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Poll: Do you purchase coins in auction for over $1000...

RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
without seeing the coin or having a trusted representative (collector friend or dealer) view the coin in person?

Danger, Will Robinson!

And if so, what has been your experience? In the past, when I was stupid and bold, I ended up with a lot of crappy coins this way. Now, I am just stupid and occasionally bid on expensive auction coins just to remind myself why I am no longer bold. image

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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    no, I only bid on cheaper stuff without advice, like some brown MS indian cents.
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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    I do, never really had a problem either---------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    I've bid on manyimage, and have won very fewimage
    image...There's always time for coin collecting. image
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    i never bought a coin from auction that cost that much.
    what i am worrying more about lately, is buying a > 1000
    dollar coin and not liking it.

    then return it and ask to view another. then return it
    and ask to view another... :-/

    that is the problem with really rare coins.
    you want to get your money's worth when you spend 2500.
    you do not want a slab that says xf45 when your coin is
    a xf40 seven days a week.
  • I do, but only if there is a stated return policy and I can pay via credit card. credit card companies have bailed me out on more than one occasion...once when paypal was being a d*ck.image The lady at my Visa said "We will take care of paypal!!!" image
    Gary
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  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #1
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    I am somewhat surprised by the results so far.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    fatman,

    i am not surprised at all. the amount of people talking about
    a dealer viewing there coins is about 3 in 10.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am somewhat surprised by the results so far.

    Likewise.
  • TONEDDOLLARSTONEDDOLLARS Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm amazed at those who would buy from an auction without seeing the coin in person or from a trusted source. If I can not see the coin in person then I have at least threee sets of eyes look at it for me. Each without the other knowing.
  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭
    I usually am buying very expensive coins in auction...if I don't see them I make sure a VERY trusted dealer does!

    I have also had the coins sent to me well in advance of the auction...that's the optimum situation.

    I bought one sight unseen in my early days and was disappointed...I traded it for a better coin for a very small price months later.
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  • Done it and will do it again as long as the pictures are clear & large enough to make a semi-intelligent decision.... and I trust the auction house(dealer) to do it. Teletrade is not on that list. DLRC is on that list.
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Trust thyself. This is not a team hobby. Win or Crash with your own decisions. Thats what mom said to do in life and I trust her judgement much more than a dealers judgement.

    The results, at this time, do not suprise me at all

    image

    Ken
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,502 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I collect by die marriage (bust half dimes), so if I am lucky enough to find a decent R-6 or identifiable R-7, it is an easy trigger to pull...especially if the coin has not yet been attributed. I prefer to have a representative to report on the coin, but that is not always possible (e.g. ebay).
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    I would never bother 3 people to go look at a $1000 coin for me, I would think they had better things to do---------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am somewhat surprised by the results so far.

    Well, there's at least one vote that shouldn't be there [and most likely more]

    I only read the title of the thread and then voted too quickly before reading the first post or the poll title. image
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    I would never bother 3 people to go look at a $1000 coin for me, I would think they had better things to do

    how much does the coin have to value before you do consider
    dropping hundreds of dollars on sets of eyes?
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, there's at least one vote that shouldn't be there [and most likely more]

    I only read the title of the thread and then voted too quickly before reading the first post or the poll title.


    Sign in as two of your alts, one to "cancel" your previous vote and one to register the correct vote.

    I was surprised to see you vote the way you did. image It violated the TDN 10,000 post 10 Commandments™:
    #5. Thou shalt not bid in auction sight unseen.
  • librtyheadlibrtyhead Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭
    #1 if the coin is nice and I need it why not?never had a problem.
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would never bother 3 people to go look at a $1000 coin for me, I would think they had better things to do

    how much does the coin have to value before you do consider
    dropping hundreds of dollars on sets of eyes? >>



    It depends how undervalued I think the coin is. I bought a coin off the internet image for 15700 and turned down a 20,000+ profit on it the other day-------------------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bought this PCGS 35 off eBay sight unseen from board member Mark Glicker!! Not a lot of risk here IMO.

    image

    Bought this nice PCGS 62 sight unseen from the Heritage FUN auction a couple years ago. Had friend of a friend type info that it would probly go for 63 money, which it did.

    image

    Got this > $1,000 95-O PCGS 53 offa eBay. Not a really great buy but not a screwjob either.

    image

    Picked up this nice PCGS 63 green label 96-S BEFORE it got hot and could easily sell it for more than twice what I paid I think.

    image

    So yeah, I have rolled the dice a few times and so far I'm doin ok. image
    theknowitalltroll;
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Markglicker (and others that offer a return privilige) do not count. I am talking about Heritage, ANR, and ebayers that do not have a (reasonable) return privilige.
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Yep, shame on you wimpy guys that need someone else to make a decision for youimage-------------------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most often on ebay. image

    Bought one of my favorite patterns, a J211 in PCGS P66 pop. 1/0. Decided to trust PCGS on that one.

    Bought a 1856 FE cent, PCGS MS64. It turned out to be a nice coin.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    i am seeing a pattern here of people trusting PCGS not
    to screw them sight unseen.

    it is almost like that was the original purpose of the outfit?
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,302 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I find that I can buy coins sight-unseen and more ofthen than not make money, but I've never bought a sight-unseen coin that I loved enough to keep in my collection.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • taxbuster1040taxbuster1040 Posts: 344 ✭✭✭
    I have bought numerous coins both from dealers, initially, and more recently as i have gotten more grading experience, sight unseen at Heritage or Bowers and Merena auctions. Cant' say i see much difference in my Dealer coins and althought i do not consider myself an expert grader, I believe I would know a coin that was more than 1 or 2 grades overgraded. I don't think that has happenned when I have bid at Heritage. One question i do have, is that i always enjoy participating in the "guess the grades" here on this forum. After 2 years of playing this game here, I think i have a handle on grading by pictures posted. I am usually right on target. If this is considered "sight unseen" by you guys, why do you even bother playing this game?
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If this is considered "sight unseen" by you guys, why do you even bother playing this game?

    I do it for fun. I would not stake my $$$ on it.
  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Andy Lustig about summed up my experiences. I have never bought a drop dead keeper from a photo.
    Have a nice day
  • ccexccex Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    I am not yet able to buy four-figure coins, sight-unseen or otherwise. However, most of my collection is from bidding on photos posted online, with most of the expensive coins picked up at shows, where I can examine them in person. So far, I have been more disappointed with Heritage and Teletrade than with eBay sellers I have met through this forum or previous auction experiences.
    "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity" - Hanlon's Razor
  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,044 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I find that I can buy coins sight-unseen and more often than not make money, but I've never bought a sight-unseen coin that I loved enough to keep in my collection. >>



    Bingo. Although I tend to play more in the $100 - $1,000 range at this kind of thing, this has also been my experience. I can only think of one exception, an absolutely drop-dead gorgeous Morgan I got off of Teletrade very cheaply. The picture was terrible. I saw clues that it was probably nicer than it looked, and bought it thinking I'd flip it for a quick 20% return. I opened the package and -- dang! I'll never need another Morgan dollar.

    mirabela
  • MercuryMercury Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭✭
    I have only bought one coin at auction in this price range and I was very happy with it.

    Mercury
    Collecting Peace Dollars and Modern Crap.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Not my price range but I have bought dozens of coin less than that. I suppose if I wanted a puttied gold coin or an AT peace dollar I know which trusted dealers to contact. image

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