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Over the years there has been several requests for reputable coin dealers on this forum. I've noticed almost every time there is a reference to Harlan J. Berk, Ltd. I used to work in the towntown area of Chicago where they are located and used to visit very often. They USED to be one of my favorite coin dealers even over coin shows and flea markets. They USED to have a fantastic assortment of just about everything for really decent prices. They used to give me a great discount from the prices shown on the coins. So although not working in that area I decided to take a trip there which is a good hours time to see and buy some coins. I first checked out their web site, made a list of what I wanted to purchase and headed for that place. I was very disturbed at what I saw in the window where they usually put the best or most popular. Nothing on the web site was there. Went in and was ignored by the guy that has waited on me for many, many years. He just walked away. A lady that I never saw before did wait on me and had to go to the window to bring out the trays for me to look at. A large quantity of the coins actually looked cleaned and were noted as such. None of the coins on the web site were there. All the prices were higher than they should have been. I asked if there is still a usual discount over the listed price and was told would have to ask. Dissapeared into the back room and came out and said there is very little to take off of any of their super special coins. None of their so called special coins were worth my time. I wanted to discuss my concerns with the guy I usually deal with but he was to busy to even bother with a customer. My very, very last visit to that coin shop. I stopped at a bar prior to going home to drown my sorrows.
Carl

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  • sorry to hear that!
    Nick
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Sounds like they are puposely trying to go out of business.
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,018 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's too bad. Sorry about your bad experience.
  • Did you ask to see any of the particular coins that were on the website? I know they are very fastidious about the inventory listed there. I have never had this problem. In fact, I have never had any of the problems you're describing. I was thinking of making a trip over there tomorrow, so I'll see for myself.
  • In fact, I bet that all the coins in the window trays are indeed listed on their site, so what you're saying doesn't make any sense (to me).
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Marty has probably ripped them so many times that now they hate all collectors. image

    Russ, NCNE
  • Maybe he forgot to use the secret password image
  • carlcarl Posts: 2,054
    Like I said, just a bad experience. When asking the lady that waited on me if they had other coins such as these, she said she would have to ask. If there was a discount fromthe listed price whe said she would have to ask. One guy was sitting to the right not doing anything and the guy that usually waits on me walked into the back room and didn't even pay any attention to me at all. For all the years I've been going there I guess I expected at least a nod. The lady really didn't know anything about the coins. I asked her why so many were cleaned and she said I guess that's the way we buy them. I was going to ask about the ones on the web site but by time I looked at the junk from the window I was to irritated and just left. To many other places that sell coins in this area to put up with a bad experience. I guess the trip all the way there and back and not accomplishing anything makes me a little mad and just don't want to try that again. There are coin shows almost every weekend around here lately so I'll stick with that.
    Carl
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Maybe they knew they had a lot of rough stuff at this time Carl, and were a little image to show them to you----------------------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • carlcarl Posts: 2,054
    Regardless of the reason I think it's the treatment of a customer that got me ticked off. Old age makes me a little irritable with ignorance.
    Carl
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 29,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some of it could have been a fluke. Sometimes a bunch of things just go wrong at once.

    This is the first bad report I've heard in a long time and most people seem very happy with
    the experience whether they're newbies or advanced collectors.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry to hear you so unhappy. Had you asked to speak with me I would have been glad to speak with you, but I was working on a project and Laura says you never asked to.

    Several of the coins that you picked out of the window were from the "NEW TOYS" trays. Our standard policy is that we do not discount new purchases for a month or so, or until they are transferred to the regular display trays. That is why I date the "NEW TOYS" trays with the day that they went in the window. This was nothing personal, since I won't even give discounts to other dealers on them during this period.

    I did give you $5 off on the total because some of the coins, such as the 1925-D cent (cleaned, as noted on the holder) had been in the window (and on our website, along with approximately 1,922 other U.S. coins) for a while. This brought the total down to $127.

    Tom DeLorey
    For Harlan J. Berk, Ltd.



    << <i>Over the years there has been several requests for reputable coin dealers on this forum. I've noticed almost every time there is a reference to Harlan J. Berk, Ltd. I used to work in the towntown area of Chicago where they are located and used to visit very often. They USED to be one of my favorite coin dealers even over coin shows and flea markets. They USED to have a fantastic assortment of just about everything for really decent prices. They used to give me a great discount from the prices shown on the coins. So although not working in that area I decided to take a trip there which is a good hours time to see and buy some coins. I first checked out their web site, made a list of what I wanted to purchase and headed for that place. I was very disturbed at what I saw in the window where they usually put the best or most popular. Nothing on the web site was there. Went in and was ignored by the guy that has waited on me for many, many years. He just walked away. A lady that I never saw before did wait on me and had to go to the window to bring out the trays for me to look at. A large quantity of the coins actually looked cleaned and were noted as such. None of the coins on the web site were there. All the prices were higher than they should have been. I asked if there is still a usual discount over the listed price and was told would have to ask. Dissapeared into the back room and came out and said there is very little to take off of any of their super special coins. None of their so called special coins were worth my time. I wanted to discuss my concerns with the guy I usually deal with but he was to busy to even bother with a customer. My very, very last visit to that coin shop. I stopped at a bar prior to going home to drown my sorrows. >>

    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," due out late 2025.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    I have never had a problem at HB and have always been treated fairly. I know at times they get busy and I will wait my turn. They usually drop off a box of proof sets and go help other customers. When I'm downtown I love going there, and would still recommend them as one of the top dealers in Chicago. I'm sorry you had a bad experence.
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A large quantity of the coins actually looked cleaned and were noted as such. >>


    Actually, I'm quite pleased to here of a coin shop that would note such problems. Most coin shops seem to just plead ignorance.

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,306 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>A large quantity of the coins actually looked cleaned and were noted as such. >>


    Actually, I'm quite pleased to here of a coin shop that would note such problems. Most coin shops seem to just plead ignorance. >>

    I had that experience recently at a brick + mortar shop. Looking through half dimes while the proprietor was pumping how great the cleaned ones were and downplaying the original ones that I ended up buying. Guess maybe they were trying to push off some damaged inventory and were hoping I didn't know the difference. I kind of laughed but didn't mention anything, bought my coins...which were great and had a good day.
  • ERER Posts: 7,345


    << <i>

    << <i>A large quantity of the coins actually looked cleaned and were noted as such. >>


    Actually, I'm quite pleased to here of a coin shop that would note such problems............... >>

    image
  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    Carl, I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater or overreact to this. That bad experience could just be an anamoly and you wouldn't want to preclude the possibility of your landing a nice coin or two from them in the future. I would do two things if I were you:

    1. Whenever you go into a shop like that, approach it as though it's your first visit. Lower your expectations a little. The moment you felt let down in one aspect, it sort of set the stage for the rest of the dominoes to tumble. Have a brighter attitude.

    2. Don't ask up front if they offer discounts on everything. Barter over individual coins as opposed to asking for an automatic discount on all their coins.

    Guy
    image
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    So you had one bad experience, and they are no longer a good coin dealer? Looks like you were just looking for an excuse to drink. image

    I've had several experiences with HJB and all have been first rate....Mike

    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • I am very suprised by the responses I see on this board regarding customer service. As a small business owner, I can't fathom anyone justifying poor communication or behavior to a customer, ESPECIALLY a good repeat customer. I've been critical of brick and mortar coin shops in my area because everyone I've been to are full of arrogant owners who barely acknowledge me when I come in to their stores. Though I'm successful, I tend to dress "down" when I go shopping. I don't look like a bum, but I'm not in business casual either. I'm still looking for a coin shop where I'm treated like a person and I'm not talked down too. If I treated my customers the way I've been treated I'd be out of business. If I've had a bad day and the customer felt some of it I will go out of my way to make up for it, because losing repeat customers is a sure way to lose your shirt over time.

    Just my 2 centsimage

    BigBen
  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    I don't think anyone was approving of the treatment Carl received, just that they are not typically familiar with that type of customer service from Harlan Berk. Harlan Berk has always treated me very nicely even though I am not there very often. I have even been contacted about an item that they knew I would be interested in, yet I don't have a standing want list with them.
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    totally no excuse for the way you where treated

    i will steer clear of this shop if i ever get to the windy city
  • An important note to business owners from the original post.

    You need to treat each customer with courtesy. You can't afford to have a bad day.
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
    *Yawn*

    Your loss then, Michael. HJB is a perfectly fine group of people to buy coins from IMO.
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I got my icon coin and another very nice coin from HJB in the last few years. I highly recommend them.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • MercuryMercury Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭✭
    Earlier in life I worked in the restaurant industry. We had a saying that went something like this......

    You can have 10 tables in the restaurant, nine have a wondeful evening and you will be lucky if the tell one other person about it. However, the tenth table has a bad evening. You can bet they will tell every single person they know. And more than half the time that tenth table has never said a word to anyone who works there about whatever was bothering them.

    Collecting Peace Dollars and Modern Crap.


  • << <i>Sorry to hear you so unhappy. Had you asked to speak with me I would have been glad to speak with you, but I was working on a project and Laura says you never asked to.

    Several of the coins that you picked out of the window were from the "NEW TOYS" trays. Our standard policy is that we do not discount new purchases for a month or so, or until they are transferred to the regular display trays. That is why I date the "NEW TOYS" trays with the day that they went in the window. This was nothing personal, since I won't even give discounts to other dealers on them during this period.

    I did give you $5 off on the total because some of the coins, such as the 1925-D cent (cleaned, as noted on the holder) had been in the window (and on our website, along with approximately 1,922 other U.S. coins) for a while. This brought the total down to $127.

    Tom DeLorey
    For Harlan J. Berk, Ltd.

    << <i>

    Carl--

    Nice reply--sounds like you spent $127---or does he have you confused with somebody else? That said, in a perfect world Tom might have said "Hi, good to see you again. Laura will take care of you".


    Curmudgeon in waiting!

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