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POLL: Which of these two coins is graded Ultra Cameo?

RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
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Coin #1:
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Coin #2:
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These two coins are from the same submission and were graded back-to-back. Setting aside for a moment that neither looks UCAM, one was graded as such. Which one is it?

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin #1 looks closer, but it falls short of Ultra Cameo IMO.
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    #2 Looks like it has nicer mirrors.
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  • eyoung429eyoung429 Posts: 6,374 ✭
    Coin #1 The letters say it all.....btw...are these b4 pics of prepping or how the coins were actually submitted?

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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    #2, the UST has frost where it is not present in #1. Same thing with the last 6 in the date.
  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    They blew it big time.
  • amercoinamercoin Posts: 350 ✭✭
    Coin 3 the first two don't make the grade.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    i voted #2. i am curious what it is.
  • coinman420coinman420 Posts: 4,666 ✭
    # 2 looks like it has more frosting on cameo and lettering.
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i># 2 looks like it has more frosting on cameo and lettering. >>



    My thinking exactly so it must have been coin #1. image
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  • AU58WALKERSAU58WALKERS Posts: 3,562 ✭
    coin 2
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  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    I vote #1.
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  • stephunterstephunter Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭
    #1
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Coin #1 has much whiter devices and crappy mirrors. I'd be cheesed if I bought either as Ucam, but I'm a mirrors guy, so I like #2 better, even though NGC gave #1 the designation.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you don't know, I sure don't know. And maybe NGC doesn't know either.
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    I would say #1, but it is really a Cameo only.
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  • 50cents50cents Posts: 1,320
    I voted #1
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    two
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  • ModernDollarNutModernDollarNut Posts: 886
    #2 because the date has stronger cameo and aren't we taught that the date is an important focal point? Participating only because Russ has so much to teach, as this is, I think, a guessing game? since it appears neither should get UC.
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  • TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,054 ✭✭✭
    COIN #1

    TC71

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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Coin #3. image

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  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
    Mechanical error. You need to send it back for reholdering.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,357 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know, but perhaps both of them were alittle short...

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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    # 2
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • AZLARRYAZLARRY Posts: 1,189 ✭✭
    Coin 2
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  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I voted #2. A touch more frost and slightly deeper mirrors.

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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I'll say #2, due to the better mirrors...... but this makes me feel worse about third party grading....
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  • AuldFartteAuldFartte Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭
    According to what I learned from you, neither one should be U-CAM - but, since one was graded such, I'll go with #1 because the legends appear to be just a bit frostier than those on #2.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Coin #1 is graded MS66CAM, and sold for $42. Coin #2 is graded MS66UCAM and went "not sold" with a seller's buyback at $500.

    There has been a truckload of NGC graded UCAM SMS Kennedys appearing on Teletrade over the past few weeks, and the majority of them look like gift grades. A submitter or two seems to have gotten lucky.

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  • GemineyeGemineye Posts: 5,374 ✭
    Well I went with 2.......
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,166 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Coin #3. imageimage >>

    Tease!

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