Anyone collect $1 gold?

Lakesammman

Well?

originalisbest

For type, anyway. Teensy little things.

BaronVonBaugh

I would like to, but every time I start thinking about it I remember how pricey they are.

FatMan

I have a type I. Need a type II and III to complete my Dahlonega type set.

TwoSides2aCoin

Not me... not yet. I have had a few, but they are just so small. I would think there must have been millions of them lost in the "old days".

My girlfriend has an 1854 with a nick in the reverse field that kept me from submitting so I put it in a bezel... it looks good on her.

kiyote

I considered it once-- the thing I like about the Indian Princess head series is that there's no "Stoppers" that are impossible to get. Yeah, the 1861D is pricey, but $6,000-$10,000 for a nice, problem free circulated example isn't impossible. Not like the 1913 Liberty Head nickel or 1854S quarter eagle.

originalisbest

I would agree that it's less of an impossibilty, affordability-wise, but still too rich for my blood and nothing I would pursue. Just like I ain't gonna spend 4 g's on a smooth '01-S quarter. That would make for a great metal detector find, however.

oreville

Childs play.

This is from the Childs collection. This is an 1880.

originalisbest

You're going to get some newbie all excited at the beautiful design, only to disappoint them when they discover how small the things are.

Lakesammman

Oreville:

Nice coin!

I'm thinking of buying one but they are SO small.

neocirrhitus

Slowly building a complete set of them.

drwstr123

Just bought a Capital double gold type set holder. Holey bat-crap Robin! Just try to handle a1$ type !.

RYK

I'm thinking of buying one but they are SO small.

I am ambivalent toward them. I have owned as many as five in the past and currently own but one. I really do like the designs (especially Type II and III) but other than for type, cannot figure out how to fit them into my collection.

Yeah, the 1861D is pricey, but $6,000-$10,000 for a nice, problem free circulated example isn't impossible.

In the 3 1/2 years since I have been looking, there has not been one available that is "nice" and in that price range--or in that price range at all, for that matter. Heritage last sold one for under $10,000 in 1998, an uncertified one. Maybe not impossible, but next-to-impossible for certain. Add the 1855-D to the same category.

jabba

I have a 1851 $1G for my gold type set but I might end up with more some day.

oreville

Here is a lovely $1 round California Fractional gold piece from the Jay Roe collection. It uses the Indian princess design.

This is an awesome piece that is the only recognized design that actually used the term "token" in fear of governmental seizures.

This is a pop 4 coin with one finer.

jdimmick

I dont currently have one in inventory, but I buy them on occasion if nice and the price is really good. They are not very popular sellers with the exception of a gold type collector. There just to small for people to like, and a set that no one date assembles.

Intrestingly, a small tribal group here in North Carolina where one of my plants is located really love to buy the Ty II/III's due to the Indian design. When I do buy those types, I usually end up selling it to one of the members in the tribal council.

jim

michael

only for type but if you get a later date thst is wildly and this is rare really rare wildly colored due to an improper alloy mixture and it is intense lustre

monster intense lustre as it is a gem or higher then you gots a coin that might be small in stature but it one of the largest gold coins you can buy for

rarity
beauty
low mintage
value
opportunity

and to top it all off if ....IF you get a coin as per the above it will be so beautiful and eye popping it will jump out at you and it will actually look yes LOOK as big as a ten dollar gold piece


pcgs does certify these coins and on occasion you can find them but again they are really scarce should not use rare here as no coin is actually rare..................

now usually from my limited experiences the last 4 decades in the numismatic marketplace specializing in as such i have found that these coins usually are mostly but not all the times but mostly confined to the later date gold type three dollars the later date after 1877 three dollar gold and the saints and sometimes the ten dollar indians

and of cure they are highly noticeable before they lose their lustre and start to put on wear you usually see then in their best advantage and light in really choice +++++++ to gem to superb gem mintstate and with monster lustre showing the lilac and deep orange gold coloration

now of course with an alloy of 10% gold you will more often then not get some wildly colored original non dipped gold in gem of many different years and gold types in choice and gem unc mintstate that are intensly colored in deep orange gold coloration and these are extremely beautiful and these if found undipped are rare!!!!!!!!!!!!! dipping aint bad but to find a monster eye appeal original coin with this look is rare

now the colored gold as per the improper alloy mixture as per the above that is again found most allof the time in the later dated type three one dollar gold coins the later dated threes after 1877 and the saints and ten indians in minstate and this deep intense red/orange yellow gold mostly orange coloration is highlighted by this intense lilac coloration and is extremely scarce and totally misunderstood by most all of the collecting community and with this lilac this is extremely beautiful can can always be cherry picked if you can find it as being not ever seen and hence misundertood as if collectors see it they never seen it bedfoe misunderstand it and hence fear it which is good for the advanced colored gold specialist

and yes pcgs certifys these coins all of the time as they know and understand these coins as such it is actually a no brainer for dealers who deal in lots of gold coinage

now this is for me at leas not seen as much if at all in 1860 to 1877 gold as the alloy was still 90% gold but usually more often than not the copper alloy was 7% with 3% silver so this leads to a more bright white coloration.......... well i need to show you it is hard to put into words here and since i have no photos i cant show you............of course original never dipped gold even from this era will take on this orange gold coloration red orange but not to the extent of the improper alloy mixture gold coins of after 1877 to the saints and indians that due to an improper alloy mixture things dont get stirred up that well so to speak and the copper leaches more to the surface and you get this intense lilac coloration along with the deep orange red gold coloration you see on some gem gold with intense lustre as after the coin starts getting cleaned and worn and loses its lustre it generally starts to disappear

again this is all general statements there are always exceptions to the rules

and i forgot to mention as per the above since my speciality is not type three twenty dollar gold i cant say if this happens from my experiences with these coins i am sure it does!!?? but i cant say as i never seen as such but since i never look at type three twenty dollar gold i have no idea

RYK

There has been a rumor (? announcement) that there will be a book published on the series as part of ANR's Pedigrees Series of books. This could ignite interest in the series...or not. It certainly helped boost interest in $3's.

ms71

Have collected them for several years. I love the design of the Type III, and the very low mintages on a lot of them that aren't terribly pricey is another factor that figures in. The lack of popularity doesn't bother me; in fact, it makes it possible for me to pursue them.

fc

after looking at all the gold denominations i passed $1's
up as simply to small to look at with the naked eye and enjoy.

i would even venture to bet it went out of production for
that very reason?

mirabela

I have just one, a type III for type. It is one of my favorite coins. I have owned a type I in the past, but it is gone now. I will acquire another eventually, as well as a type II. I like the type III the best, as it is a little bigger & the design fits the coin a little better. As far as assembling a group or set of them? Nah. I don't have the bucks for that, and probably never will. If I did, I still probably wouldn't do it.

Cladiator

All this talk about "too small to collect", geez. Makes a half dime collector a bit self concious

tradedollarnut

I have one .... an 1874 in old holder MS67. I like it!

ziggy29

I've looked for a nice one that's not a Type 2 for a while for my type set, and I haven't quite found the right piece.

Most of the gold dollars I find are Type 2s, which sell for over a grand. They are a ridiculously overrated type in choice AU. I see more Type 2s than the far cheaper Type 1s and Type 3s combined.

MrEureka

tradedollarnut

Nice MS64, Andy!

techeff

Nice MS68, Andy!

TwoSides2aCoin

<< <i>Have collected them for several years. I love the design of the Type III, and the very low mintages on a lot of them that aren't terribly pricey is another factor that figures in. The lack of popularity doesn't bother me; in fact, it makes it possible for me to pursue them. >>




someone's in a driver's seat and I like your thinking.

jim, that is the coolest thing with the tribal pursuit of these pieces. I find that refreshing.
Oh, and kiyote, did ya notice who showed up when you mentioned 1913 Liberty Head nickel ?
laura, good day to you.
orville...thanks for all your posts, they keep me interested
michael... awesome analysis...it is cool that you share your knowledge, like so many other dealers on the boards. it gives me renewed faith in the integrity of "the business owners".
nice one andy
russ, I am not a buttkisser.... I just think knowledgeable numismatists that hang out together, ought to be able to keep threads like this moving along without throwing insults.


Mr Hall, thanks again to you and your staff for making specific learning environments for all collectors of "FINE THINGS".


happy saturday ya'll ~ and happy hunting.
you too, Fats, Lakesammman, RYK and jabba... and everyone else who happens along

JrGMan2004

I have thought about collecting true slider AU58 Gold Dollars... but have never had the money to really do it, and I would also need to hunt shows and see them in hand...

ms71

The "sliders"; i.e., choice AU58s, seem to me to be some of the best bargains around. Really sharply struck or prooflike type 3s are out there as AU58s, and they are very attractive & rerasonably priced. On the type 2s, as someone mentioned, most of what I would call AU58s are in MS60-62 holders, and most of those in AU holders look more like XFs. I have seen strongly struck higher MS specimens, and this would seem to nullify an argument that "these are always weak, so it makes sense to assign grades out of line with appearance". At least 90% of the lower MS specimens I have seen in TPG holders I wouldn't call true MS.

RYK

To me, a complete set of gold dollars would be long and tedious (perhaps its my short attention span or lack of patience). If you throw out the one true stopper (49-C Open Wreath), there are still over 75 issues, most of which are relatively common. Size aside, I would still probably not collect these as a complete date/MM set, but it certainly is a worthy pursuit.

I could, however, see breaking off the Dahlonega or Charlotte piece and assembling a date set of these someday. Perhaps when Laura's #1 and #2 buy the 55-D and 61-D pieces from the Duke's Creek Collection, their placeholder XFs will drop down to me.

michael

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michael... awesome analysis...it is cool that you share your knowledge, like so many other dealers on the boards. it gives me renewed faith in the integrity of "the business owners

thanks kiddo i appreciate it......... ........ i am not a dealer never have been most probably never will be

i am just a coin nut that loves the hobby for study

and buyer education to collectors of coins so they can make better decisions for themselves as collectors from hypesters and hucksters that usually take away from the hobby and give nothing back but lost money and crappy coins to less seasoned collectors