yet never pulled a 9 in 10 years of heavy submitting. As for going for triple digits, I highly doubt that will happen. Even the 8's still sell in the mid triple digit range. Having scoured many a dealer inventory for the past 20 years looking for this card, <5% are decently centered. Then you add corner wear and print flaws on top of that, and it's easy to see why this card is so tough.

PS - Congrats Bob. I envy you. If you're going to the national, bring the card along. You can charge $10 to us 1969 junkies just to view the card.

gaspipe26

Thanks for the congrats everyone. I'm just beside myself. Good luck on the Yaz Weekender. I submitted and received the 2nd one that graded 9 (Yaz) also the 2nd Yaz All Star too that graded 9. Both I believe resided in "Stump's" set eventually. The $4850 was eased a little tonight too. I had 2 of my horses win tonight and 1 finished second, so I picked up almost $17K in purses, the best night I ever had as an owner, and I GOT the BROCK!!. All in all a great day.

kadokakid

Gas:

Congrats on a nice pickup. If Dave C says it's a great buy, then that says it all.

Dave C for the CU Hall of Fame in 2006, a long overdue award. CU do the right thing this year.



Peace

VMFA115

Gaspipe, congrats again and for the joint custody offer but it never works out and the kids end up all messed up (you did mean about the cards and children???). You got a great and special card....PERIOD.

Dave C.

ejguru

Congrats Bob! Way to go! Hope to catch up with you next time at the PA show--wherever that is...

EJ

Stump

Bob

Very very cool. What an awesome card. I would have thought 7k at the end. I think you got a great buy and congrats on the card and the horses. I did have the two Yaz 9;s for awhile. I think Dave C has the A.S. and the Reg went to a guy in N.Y. for a little over 3k.

Chris

Not sure what your deal is but I don't agree with you. Like I said before though one day maybe I can be as smart as you. But then again maybe I am just not that desperate.

DJJ

RayBShotz

Bob,
Congrats on the Brock. It's an incredible card!
RayB

WinPitcher

Congrats gaspipe.

Steve

mikeschmidt

Definitely a key card - and one of the 'condition rarities' that has stood the test of time over the past 4-5 years.

1954

Bob,
I know that is a big weight off of your shoulders getting that card. Congrats to you and the horses.

Shane

WeekendHacker

What a great day for you gas, winning horses, winning awesone auctions, with that kind of winning, you shoulda bought a few lotto tickets!!

ColleSystem

Very, Very nice. Congrats!!!!!!!!! How are you going to sleep in anticipation for the card's arrival??????????

-Scott

acowa

Bob,

Congratulations on the pickup. I can't recall seeing a nicer centered Brock in any condition. Not that it matters, but I think you got a great deal on the card. I am pretty confident that you will make money in the event you want to sell it.

Regards,


Alan

gaspipe26

The Brock arrived today and I can say. "Its by far the best 1969 Brock I've ever seen." The corners are rock solid. centering is 46-54 Left to right and 50-50 Top to Bottom. If not for just a hint of some minor minor snow in 1 spot it could of graded 10.

Stump

Bob

Very cool. It looled close to a 10 to me on the scan. You never know till you see it in person. Congrats again its an awesome card to have in 9. The Holy Grail of the 69's

Dave

iamthegreatcornholio

Nice card - It looks almost perfect!