I have a great deal of respect for both TDN and Russ. If Russ happens to make an Obscene Profit™ on the coins, then more power to him!!
Always took candy from strangers Didn't wanna get me no trade Never want to be like papa Working for the boss every night and day --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
<< <i>I don't like being put into the position of 'bashing moderns' as I truly do believe that people should collect what they want ... >>
Really? Then what was the point to you even posting in this thread? I guess my happiness at getting a couple upgrades for my collection forced you in to the position of bashing moderns?
Hear that sound? It's the echo from the hollowness of your words.
My last post on the subject: collect what you want but be aware that the underpops are a hazard to the value of what you collect. This is true no matter what era your collecting interest lies in.... however, some eras have more underpops [and designations] to worry about.
<< <i>My last post on the subject: collect what you want but be aware that the underpops are a hazard to the value of what you collect. This is true no matter what era your collecting interest lies in.... however, some eras have more underpops [and designations] to worry about. >>
Sound advice based on reasonable logic.
Unfortunutely there are collectors with their eyes squinted closed and thier fingers in their ears yelling, "nananananananananana, I can't hear you!!!!" as you offer it.
I've thought a lot about why modern vs. classic collecting has stirred up so much animosity and conflict, and the comments about class earlier have been on my mind. One of the great dividers in this country (or with people in general) is with regard to socio-economic class divisions- and I've suspected that there is a strong component of wealthy guy vs. average joe that comes up when people clash and bash about moderns and classics. Does anybody see the same thing?
My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
<< <i>I've thought a lot about why modern vs. classic collecting has stirred up so much animosity and conflict, and the comments about class earlier have been on my mind. One of the great dividers in this country (or with people in general) is with regard to socio-economic class divisions- and I've suspected that there is a strong component of wealthy guy vs. average joe that comes up when people clash and bash about moderns and classics. Does anybody see the same thing? >>
No disrespect, but, without knowing the financial well-being of the individuals in the discussion, it is impossible to assume that this is the case (person with a great deal of money vs. a person with less money). If your statement is a metaphor for the classic collectors vs. the modern collectors, it may work on some level. But, you would be assuming that one side would be the East Eggers and one side would be the West Eggers. I haven't seen any indication that someone that buys a pop-top modern for $5,000 can't (or has not already) purchased a $5,000 Draped Bust coin. Conversely, a classic collector who collects circulated seated material may not be able to afford a $5,000 pop top modern. Who would you assume, in your statement, is the wealthy guy, and who is the average Joe? Why?
<< <i>One of the great dividers in this country (or with people in general) is with regard to socio-economic class divisions- and I've suspected that there is a strong component of wealthy guy vs. average joe >>
For me, it has nothing to do with class division. In fact, I have tremendous admiration and respect for TDN's accomplishments, both in the business world and the world of numismatics. I cheer those in this country who have made it through hard work and dedication, and believe that we all should do so.
Rather, it is that I simply will not stand for being patronized by anyone, regardless of how successful they may be. I don't need somebody to pat me on the head with the admonishment that I should be careful because what I collect may not be worth as much tomorrow as it is today.
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Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
<< <i>I don't like being put into the position of 'bashing moderns' as I truly do believe that people should collect what they want ... >>
Really? Then what was the point to you even posting in this thread? I guess my happiness at getting a couple upgrades for my collection forced you in to the position of bashing moderns?
Hear that sound? It's the echo from the hollowness of your words.
Russ, NCNE
If its a keeper there is no Cha Ching !
<< <i>My last post on the subject: collect what you want but be aware that the underpops are a hazard to the value of what you collect. This is true no matter what era your collecting interest lies in.... however, some eras have more underpops [and designations] to worry about. >>
Sound advice based on reasonable logic.
Unfortunutely there are collectors with their eyes squinted closed and thier fingers in their ears yelling, "nananananananananana, I can't hear you!!!!" as you offer it.
I don't bother with designation reviews.
I mearly accept that PCGS got it wrong, and sell the coins to the nice people on eBay for $3.95
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BTW, Russ, congrats on the upgrades. Sure is fun looking at the end result/product of your efforts.
<< <i>I've thought a lot about why modern vs. classic collecting has stirred up so much animosity and conflict, and the comments about class earlier have been on my mind. One of the great dividers in this country (or with people in general) is with regard to socio-economic class divisions- and I've suspected that there is a strong component of wealthy guy vs. average joe that comes up when people clash and bash about moderns and classics. Does anybody see the same thing? >>
No disrespect, but, without knowing the financial well-being of the individuals in the discussion, it is impossible to assume that this is the case (person with a great deal of money vs. a person with less money). If your statement is a metaphor for the classic collectors vs. the modern collectors, it may work on some level. But, you would be assuming that one side would be the East Eggers and one side would be the West Eggers. I haven't seen any indication that someone that buys a pop-top modern for $5,000 can't (or has not already) purchased a $5,000 Draped Bust coin. Conversely, a classic collector who collects circulated seated material may not be able to afford a $5,000 pop top modern. Who would you assume, in your statement, is the wealthy guy, and who is the average Joe? Why?
https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/collectors-showcase/world-coins/one-coin-per-year-1600-2017/2422
But what do i collect ?
Is it Modern Crap ™ 1954-1958 and smoe 1991 coins for my son Or is it
Classic Crap ™ 1857 in affordable grades ?
Im so confused !
Russ got a couple nice up grades for his personal stash and just wanted to show em,thats all !
Let it die.
<< <i>One of the great dividers in this country (or with people in general) is with regard to socio-economic class divisions- and I've suspected that there is a strong component of wealthy guy vs. average joe >>
For me, it has nothing to do with class division. In fact, I have tremendous admiration and respect for TDN's accomplishments, both in the business world and the world of numismatics. I cheer those in this country who have made it through hard work and dedication, and believe that we all should do so.
Rather, it is that I simply will not stand for being patronized by anyone, regardless of how successful they may be. I don't need somebody to pat me on the head with the admonishment that I should be careful because what I collect may not be worth as much tomorrow as it is today.
Russ, NCNE
In the field of coin collecting you may be arrogant. You may be ignorant. But, it is unbecoming to be both at the same time.