Opinions on this raw seated dollar

stev32k

This just arrived and it's a little beat up, but I paid an appropriate price for it's condition. Any seated dollar guys out there have any comments on the coin. I guessing it would grade about VF30 - maybe XF40. It does have a nick in reverse rim that detracts a little, but it does not appear to have been cleaned.

billboat

I'm not a seated dollar guy--but IMHO its been cleaned. I'd agree with 30-35 for the obverse and 40-45 for the reverse--which is great except for the chunk out of the rim.

TwoSides2aCoin

This coin looks suspect to me. First of all, I don't believe it would make any grade with that chunk out of the rim on the reverse. Then the rusty color in the recesses of that gouge makes me wonder if it is even silver, however.... I am not an expert, but I'd put on the label "Not Genuine".

Kick me softly if I'm wrong

tradedollarnut

Something just doesn't look right with that coin .... perhaps it's your image.

JadeRareCoin

COUNTERFEIT

JRocco

I am not a seated guy either, but I believe that coin has been cleaned also- As for that rim hit---it is a bad one

JJM

intresting...........

RYK

Nice coin for a Dansco 7070; nicer than the one I chose. I do not think you are going to compete for the PCGS Registry #1 Set of All Time™ with it, however.

ziggy29

Looks like it may be one of those Asian fakes to me. Raw seated dollars and trade dollars should ALWAYS viewed with extreme skepticism and caution.

TwoSides2aCoin

<< <i>Looks like it may be one of those Asian fakes to me. Raw seated dollars and trade dollars should ALWAYS viewed with extreme skepticism and caution. >>



ziggy for president I wanted to say that , but I didn't want to offend, zig.

Merc

That coin is not the real deal! Sorry, there is a huge number of these out of Asia. It looks like a real seated dollar was used to make the copy. Much of the detail was lost in the process. This "coin' has almost no wear but the details are very faint. Plus there are strange wavy areas in the field around Liberty.

NumisOxide

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I agree. Are those bubbles in the obverse lower field? It just doesn't look right.

JadeRareCoin

It is a cast. The dentilation is wrong, not to mention the stars and the numerous casting surface flaws. The rim mark at 10:00 on the reverse is probably where the gate in the mold is located. jmho

Merc

Jade, I see what you mean, it is a cast copy.

RYK

Du-oh, don't buy a raw seated dollar from me.

stev32k

Dang - you guys are good! The coin is counterfeit. It's one of a group of 26 counterfeits I just received. They include Trade Dollars, Seated dollars, Morgans, and even piece dollars. I started on a project to collect and photograph counterfeit Trade Dollars. While searching the internet I came across a collector in Australia that served in Viet Nam. While there he picked several hundred pounds of counterfeits that were circulating freely during that time.

I don't think expert collectors would be fooled, but a novice would. There are several things wrong with them - the first is the weight. I've only weighed 6 of them so far but they all weighed between 23.3 grams and 24.2 grams. The next most obvious thing is that the obverse and reverse are 180 degrees out of alignment. I'll put up more pictures when I get the chance.

291fifth

Another example of why not to buy a raw seated dollar.

TwoSides2aCoin

and to add to what jade said, look at the porosity on liberty's face and arm.
My suggestion is to first weigh it, then flip the coin and compare the sound to any known silver dollar. You will usually find that the coin is much lighter.

Excellent Post and I am very glad someone touched on this. People need to keep a sharp eye out for these. They are frequently on ebay.

ebaytrader

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Word.

Merc

stev32k,
Good to hear that you didn't get stuck with an expensive fake coin.