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You are redoing the Redbook. Name a coin you would de-list.

291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
My choice: 1937-D 3 legged Buffalo Nickel. This is a coin that has never, in my 44 years of collecting, struck me as anything more than a hype-job from the distant past.
All glory is fleeting.

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  • HTubbsHTubbs Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭
    Well,if you every come across one I'll be more the happy to take it off your hands!image



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  • ERER Posts: 7,345
    Silver plug flowing hair dollar. Hype. I mean, if you're gonna consider that as a variety, then why not list adjustment marks as another variety? JMHO.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stella. If it's in, all of the patterns should be listed with their respective denominations.

    Great, fresh idea for a thread.
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  • DD Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭
    Strawberry Cent.

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  • OldnewbieOldnewbie Posts: 1,425 ✭✭
    The Voce Populi coppers. An Irish token without any colonial connection.

    I like 'em, however.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,388 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1917 matte proof Lincoln and 1913 Liberty nickel. I'm certain there would be more if I thought longer on it.
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    1913 V-nickel. A fantasy piece, never authorized to be struck by the Mint. There are others in this category, but this is perhaps the most prominent.
  • The Kennedy half dollar. I hear Russ likes 'em. image

    While I can't think of any off-hand I'd like to see removed, I'd like to see some additions, particularly including the 1964 SMS pieces. Also, the Red Book varieties of half cents and early copper cents just seem like a bit of a joke. I suppose they constitute one way of collecting the pieces, but most who would bother to collect that way would be after Sheldon and Newcomb varieties.

    Hoot
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  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    Without question, the 1861/0 half dime. It is not an overdate, nor a repunched date, and it is nowhere near "Rare" as it is always described. It is simply an 1861 half dime where the date numerals were struck into the working die using a defective 1 numeral punch. It should never have been listed in the Red Book, or anywhere else, and I can't help but wonder how many unsuspecting half dime collectors have shelled out good money for a common half dime.
    They that can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither Liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,088 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Without question, the 1861/0 half dime. It is not an overdate, nor a repunched date, and it is nowhere near "Rare" as it is always described. It is simply an 1861 half dime where the date numerals were struck into the working die using a defective 1 numeral punch. It should never have been listed in the Red Book, or anywhere else, and I can't help but wonder how many unsuspecting half dime collectors have shelled out good money for a common half dime. >>



    Amen, brother. Amen.
    Tom D.
    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," due out late 2025.
  • 1917 Matte Proof Lincoln.
  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How's 'bout the "1837 half-cent token". Seems pretty out of place considering that no other tokens are listed in the half-cent/cent area.

    Or the Feuchtwanger token. (Ok...I just like saying Feuchtwanger). image
    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • OldnewbieOldnewbie Posts: 1,425 ✭✭


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    << <i>Without question, the 1861/0 half dime. It is not an overdate, nor a repunched date, and it is nowhere near "Rare" as it is always described. It is simply an 1861 half dime where the date numerals were struck into the working die using a defective 1 numeral punch. It should never have been listed in the Red Book, or anywhere else, and I can't help but wonder how many unsuspecting half dime collectors have shelled out good money for a common half dime. >>



    Amen, brother. Amen.
    Tom D. >>



    Now that's a bit of information I'd love to have as a fledging half dime collector.

    So, do you think they're reading this?
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Without question, the 1861/0 half dime. It is not an overdate, nor a repunched date, and it is nowhere near "Rare" as it is always described. It is simply an 1861 half dime where the date numerals were struck into the working die using a defective 1 numeral punch. It should never have been listed in the Red Book, or anywhere else, and I can't help but wonder how many unsuspecting half dime collectors have shelled out good money for a common half dime. >>



    I agree strongly! It is a very common coin.


    I'd also delist the 1869/9 indian cent. It is merely a repunched numeral.

    Tom
    Tom

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,086 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Stella. If it's in, all of the patterns should be listed with their respective denominations.

    Great, fresh idea for a thread.
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    Don't show the greatly overrated 1856 flying eagle cent with the regular issue cents. Its a pattern!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,086 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The Voce Populi coppers. An Irish token without any colonial connection. >>




    The Hibernia coins shouldn't be listed since they are Irish coins. If you list them, you should list every foreign coin that circulated in America during the colonial period.



    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • The 1914/3 Buffalo - I'm still not convinced that the overdate its really there.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here are a few more I would de-list:

    1866 Repunched Date Shield Nickel. There are hundreds of Shield Nickel die varieties, why list this and ignore the two different date punches used in 1869?

    1879/8 Proof Shield Nickel. I once owned one of these and was never convinced it was an overdate. As Shield Nickel die varieties go it is a minor one.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • There are a BUNCH.

    For starters, most of the Washington pieces. Most of them are English tokens.

    The God Preserve London elephant tokens. Obvious reasons. And the other elephant tokens as well. I suspect they are fantasies rather than actual tokens for circulation.

    The Voce Populi tokens.

    The Pitt and Rhode Island ship medals. They ere medals not coins.

    The Albany Church penny, this is a communion token.

    The KY token, English token.

    Franklin Press, same reason.

    1792 half disme, pattern issue. On second thougt it can stay as long as they keep it in that section showing the early patterns that lead to our first true coins.

    1837 half cent token.

    1795 reeded edge large cent, experimental issue.

    1795 Jefferson head cent, not a mint issue.

    1856 FE cent, pattern issue.

    And many more.

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,291 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1851-O Seated Dollar. It's not a distinct coin. I think it's been shown all that happened was an O mint dollar was used as a planchet for a restrike proof 1851.
  • OldnewbieOldnewbie Posts: 1,425 ✭✭
    Geez, Conder, leave a coin for someone else.image
  • Some things are in the Redbook and have been collected because they have historically been collected as part of the American series - there may not be a scientific or technical basis, but there is an historic, traditional and romantic basis.

    Sort of like why we continue to say Gold Bless You when someone sneezes.

  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Issues that haven't been mentioned:

    Lose the Sommer Islands pieces - they were struck for Bermuda, not the U.S.

    Mott Store Cards

    Franklin Press Tokens

    1811 restrike Half Cents

    1804 restrike Cents

    1823 restrike Cents

    1859 transitional Half Dimes and Dimes (sorry Art)

    1851 $50 Lettered Edge Slug 887-Thous/No "50" Reverse

    This gives me an idea for an even better thread...


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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Not to repeat any from above...

    1922 No D 1c - just because there were no Phila cents that year? So what?

    1838 Partial drapery dime - how many other clashed dies are considered a variety?
  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All varieties. Let the specialist books cover them, the Redbook listing only increases demand and prices.
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i> The 1914/3 Buffalo - I'm still not convinced that the overdate its really there. >>


    Even if it is really there, it's not significant enough to include it. The 3 legger is another one that's iffy.

    How about the 22 Plain Lincoln cent?

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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    How about all Wisconsin Statehood Quarters. Regular, High Leaf, Low Leaf, Clad Proof, and Silver Proof, and any others that I may have missed.

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It took me years to convince Ken Bressett to change the 1869/68 cent listing to 1869/69. I am content to leave it in like that, lest future collectors mistake it for an 1869/68.
    Still working on him re the so-called 1861/0 half dime.
    Tom D.



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    << <i>Without question, the 1861/0 half dime. It is not an overdate, nor a repunched date, and it is nowhere near "Rare" as it is always described. It is simply an 1861 half dime where the date numerals were struck into the working die using a defective 1 numeral punch. It should never have been listed in the Red Book, or anywhere else, and I can't help but wonder how many unsuspecting half dime collectors have shelled out good money for a common half dime. >>



    I agree strongly! It is a very common coin.


    I'd also delist the 1869/9 indian cent. It is merely a repunched numeral.

    Tom >>

    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," due out late 2025.

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