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ledzep87ledzep87 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭
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Something is EXTREMELY fishy!

http://cgi.ebay.com/EX-RARE-1793-High-Grade-Half-Cent-Coin_W0QQitemZ8412368668QQcategoryZ4182QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Great transaction with: Relaxn, Collectorcoins, OKCC

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  • DD Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭
    Text

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  • DD Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭
    I love the Shipping Insurance: Not Offered

    -Daniel
    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

    -Aristotle

    Dum loquimur fugerit invida aetas. Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero.

    -Horace
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Electro?

    peacockcoins

  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    electrotype
    below average quality electrotype at best image


    definately NOT a betts electrotype


    all the above based on the photos
  • morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    Lets see:

    --not his coin--it's assigned from someone else
    --he will "resolve issues", not return
    --wants cashier's check or money order
    --the assigned grade is "high"
    --and as usual, it's raw

    Maybe he sells Vaseline for his happy bidders tooimage
    morgannut2
  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yes...definitely an electrotype...

    and all of the bidders' are private???

    Gee...they're not trying to pass this off as the real McCoy are they?image
    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • GeminiGemini Posts: 3,085 ✭
    Bidders identities protected...how thoughtful of the seller avoiding the posse and protecting his ASSets...and as for the scammed buyer for spending $3000.00 a very little homework could have saved alot of grief.
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  • xphobexphobe Posts: 605
    Awesome! Up to $4249 now. Oh the humanity!
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Savannah, Ga. nuf said.
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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was watching some of their other auctions that had just ended recently..... more similar items. They sold groups of 4-5 coins, all piled together, with what appeared to be old gold coins combined with .... a couple of junk coins. The same smelly odor emanated from these auctions. Same terms, descriptions, etc.
    ----- kj
  • xphobexphobe Posts: 605


    << <i>Savannah, Ga. nuf said. >>



    I don't get it. Is Savannah GA known for electrotypes?
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Savannah, Ga. nuf said. >>



    I don't get it. Is Savannah GA known for electrotypes? >>



    You never heard of the Savannah scammer? There have been many posts about this e-bay crook. He is quite famous on the forum.


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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I e-mailed him this AM [before the auction closed] to ask if it was an electrotype...no response.

    This ended at $5111.00


    eeeeegaaad!!!

    image
    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If this coin is genuine, the color tells me that it is corroded. The sharpness is VF, but given the corrosion, the piece is worth no more than half and probably less than what a no problem VF would bring.

    Early copper is bear with good surfaces. It’s the main reason why nice coins are so expensive.
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I e-mailed him this AM [before the auction closed] to ask if it was an electrotype...no response.

    This ended at $5111.00


    eeeeegaaad!!!

    image >>



    This is the very definition of "more money than brains"
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  • SFDukieSFDukie Posts: 618 ✭
    Irvin Clark and Pam Donnelly get away with highway robbery on a regular basis.

    Bill if you had to guess, do you think this one is genuine? Pam Donnelly has sold many coin reproductions not labelled as such.
    Don
  • VamCollectorVamCollector Posts: 347 ✭✭
    Unbelievable that someone would pony up that kind of cash for something like that in the raw.
  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The reverse seems wrong to me on the auction coin. A real 1793 Half Cent (as depicted at the CoinFacts website) has chains of berries off the wreath. The picture is kind of crappy in the auction photo, but it looks like the reverse of a 1794 instead...in which case, wouldn't the head of Liberty be facing the opposite direction?? This is why I think it's an electrotype. I've seen electrotype 1793 Large Cents that have similar appearance... I almost bid on it but the auction got over $100 and out of hand.

    Best Regards,

    Leo
    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • SFDukieSFDukie Posts: 618 ✭


    << <i>Unbelievable that someone would pony up that kind of cash for something like that in the raw. >>


    forget about raw-I can't believe someone would pony up that kind of cash with a photo that bad-and that is assuming it wasn't a private auction by one of the most infamous sellers on the web.
    Don
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Irvin Clark and Pam Donnelly get away with highway robbery on a regular basis.

    Bill if you had to guess, do you think this one is genuine? Pam Donnelly has sold many coin reproductions not labelled as such.
    Don >>



    The picture is so poor, especially the one for the reverse, that I can't tell if the coin is genuine or not. There were two obverse dies and three reverse dies used to strike the 1793 half cents. By the photo I'm pretty sure that the obverse is Cohen #1. I believe that the reverse is Cohen letter A, but I'm not sure. That would make this piece or the host piece that was used to make it Cohen variety #1. All four of the 1793 half varieties are of similar rarities.

    BTW, a decent electrotype would look much better than this. The edge on the real coin reads "TWO HUNDRED FOR A DOLLAR." Most electros have a plain edge and a tell-tale seem running through it where the haves for joined together.
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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bill...thanks for all the information. ...this is a really informative thread. At least for me. All the best...Leo
    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • VTCoinsVTCoins Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭
    Looks all good to me! image
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  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks all good to me! image >>



    image At least it did to the high bidder! (note to newer members: a now-banned ebay seller from Savannah used to list repros as genuine coins and they usually sold for big money. The seller would always say "Looks all good to me" in the auction listings.)

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • SFDukieSFDukie Posts: 618 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Looks all good to me! image >>



    image At least it did to the high bidder! (note to newer members: a now-banned ebay seller from Savannah used to list repros as genuine coins and they usually sold for big money. The seller would always say "Looks all good to me" in the auction listings.) >>



    Hi Kranky,
    Pam Donnelly is unfortunately no longer NARU'd on ebay-although she does not sell many coins these days. She leaves that to her accomplice estatedoctor
    Genuine appearing trade from Irvin Clark, huh? No way THAT one could be a fake.
    Don
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's one that I know is genuine because it's in my collection, and NGC said so too.

    This one has nice color and surfaces, but it has rim nicks. I graded VF sharpness, net Fine-15. NGC called it VF-35.image

    imageimage
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • SFDukieSFDukie Posts: 618 ✭


    << <i>Here's one that I know is genuine because it's in my collection, and NGC said so too.

    This one has nice color and surfaces, but it has rim nicks. I graded VF sharpness, net Fine-15. NGC called it VF-35.image

    imageimage >>

    image
  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm Swooning!!!!!

    image

    Thanks for the eye-candy!
    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.

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