Some scans from my recent SGC submission - 1968 Topps
Southerncards
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If anyone is interested......sorry for the large scans...
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Too bad there not in PSA holders
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<< <i>SGC???? Your on the wrong website. This site is dedicated to the discussion of Psa related material. >>
Lighten up.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
stevek - not looking to get banned, only looking to share quality vintage material with fellow collectors. Its just that simple.
I agree with southern. I really don't think it's a big deal as long
as it's still sportscards related. I use PSA, BGS, and SGC and I've shared all 3 with the boards before. Sue me.
Nice cards. I have a tough time trying to grade the 68's. I have sent in a few that I thought were sure 8's and they were 6's. I think the border makes it tough, at least for me, to see the corners real well.
Anywho, nice cards and I like seeing them. A sharp card is a sharp card despite what holder its in. Unless of course they are scatter on the bottom of a shoebox. That's not a good holder
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Nice cards! I like the style - good luck on the set.
mike
You mean us sheep?
Steve
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ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
<< <i>Hey
Good news from the Bouffard home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I lowered my cholesterol by (drumroll) ..................................
106 points to an impressive 221!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still need to get it below 170 but it looks like no lipitor for me just yet!!!!!!!!!
You lowered it that much with just watching your eating habits?
Outstanding!
mike
ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
- Garret
good job
Steve
Yeah, don't listen to those naysayers Southencards.
One of these days, you'll actually get a job and be able to afford to buy PSA graded cards ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
So keep those SGC, Beckett, GAI, Gem, Pro....cards comin!
And please, don't forget the PSG cards...yes...they're catching on!
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One of these days, you'll actually get a job and be able to afford to buy PSA graded cards ...
Actually wolf, I hope that I never have a "job". Jobs are for guys working the night shift at 7-11.
I'll stick to my career
<< <i>If you want to promote SGC cards please use their website. It's really very simple. >>
A nice card is a nice card. I enjoy seeing nice cards whether they are in a psa, sgc or bgs holder. Southerncards is not doing anything wrong ( except of course bring a Yankee fan
Matt
1994 Pro Line Live
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People submit cards to PRO grading, too.
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People submit cards to PRO grading, too. >>
the trimmed ones that people want to peddle to the suckers on e-bay
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i>I'll stick to my career >>
Whoa!
The most fun job I ever had was when I worked at McDonald's with my high school buds!
<< <i>If you want to promote SGC cards please use their website. It's really very simple. >>
I didn't see it as a "promotional" or political statement SayHey.
I thought he was just letting us know he got some good cards.
Am I missing something?
mike
<< <i>If you want to promote SGC cards please use their website. It's really very simple. >>
Keep an open mind brother.
and for those of you worrying about every post of mine being SGC related, I'll try to come up with something else for you to complain about.
I agree wholeheartedly, however maybe Jim would like to explain calling us sheep over at the net 54 thread.
he wants to collect sgc graded cards and that is fine. To ridicule those that prefer PSA was very unbecoming IMO.
perhaps et al saw the same thread?
There are many intelligent collectors here who offer great info and those are the ones I hope to appeal to by showing the scans that I posted.
Your exact words:
Jim
(Login Southerncards) Re: SGC grading to harsh January 12 2006, 9:04 PM
Not to be adversarial, but did SGC send henchmen to your door to steal your card and credit card number? If not, then no one forced you to be subjected to these grading standards.
The standards are posted on the website. Collectors naturally see their own cards in a better light than other observers. Couldnt it be possible that you missed something that they saw? Wouldnt it be better to inquire the reasons from them rather than blasting them here?
There are many other garbage grading companies out there that will be happy to give you the grade you want when you pay. If you are not satisfied, the herd of sheep at PSA always have additional room in the flock at the Orlando farm.
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Steve
Now as far as the sheep.....obviously this collector stated that he didnt like the grades he received after knowing what the grading scale was. That leads me to believe that he has been given what he perceives as better grades on similarly graded cards from another grading company or he quite frankly doesnt understand SGC's scale. He would seem to be content with his cards in a slab with a higher grade no matter if they truly deserved that grade. If he wanted to buy a grade, there are companies out there that will sell you a 10. If you dont want to suffer "the injustice of the grading system we are now forced to use", move on to another company. Dont worry about what an accurately graded card looks like, worry about how something with a higher grade will bring more money (the 20% on average he refers to). There is an overwhelming segment of this hobby (sadly) that have forgotten that these cards should be just flat out fun. The "lets see if I can make more money" mentality of price guides etc is whats killing this hobby. Time after time, we hear "PSA graded cards sell for more" Why? Show me what makes their grading of a card better than SGC. Most people can't, they are merely just reading what someone writes and jumping on the bandwagon....hence "sheep".
if the fleece fits..........
Yes Mike I think you are missing something and that's not a knock about you. Southerncards posted three, count 'em three threads about his SGC submission - on really quite an ordinary submission of just mid-grade cards - nothing "spectacular" there whatsoever. And I suspect that he's planning more threads like this until he gets banned - which eventually will probably happen - he's itching for it...it's obvious in my opinion.
Three straight threads such as this in a PSA forum is no doubt Southerncards blatantly thumbling his nose at PSA and he knows that. Why doesn't Southerncards simply start his own little website whereby he can bash PSA all he wants and show scans of his SGC graded cards? For whatever reasons, and I couldn't care less what the reasons are, Southerncards doesn't like PSA and it clearly shows in most of his posts. Constructive criticism about PSA is one thing and talking about other grading companies is one thing, but in my view Southerncards is crossing the line for this forum - and if people here disagree with that then that's fine - no problem from my end.
So what you are missing Mike is that PSA runs this website for their business purposes, not for our personal vendettas against them. PSA can shut down this site anytime they choose if things get out of hand with too many guys such as Southerncards and his pro-SGC posts and anti-PSA rants. I deeply enjoy this site and wouldn't want to see it shut down - that's the only reason for my reply here - I couldn't really care less what Southerncards says or posts denigrading PSA or that he clearly flaunts SGC's services - but in my view that shouldn't be done here.
Steve
I didn't put anything together and rarely do. Perhaps I'm getting old?
If that's Southern's MO, it will come back to bite him in the ass.
As it goes for this web? It would take something more on the magnitude of an 8 on the Richter Scale to shut this down. The amount of people who post and are participating members is tiny compared to the total business they do IMO.
But, you're correct - people have been banned for rhetoric not complementary of PSA - and that is their prerogative. It's a privilege and not a right to post here.
So, in the interest of balance - Southern what do you think?
mike
Jim
I could care less what you collect or the grading service of your choice is.
I just find it odd that you would refer to US as sheep then come here and post like you are our buds.
Steve
<< <i>I can see your point Steve.
I didn't put anything together and rarely do. Perhaps I'm getting old?
If that's Southern's MO, it will come back to bite him in the ass.
As it goes for this web? It would take something more on the magnitude of an 8 on the Richter Scale to shut this down. The amount of people who post and are participating members is tiny compared to the total business they do IMO.
But, you're correct - people have been banned for rhetoric not complementary of PSA - and that is their prerogative. It's a privilege and not a right to post here.
So, in the interest of balance - Southern what do you think?
mike >>
Mike - you should know that you are the best on this board at putting things together and keeping the peace, as well as your valued insights and intelligent ideas. At last count, you have prevented 397 CU Forum riots from occuring - LOL. The only idea I see that you have ever failed at was your PSG grading company which last time I looked in the Wall Street Journal was floundering badly. You really could have made a better choice than appointing that Mr A.E. Neuman as head grader - LOL.
We have a "Mail Call - If You're Proud - Jump In with a Scan!" thread going.
Why would someone need to start THREE separate new threads
to post scans of some mediocre at best SGC graded cards other than to irritate people ?
I may be a sheep, but I can recognize a jackass when I smell one ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<<< Time after time, we hear "PSA graded cards sell for more" Why? Show me what makes their grading of a card better than SGC. Most people can't, they are merely just reading what someone writes and jumping on the bandwagon....hence "sheep". >>>
Southerncards - You asked “Why” so I’ll give you my opinion. There is a lot to be said for brand loyalty and don’t sit here and tell us you don’t have brand loyalty with certain products. Brand loyalty develops among consumers when a particular company produces a quality product over a given time frame whereby the consumer has confidence in that product and at a competitive or premium price will continue to buy it. So the PSA brand loyalty has nothing to do with any SGC comparisons - it has to do with producing a product as stated which happens to sell for a competitive or premium price in the marketplace.
Perhaps SGC will get there someday with their own brand loyalty, and SGC is doing a good job - you’ve never seen me knock SGC here or anywhere. SGC is also developing their brand loyalty in the marketplace and that’s fine with me. Competition amongst grading companies is good for the consumer, and I of course am a consumer of grading company’s products.
The only graded cards I have ever owned are PSA cards, but I have bid on some SGC graded t206’s but didn’t win them so I am not anti-SGC at all. I would buy a SGC graded card but to be frank, if I had a choice between two “exact” same cards at the exact same price in a PSA slab or SGC slab, I would choose PSA - if you want to call that a sheep then so be it. But what about those loyal to SGC like yourself? You are a hypocrite calling us sheep because that in your own view would make yourself a “sheep” to SGC. So saying we are sheep to PSA really is the pot calling the kettle black, isn’t it?
<< <i>We have a "Mail Call - If You're Proud - Jump In with a Scan!" thread going.
Why would someone need to start THREE separate new threads
to post scans of some mediocre at best SGC graded cards other than to irritate people ?
I may be a sheep, but I can recognize a jackass when I smell one ...
Tell the man what he has won!
<< <i> if you want to call that a sheep then so be it. But what about those loyal to SGC like yourself? You are a hypocrite calling us sheep because that in your own view would make yourself a “sheep” to SGC. So saying we are sheep to PSA really is the pot calling the kettle black, isn’t it? >>
That pretty much nails it Steve.
Branding is a powerful tool. "Just do it!"
Unless Southern can come up with a good defense, IMO, it might be wise to lay off the multiple threads on his cards.
Anyone posting their acquisitions, whether PSA or not, might be careful of "over exposure" if you know what I mean?
mike
ok, here goes my attempt at an explanation.
I am not trying to get banned, just trying to present my viewpoints and opinions on the hobby like everyone else.
I suppose that I could have posted my "mediocre" cards in the pick up thread but I didnt. I chose to start a new thread. Didnt really think about it much, just did it. There was no intention to flash the SGC slab in a more prominant way, I just wanted to post them. Now some of the cards had some nice grades, 96, 92, 88.....if those are "mediocre" grades for 1968 Topps, then I guess I need to spend more money on gem mint cards. The other lesser graded cards I described as nothing fancy, just some nice collector grade cards with nice eye appeal. If you find them "mediocre" according to your budget, well then kudos to you for being able to afford better.
Yes, I posted 3 seperate threads. No purpose there other than the fact that I was posting 1968's, 1958's and a 1959 card. I wanted to group the years together and the scans were so large that I felt that the cards would have been lost in the shuffle if posted in one thread. I am working with a new scanner and am trying to figure out how to make scans smaller. I think I have a handle on that now.
Now as for the "sheep".......I tried to explain this earlier but obviously I am not explaining it correctly so I'll try again. I have read it countless times from other members about problems they have had with PSA. These problems have run the range from mislabeled holders to card "condoms" to switched slabs to you name it. So what makes them "sheep"? The fact that these collectors don't do anything about it. They deserve better service. They deserve to have their complaints addressed. They deserve to have their questions answered. If I bought gas at Exxon and I kept getting poor service and a watered down product, I'd sure switch to Mobil. I wouldnt just suck it up and keep giving Exxon my money. You as a consumer have a right to demand better service. PSA as a company has an obligation to offer better service. They know that they are not the only game in town and collectors know that too. When issues arise here that hurt the public view of the company's product such as lets say, those ugly card condoms, they are never addressed. I would think that someone from PSA would be reading that and say "gee, I guess the members dont really like how it looks, lets do something differently to keep their business". I cannot remember ever seeing a response to issues such as these. If you blindly walk into the light and never stand up for yourself, your cards or your money and demand the level of service as a customer that you deserve, you are a sheep. Plain and simple, no matter if its PSA, Exxon or Microsoft we're talking about. Now, don't get me wrong...SGC makes mistakes too and they've been called on them. The difference is that they seem(at least on the face) to handle them better. I've read threads where someone says hey this SGC card is screwed up or they've questioned an SGC policy and more often than not, there is a post from someone at SGC with a response and an offer to fix the problem. That's what I'm talking about, accountability.
The other sheep I often see are the ones blinded by the money aspect of the hobby. Now, as anyone will tell you, I hate price guides. I think the establishment of a monthly price guide is ruining this hobby. What's your card worth?? Its worth what you want for it versus what someone is willing to pay....period. Now when we've discussed sales of PSA versus SGC in the marketplace, people have said that they use PSA "because it sells for more". I'm sure everyone has heard that. I've seen comparison threads where an SGC or GAI or BGS card has sold for more than its PSA counterpart and the person will not admit this. If you follow the theory that your card will sell for more just because its in a PSA slab and you fail to admit that other companies slabs do sell for more from time to time, then you are a sheep. I couldnt agree more with the phrase "buy the card, not the holder". I've had people tell me that the only reason for slabbing a card is for making a profit. I could care less what a price guide says my card is worth. I slab cards that I like because I like the way the holder looks. I like knowing that someone I deem to be an expert has determined the card to be authentic and unaltered. I like being able to put my card in a registry and showing off what I collect. I like having a universally recognized third party opinion of what condition a card is in. Those are some of my reasons for slabbing cards. Money or future profit are never an issue.
Believe it or not, I have no problem with the average collector who uses PSA. Competition is a good thing. I have commented many times on a nicely graded PSA card that has been presented here. My issue lies with those who are "mistreated" (for lack of a better word) and allow it to keep happening. I have a problem with people blindly subscribing to the thought that their card is worth more just because of the brand of holder its in. I have a problem with the fact that collectors here raise issues and questions with something and no one from the company side addresses it. Those are my complaints. Having been an SGC customer, I have seen them address issues and fix problems. I have seen them admit "hey we screwed this up". I have seen them buy back cards that should be fixed. All of this is in an attempt to protect their image of their product in the eyes of the customer and fix a problem. I would hope that collectors of PSA would demand the same treatment but it never happens. That's why I used the term sheep. I just want people to stand up for themselves. I do not mean to demean all users of PSA's service.
So if in closing, people here dont want to see my low grade "mediocre" SGC graded cards, I wont post them anymore. I just want to share my collection the way others do. If I decide to post a card, it will be in raw form prior to submission. I've said my peace about the level of service I think you all deserve and obviously my message is not getting through the way I want so I'll keep my comments to myself. I enjoy the knowledge and comments presented here so I'll just be a lurker and sometimes poster and will keep my comments brief and non-adversarial.
I would comment on this thread but I erased it cause this is just ridiculous.
loth
<< <i>Thanks guys...some of the grades were a surprise for sure. Would you believe that the NL Pitching leaders card was a $1 pick up at a local card shop? Sometimes you get lucky. >>
I'm just sad you ended up burning some luck turning a $7 card into a $10-$20 card.
The cards you scanned are cool though.
Your higher grade SGC cards were commons. I could understand posting say a high grade SGC Mantle or something interesting of the sort, but the intent of my comments was to illustrate that if every SGC submission from too many people would occur here, there is no doubt in my mind that PSA would shut down this forum and I wouldn't blame them. Yes, discussion is fine but in my opinion your 3 threads and many of your posts border on "advertising" for SGC. I doubt if any company is going to allow for long that in their forum.
Jim, if I thought you were a stinkin' troll then you would have clearly known it. I would have roughed you up, Philly style - LOL. But as I previously stated, you seem like a good guy and a fellow baseball card collector and I was basically trying to give you strong hints to back off a little bit. I believe you can contribute to this forum and I wouldn't mind at all seeing more posts from you - I think you have some constructive things to offer.
Steve
The term "mediocre" was used (not by you) so that's what I was refering to. I appreciate your comments and agree that PSA may not like having the competition discussed in a favorable light on their website. In the past, I've tried to stick to posting in the "Sports cards and memoribilia" forum or the "vintage sportscard trading" forum so as to not dilute the "PSA set registry" forum with scans of non PSA material. While this site is of course run by CU/PSA, it projects the image of being an all purpose/general forum on the hobby. The site lends itself to being a soapbox for discussion and I have undoubtedly taken my turn on the soapbox numerous times. I think that this site is one of the more active on the net (much more active than the SGC site) and I enjoy the minute by minute banter and hobby knowledge shared here. Its almost addictive. At times I've even enjoyed the "spirited debate" that takes place between fans of the major grading services. Its definitely a place to keep your skills sharp and much more entertaining than fighting with the wife.
It seems that the majority of responses here have taken exception to my comments and perhaps I'm just not explaining things the way I wish them to come across. I will in the future temper my comments so that I do not fan the flames. Time spent arguing is time lost with our collections and to put it simply, I'm too damn old and tired at age 36 to waste time arguing. I shall in the future try to keep things in a more cordial tone and will give it my very best effort not to incite civil unrest in the grading world. Choose your company, enjoy your cards, and keep the hobby alive for the next generation.
Jim
The fact is, they all have their place...even Pro - which is the remind us that there's better. Let's face it, it's like the coke, pepsi, RC cola thing.
When I post a scan it's because I'm either excited about a new pick up or I have a burning desire to share something since my wife could care less.
No company is going to give everyone exactly what they want all the time.
So, posting the cards were for sharing only Jim or making a statement?
mike