<< <i>To answer gator 5220's question: YES, there ARE E-bay guidelines about these types of transactions. When you place a bid the page comes up and tells you that this is a BINDING contract you are making. The same thing goes for when you are listing an item. E-bay states that the seller assumes all responsibilities for the listing. That's why some of our unfortunate board members have lost out, BOTH, when buying and selling. How much does silver have to go up before one of our members has to go until he breaks even? OUCH! >>
Fortunately that was some time ago. When silver hits $58 an ounce I'll be even..........sort of. I forgot the shipping charges as I've mentally blocked that little adventure and then there is the inflation issue during that time frame.
Prior to this evening, I've told that story to very few people, for obvious reasons.
"Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose." John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
Thanks for sharing Deadhorse. It takes a BIG man person to own up to, or, admit their mistakes! I hope you can be made whole again by another deal that falls your way instead! Good luck! Ray
You only live life once, enjoy it like it's your last day. It just MIGHT be!
i think anyone who even paid should be shipped off to an island. why.... what a pain for everyone involved
anyone who thinks superior owes them something (other than an email explaining) should be on the same boat. if they wish to send you a book or discount a future purchase, that's up to them. everyone who sent payment would go on my block list
I seem to remember not putting a decimal in a bid once and ended up bidding like $2375.00 instead of the $23.75 I intended. There is an option to retract a bid which I had to do. I e-mailed the seller, told him what I had done and asked if he would allow me to re-bid on the item. He was very gracious and allowed that mistakes happen. Consideration should work both ways.
"Im not young enough to know everything." Oscar Wilde
Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
I put a comma in instead of a decimal once. It was a forum members auction so I asked them to cancel my bid so I could bid again. I didn't want a bid retraction in my record for something as dumb as that. There was no problem. Thank you TwoSides2aCoin,
<< <i>I put a comma in instead of a decimal once. It was a forum members auction so I asked them to cancel my bid so I could bid again. I didn't want a bid retraction in my record for something as dumb as that. There was no problem. Thank you TwoSides2aCoin, >>
I read one of TwoSides2aCoin's auctions wrong, and they cancelled my bids Thank you TwoSides2aCoin
-Ben T. * Collector of Errors! * Proud member of the CUFYNA
My dad told me about this. I asked him what's the difference in that and finding something for $1 at a garage sale or something? He said I should ask my question here too.
I mean the buyer knows what it's worth from both places. The only difference is that one seller does and one seller doesn't. So if you buy something for $1 from someone who doesn't know what it's worth it's a "great buy"? If you buy something from someone for $1 who knows how much it's worth but sells it anyway your a rat and a thief? I don't get it?
What Mr. Spock would say about numismatics... ... "Fascinating, but not logical"
<< <i>Top notch firms usually provide some kind of compensation for that kind of mistake. Usually in the form of a discount on a future purchase or some small gift. I am kind of shocked to hear just an apology was offered. Oh heck, just neg'em, you'll feel better. >>
I agree that top notch firms usually provide some sort of compensation for mistakes. It will be no shock or surprise if SGBH does not offer some form of compensation for its mistakes, if you follow my logic.
<< <i>My dad told me about this. I asked him what's the difference in that and finding something for $1 at a garage sale or something? He said I should ask my question here too.
I mean the buyer knows what it's worth from both places. The only difference is that one seller does and one seller doesn't. So if you buy something for $1 from someone who doesn't know what it's worth it's a "great buy"? If you buy something from someone for $1 who knows how much it's worth but sells it anyway your a rat and a thief? I don't get it? >>
I think it's different. It's between "willing" to sell for that price and "prying" it out of someone's hands.
By the way, aren't yard sales great? 90% of my non-coin posessions come from yard sales... even my 30G iPod and the digital camera came from yard sales You can say I'm a cheap person
-Ben T. * Collector of Errors! * Proud member of the CUFYNA
<< <i> I think it's different. It's between "willing" to sell for that price and "prying" it out of someone's hands. >>
But the buyer knows what it is worth both times. So even if someone is willing to give it to you for $1, isn't it wrong to pay that if you know how much it really is worth?
Isn't that what some people do at coin shops? People bring in coins and the buyer knows what it's worth but only pays what the people ask. I've heard that's wrong too.
What's the difference?
What Mr. Spock would say about numismatics... ... "Fascinating, but not logical"
I received the same generic email claiming a glitch in the computer system. It really wanted to see what Superiors reaction to the mess would be. Was I causing problems? Maybe. Of course, I know in my own mind, I would never NEG Superior for their screw-up. Im sure it was just entered incorrectly on turbo-lister. Ive done it before myself, but thats why you check auction listings before you upload them. I think Superior could have offered a better apology than what was received. Im sure they have no problem taking anyones money here, and if the ball was in their court, you and I would probably be paying for our mistakes. Anyhow, all in good fun. Maybe they will be more careful in their listings next time. I know as an Ebay seller, customers can be very difficult. I myself would have honered the price. But thats just me, or at least offered something in return for the mistake. Thats just good business. Oh and by the way, you guys who bought up all the other coins are troublemakers!
Collecting cleaned, scratched, scraped, AT and ugly POS coins for over 2 years now!
Ya know guys this was just last night. Superior is probally still trying to decide what went wrong and what to do about it. Heck, give them at least 24 hours before you start throwing stones.
<< <i>Has anyone let Superior know that probably most of the coins were bid on by forum members on this site ?
Ben you should frame that invoice.....
Ken >>
In the email I sent them I did mention that a great quantity of the coins were scooped up by CU forum members in order to stop them from being purchased by "others" that will try to hold them to the contract. I told them that in my opinion the CU boards have saved them a lot of hassle. No reply as of yet and I doubt if I will get one. That's ok though.
<< <i>I think anyone who even paid should be shipped off to an island. why.... what a pain for everyone involved
anyone who thinks superior owes them something (other than an email explaining) should be on the same boat. if they wish to send you a book or discount a future purchase, that's up to them. everyone who sent payment would go on my block list
give me a break people. >>
Go ahead and ad me to your block list then. I sent the payment. I wanted the receipt! I paid it knowing it would be refunded and the purchase would never go through. I didnt even bother looking at the coins or terms of service before I purchased the coins because I knew Superior would never let the sales go through (and I wouldnt expect them to either). How cool is this?
I do think they owe us something, a personalized thank you rather than a generic template email, after all we saved them a LOT of grief. I know of 3 members for sure that bought items last night and ended up with a total of 21 wins. That is 21 potential problems Superior could have had if it was not for us. I would be willing to bet (oops )that none of the forum members that purchased coins last night seriously expected to get the coins for $1 each. It was all in fun and you need to get over it.
Go ahead and ad me to your block list then. I sent the payment. I wanted the receipt! I paid it knowing it would be refunded and the purchase would never go through. I didnt even bother looking at the coins or terms of service before I purchased the coins because I knew Superior would never let the sales go through (and I wouldnt expect them to either). How cool is this?
I do think they owe us something, a personalized thank you rather than a generic template email, after all we saved them a LOT of grief. I know of 3 members for sure that bought items last night and ended up with a total of 21 wins. That is 21 potential problems Superior could have had if it was not for us. I would be willing to bet (oops )that none of the forum members that purchased coins last night seriously expected to get the coins for $1 each. It was all in fun and you need to get over it. >>
Well said Ben!
That invoice is a classic! You should frame it!
Collecting coins, medals and currency featuring "The Sower"
What would REALLY make all this interesting would be if one of the $1 buyers was previously someone who screwed up bidding on a Superior auction and Superior had held their feet to the flames....
<< <i>darned funny the rules don't seem to go both ways....... >>
I wonder if the same people who are supporting superior so vehemently would also support the other side of the shoe? A person mistypes a bid, it is too much (say by a decimal point or two), and wants to welsh on the deal.
I know that I don't expect superior to send out the items due to the mistake but I also wouldn't expect someone to pay them if they misbid by something just as drastic. (good luck getting a lawyer on me or scaring me with a neg in that instance as well).
Does that give me the right to declare the auction invalid? Of course not. You pick the format you want, you set up the auction to the best of your ability, and you abide by the terms of the agreement. I just got back from the post office mailing the coin off.
(Congratulations, by the way, if it was someone on the board. )
If you haven't noticed, I'm single and miserable and I've got four albums of bitching about it that I would offer as proof.
Way to go bhartman35. It takes a big person to admit they made a mistake on this forum and even a bigger one to "take-your-lumps" for that mistake. Glad to hear you did not use the bogus "computer glitch" excuse so many here apparently approve of. Better luck on your future transactions.
If anyone can tell me how to do better in my next auction, it'd be greatly appreciated. I just about broke even on the other coins I sold, but that one was a real disappointment.
If you haven't noticed, I'm single and miserable and I've got four albums of bitching about it that I would offer as proof.
Comments
<< <i>To answer gator 5220's question: YES, there ARE E-bay guidelines about these types of transactions. When you place a bid the page comes up and tells you that this is a BINDING contract you are making. The same thing goes for when you are listing an item. E-bay states that the seller assumes all responsibilities for the listing. That's why some of our unfortunate board members have lost out, BOTH, when buying and selling. How much does silver have to go up before one of our members has to go until he breaks even? OUCH! >>
Fortunately that was some time ago. When silver hits $58 an ounce I'll be even..........sort of. I forgot the shipping charges as I've mentally blocked that little adventure and then there is the inflation issue during that time frame.
Prior to this evening, I've told that story to very few people, for obvious reasons.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
anyone who thinks superior owes them something (other than an email explaining) should be on the same boat. if they wish to send you a book or discount a future purchase, that's up to them. everyone who sent payment would go on my block list
give me a break people.
Oscar Wilde
Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
Ben you should frame that invoice.....
Ken
so I asked them to cancel my bid so I could bid again. I didn't want a bid retraction
in my record for something as dumb as that. There was no problem.
Thank you TwoSides2aCoin,
<< <i>I put a comma in instead of a decimal once. It was a forum members auction
so I asked them to cancel my bid so I could bid again. I didn't want a bid retraction
in my record for something as dumb as that. There was no problem.
Thank you TwoSides2aCoin, >>
I read one of TwoSides2aCoin's auctions wrong, and they cancelled my bids
Thank you TwoSides2aCoin
I mean the buyer knows what it's worth from both places. The only difference is that one seller does and one seller doesn't. So if you buy something for $1 from someone who doesn't know what it's worth it's a "great buy"? If you buy something from someone for $1 who knows how much it's worth but sells it anyway your a rat and a thief? I don't get it?
"Live long and prosper"
My "How I Started" columns
<< <i>Top notch firms usually provide some kind of compensation for that kind of mistake. Usually in the form of a discount on a future purchase or some small gift. I am kind of shocked to hear just an apology was offered. Oh heck, just neg'em, you'll feel better. >>
I agree that top notch firms usually provide some sort of compensation for mistakes. It will be no shock or surprise if SGBH does not offer some form of compensation for its mistakes, if you follow my logic.
<< <i>My dad told me about this. I asked him what's the difference in that and finding something for $1 at a garage sale or something? He said I should ask my question here too.
I mean the buyer knows what it's worth from both places. The only difference is that one seller does and one seller doesn't. So if you buy something for $1 from someone who doesn't know what it's worth it's a "great buy"? If you buy something from someone for $1 who knows how much it's worth but sells it anyway your a rat and a thief? I don't get it?
I think it's different. It's between "willing" to sell for that price and "prying" it out of someone's hands.
By the way, aren't yard sales great? 90% of my non-coin posessions come from yard sales... even my 30G iPod and the digital camera came from yard sales
<< <i>You can say I'm a cheap person >>
The word is FRUGAL. Sounds much better!
CONECA #N-3446
<< <i>
I think it's different. It's between "willing" to sell for that price and "prying" it out of someone's hands.
>>
But the buyer knows what it is worth both times. So even if someone is willing to give it to you for $1, isn't it wrong to pay that if you know how much it really is worth?
Isn't that what some people do at coin shops? People bring in coins and the buyer knows what it's worth but only pays what the people ask. I've heard that's wrong too.
What's the difference?
"Live long and prosper"
My "How I Started" columns
I received the same generic email claiming a glitch in the computer system. It really wanted to see what Superiors reaction to the mess would be. Was I causing problems? Maybe. Of course, I know in my own mind, I would never NEG Superior for their screw-up. Im sure it was just entered incorrectly on turbo-lister. Ive done it before myself, but thats why you check auction listings before you upload them. I think Superior could have offered a better apology than what was received. Im sure they have no problem taking anyones money here, and if the ball was in
their court, you and I would probably be paying for our mistakes. Anyhow, all in good fun. Maybe they will be more careful in their listings next time. I know as an Ebay seller, customers can be very difficult. I myself would have honered the price. But thats just me, or at least offered something in return for the mistake. Thats just good business. Oh and by the way, you guys who bought up all the other coins are troublemakers!
<< <i>Has anyone let Superior know that probably most of the coins were bid on by forum members on this site ?
Ben you should frame that invoice.....
Ken >>
In the email I sent them I did mention that a great quantity of the coins were scooped up by CU forum members in order to stop them from being purchased by "others" that will try to hold them to the contract. I told them that in my opinion the CU boards have saved them a lot of hassle. No reply as of yet and I doubt if I will get one. That's ok though.
<< <i>I think anyone who even paid should be shipped off to an island. why.... what a pain for everyone involved
anyone who thinks superior owes them something (other than an email explaining) should be on the same boat. if they wish to send you a book or discount a future purchase, that's up to them. everyone who sent payment would go on my block list
give me a break people. >>
Go ahead and ad me to your block list then. I sent the payment. I wanted the receipt! I paid it knowing it would be refunded and the purchase would never go through. I didnt even bother looking at the coins or terms of service before I purchased the coins because I knew Superior would never let the sales go through (and I wouldnt expect them to either). How cool is this?
I do think they owe us something, a personalized thank you rather than a generic template email, after all we saved them a LOT of grief. I know of 3 members for sure that bought items last night and ended up with a total of 21 wins. That is 21 potential problems Superior could have had if it was not for us. I would be willing to bet (oops
<< <i>
Go ahead and ad me to your block list then. I sent the payment. I wanted the receipt! I paid it knowing it would be refunded and the purchase would never go through. I didnt even bother looking at the coins or terms of service before I purchased the coins because I knew Superior would never let the sales go through (and I wouldnt expect them to either). How cool is this?
I do think they owe us something, a personalized thank you rather than a generic template email, after all we saved them a LOT of grief. I know of 3 members for sure that bought items last night and ended up with a total of 21 wins. That is 21 potential problems Superior could have had if it was not for us. I would be willing to bet (oops
Well said Ben!
That invoice is a classic! You should frame it!
Sounds hypocritical to me, and I would not hold it against anyone who tried to enforce the ebay sale, regardless if it is a mistake or not...Mike
http://cgi.ebay.com/1961-U-S-Coin-Year-Set-Gift-Plaque_W0QQitemZ8400014622QQcategoryZ526QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
THEN it would be interesting
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
If I had it my way, stupidity would be painful!
<< <i>darned funny the rules don't seem to go both ways....... >>
I wonder if the same people who are supporting superior so vehemently would also support the other side of the shoe? A person mistypes a bid, it is too much (say by a decimal point or two), and wants to welsh on the deal.
I know that I don't expect superior to send out the items due to the mistake but I also wouldn't expect someone to pay them if they misbid by something just as drastic.
(good luck getting a lawyer on me or scaring me with a neg in that instance as well).
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I just got finished with an Ebay auction in which I completely screwed up. A coin which could have sold for $64 dollars ended up selling for $27:
Botched Auction
Does that give me the right to declare the auction invalid? Of course not. You pick the format you want, you set up the auction to the best of your ability, and you abide by the terms of the agreement. I just got back from the post office mailing the coin off.
(Congratulations, by the way, if it was someone on the board.
-- Adam Duritz, of Counting Crows
My Ebay Auctions
If anyone can tell me how to do better in my next auction, it'd be greatly appreciated. I just about broke even on the other coins I sold, but that one was a real disappointment.
-- Adam Duritz, of Counting Crows
My Ebay Auctions