Can anyone here afford this Pujols card? BGS 10
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Have not figured out how to do links yet. However, the eBay auction # is 8770123093.
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Here is another I thought was kinda high
87 Fleer
When my wife opens the mortgage statement a couple of months from now, she is gonna FLIP!.
This is PROOF POSITIVE that when it comes to getting your cards graded, PSA is the way to go. Nuff said!
By the way, I also think it's disgusting that people throw good money at BGS items.
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your so stupid you dont even no what your talking about
this spring training he tears his acl and has subsequent panic attacks that prevent him from simply picking up a baseball bat.
$30k = mud butt now
Julen
RIP GURU
Julen
RIP GURU
I love the qote on the card "I'm proud of myself for having a good year, but I don't expect to get so many honors."
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
Don't really follow baseball much anymore.
Is Pujols the best player now or something ?
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<< <i>Pff. I'd NEVER buy something like this, but I'd sure sell it in a heart beat.
I love the qote on the card "I'm proud of myself for having a good year, but I don't expect to get so many honors." >>
I wouldn't spend it either-- but at least this card has a chance to appreciate at some point. Anyone who's paying to get '80's commons graded, for instance (86 Fleer hoops excepted), is literally flushing money down the toilet, since there's NO chance you'll ever recoup the grading fees on those.
The price seems high, but hey--- collect what you can afford. If you've got the money for this card God bless you. Assuming money isn't an object it can't be any dumber than slabbing a mass produced set from the 1980's.
I guess I've become too attached to living with a roof over my head.
Oh!...and eating!
$30k.....when was Pujols elected to the HOF? (Jose Canseco, Frank Thomas, Darryl Strawberry, Albert Belle, Ron Kittle, Don Mattingly, Dale Murphy, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGuire).
Help me out here guys - who else was heading for greatness and ended up missing by a bit?
Pujols is darn good today and no head case, but one injury, or just a little slowing of bat speed.....
Hall of Famers from all 4 sports
For one thing, it's absurd that a card can be resubmitted and it get bumped up to a 10. It's also absurd that people are willing to pay that much more for that 10. I would rather have a nine and keep the rest of the money for other cards. ABSURD IT IS!!!
Shane
Gimme 4 of them BGS 10 Pujolses!!
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<< <i>Where were you guys when some guy paid $125,000 for a PSA 10 Tiger Woods Sports Illustrated card?
Gimme 4 of them BGS 10 Pujolses!! >>
DBH, I hadn't even discovered PSA yet. For that matter, I hadn't even begun graduate school yet!!!
<< <i>interesting take on the subject >>
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That really was a good read over on the Beckett boards, Steve. Thanks for posting the link.
I genuinely feel bad for the guys who wrapped up thousands of dollars in BGS slabs in the last five years, only to see BGS loosen their standards and start passing out 10's like Halloween candy. And I don't want to hear any of that 'the cards come out of the pack in nicer shape nowadays' B.S. The cards were coming out clean 5 and 10 years ago as well, but in 2000 BGS 10's were as scarce as hen's teeth. I think it's fair to presume that Beckett has started dishing out these pristine grades in order to generate more market interest in their card grading, as you'll notice that the 10's really started appearing once the prices for 9.5's came down to the level of PSA 10's.
It's really a shame, and too many collectors who already hold 9.5 slabs are just going to get torched by this development. As if losing 60-80 percent of the purchase price for a box of cards once you bust the box isn't bad enough, now modern guys need to worry about 'third party graders' corrupting the scarcity of their slabbed cards. No wonder so many guys drift off from the hobby and never return.
1) right hand edge is off bad
2) the blue line isn't on par as being straight either...
PSA 9 or EVID TRIM
If this isn't enough to make BGS grading questionable, along with this Pujols card and a few others by Mr. "BGSBrad" - then I don't know what is.
<< <i>Yikes - I just read that Beckett thread again. In the scans, a scan is provided of a 2003 Topps Chrome Lebron James RC. I am extremely familiar with this card, as I opened several cases of this product back in 2003, and graded several James RC's with PSA. The one shown as a Pristine 10
If this isn't enough to make BGS grading questionable, along with this Pujols card and a few others by Mr. "BGSBrad" - then I don't know what is. >>
I agree. The scans that the Beckett Forums member posted were absolutely incriminating. My wife doesn't know much about grading but could clearly see the fact that the centering on those BGS 10's were atrocious.
Fascinating read.
Thanks for sharing Steve!
<< <i>this card has some problems on the right hand side! looks trimmed to me...
1) right hand edge is off bad
2) the blue line isn't on par as being straight either...
PSA 9 or EVID TRIM >>
Your lines aren't straight. Look at the left edge-- your line runs into the card. So of course there's going to be space on the right side.
There really isn't any difference between 9's and 10's, but that card would have just as good of a chance of ending up in a PSA 10 holder as any other.
Shane
I would like to let you Know something abouth Beckett grading. i talk to a GAI Grading service repres. and he say GAI grab the (3) best Grader from BGS.
So the cream grader are gone from Beckett and they are now working for GAI.
Well that erxplains it!
Steve
I am far from an expert, but...
More than the card being crooked in the sleeve, and hence crooked in the scan...
That is the shortest card I have seen in a BGS holder, both height and width. The crack-outs I have performed almost took a razor blade to get the card out of the sleeve. On this card, it wouldn't be any problem getting a scissors in there to cut it free.
Not that the current card owner is the guilty party....
<< <i>I don't think the card is trimmed. I think it's a legitimate PSA 10, but I doubt it's worth 10X a PSA 10 as BGS 10. >>
Standing by my original post.
I saw that, but beckett's top grader has been there for a long time. I guess any grader they hire is the "best" from whatever grading company he came from? They used to say the same thing about psa, but not too many psa fans have been happy with their grading. I've heard a lot more reports of cards getting graded by gai and then rejected by bgs/bvg or psa than vice versa.
Cool, so we can all start sending our trimmed cards to GAI.
These sub bumps are nothing new with BGS. I've seen it done many times and have a friend that consistently does it with 50% of the time going in his favor. About a year ago, he purchased a
1989 OPC Joe Sakic with subs of 9.5 cen/10/10 edges/9.5 surface. He sent the card back with 2 other Sakics that were slabbed 9.5 and a letter explaining that the centering was perfect front and back and showed his measuring numbers. Card came back a 10 (1st one) and he made an $8K profit and is now enjoying his new HD 55 inch TV, new furniture, and appliances. BTW, he did get another Sakic 10 (same scenario) and the 2nd one sold for over $4K.
There are buyers for subgrades like these who like to gamble.
<< <i>... About a year ago, he purchased a 1989 OPC Joe Sakic with subs of 9.5 cen/10/10 edges/9.5 surface. He sent the card back with 2 other Sakics that were slabbed 9.5 and a letter explaining that the centering was perfect front and back and showed his measuring numbers. Card came back a 10 (1st one) and he made an $8K profit and is now enjoying his new HD 55 inch TV, new furniture, and appliances. BTW, he did get another Sakic 10 (same scenario) and the 2nd one sold for over $4K.
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Are you sure?
Isn't the 1989-90 Topps Sakic RC worth more than the OPC Sakic RC?
Does the body rule the mind?
or does the mind rule the body?
I dunno...
<< <i>So the cream grader are gone from Beckett and they are now working for GAI.
Cool, so we can all start sending our trimmed cards to GAI.
These sub bumps are nothing new with BGS. I've seen it done many times and have a friend that consistently does it with 50% of the time going in his favor. About a year ago, he purchased a
1989 OPC Joe Sakic with subs of 9.5 cen/10/10 edges/9.5 surface. He sent the card back with 2 other Sakics that were slabbed 9.5 and a letter explaining that the centering was perfect front and back and showed his measuring numbers. Card came back a 10 (1st one) and he made an $8K profit and is now enjoying his new HD 55 inch TV, new furniture, and appliances. BTW, he did get another Sakic 10 (same scenario) and the 2nd one sold for over $4K.
There are buyers for subgrades like these who like to gamble. >>
Yup. Welcome to the wonderful world of professionally graded cards.
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RC that have been graded a BGS 10. I'm sure someone out there is "working" on it right now. I'd imagine one will
show up on ebay in the near future now that BGS had allegedly reduced their grading standards.
As an aside, I wonder how many, if any "key cards" were graded BGS 10 in the old holder, e.g. the holder
without the subgrades on the front. I wouldn't be surprised if the answer were less than a literally a hand
full. Seriously, does anyone recall the days were it seemed literally impossible to get a SINGLE subgrade of 10,
much less an overall grade of BGS 10. I distinctly recall saying to myself that there is no way a card will ever
receive a grade of BGS 10. I guess this just goes to show that one should never say never.
/s/ JackWESQ
it receive ANY subgrade for corners? Does it not stand to reason that you cannot grade
something that does not exist?
/s/ JackWESQ
I just curious how we should argue this in case some BGS fans throw this in our faces.
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<< <i>Back in the old time, the long long ago when BGS was strict- the only 10 I ever saw was a common 1999 Metal football rookie, the ones that were steel and the packs sould be searched with a metal detector. Anyways it was a pack fresh card made of steel and has no corners and the only 10 out of 20 submitted was a common. Beckett once featured an article about a 98 Finest Fred Taylor getting a 10 and how rare it was. I really feel bad for those people who paid the huge premium for the BGS 10s back then. >>
I remember the story also about the 98 finest Fred Taylor RC getting a 10.....it was like the end all beat all...and how SUPER LUCKY the submitter was. It was as if beckett couldnt believe that they gave it a 10 themself. Then you see on the beckett board thread that someone on a specific day graded 8 or 9 cards in a row as pristine 10's......that right there is PROOF POSITIVE that beckett is no longer as "TOUGH" as they used to be.
Loth