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What precautions will we see at bigger coin shows?
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What new procedures and precautions will we see as a reaction to the problems at the FUN show? This could be from the collectors perspective or a dealers perspective. As collectors we can go directly from home to the show and from the show to home. No stops along the way. We can meet people there and walk in and travel in groups or with a crowd. Collectors can usually protect themselves easier and are not the prime target.
To the dealers, what are some of the things you would like to see in place at the next show? What do you do to stay safe and 'intact'.
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<< <i>For organizers, it will be important to have a full service (accepts registered mail) Post Office on site. Shipping important items by registered mail is going to look very smart, and cheap, from this point on. >>
I think all of them do...
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Machine gun turrets on top of the building would be nice.
Russ, NCNE >>
Guns aren't the answer.
The bullets might hit the coins!
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
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<< <i>Machine gun turrets on top of the building would be nice.
Russ, NCNE >>
Guns aren't the answer.
The bullets might hit the coins! >>
Good point kranky! Seriously, I'd love to see the crooks---not punished---but detered. It will probably be more expensive to buy a table with the extra security that will be part, if not most, of the equasion.
Cladking---I agree on the parking lot issue.
<< <i>Seriously, I'd love to see the crooks---not punished---but detered. >>
If by detered you mean death by lead poisoning, I'm down with that.
Russ, NCNE
What would a potential coin thief look like (a meth addict?)
Obviously someone is attending the show and lining up potential
targets on some kind of criteria, or are they just hanging around
outside and going after anyone with suitcases who looks like
a dealer to trail them?
It could be that the head of the operation is attending the show,
taking notes and giving out the orders as to who to go after.
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<< <i>Seriously, I'd love to see the crooks---not punished---but detered. >>
If by detered you mean death by lead poisoning, I'm down with that.
Russ, NCNE >>
What I meant was I'd like to not see any of the robberies happen in the first place. That said, lead poisoning would be a deterant!
Guards walking to the parking lot would help, AND regualr patrols in the lots themselves.
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<< <i>Lots of security problems I am gathering? >>
Yes. This thread is in response to the numerous thefts at the FUN show.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
dealers and collectors. Many would probably say "yeah yeah, I
know all that stuff...." and yet some are not practicing what they
preach.
Flyers should be given to all dealers and collectors with security
tips.
Most of these crimes are happening when the dealers are heading
home and they are probably tired and anxious to get home and
are just not as mentally alert to someone following them as they
should be.
I like the seminar idea also.
Cameron Kiefer
<< <i>Machine gun turrets on top of the building would be nice.
Russ, NCNE >>
with the ferengi crowd manning them?
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
many dealers who can afford it are going to beef up their security measures. Whoever is running this
theft operation is probably feeling pretty good as to how it turned out as there have been no arrests
as of yet. My feeling is that this will be repeated in the future either at FUN or other major shows.
It does put a damper on what was otherwise a very successful FUN show this year.
It seems to me that many of the thefts were not in the parking lot, they happened when the dealer(s) stopped somewhere after they left the show.
Guards in the parking lot are not going to stop someone from getting hiested miles down the road. Only Russ' lead poisoning or perhaps a couple successful stings will address that.
<< <i>Even a post office may not work. Registered mail (I think) only goes to $40,000. >>
Not sure what the upper limit is for registered but I think its higher than $40K.
<< <i> Why rob a bank when you can hit a lone guy with $250000 in his car. >>
Unless the robber is a sophisticated collector or perhaps even a dealer he won't get anywhere near $250K for the stuff unless its common or otherwise easy to sell off.
<< <i>Guards in the parking lot are not going to stop someone from getting hiested miles down the road. Only Russ' lead poisoning or perhaps a couple successful stings will address that. >>
But the "word" is that the victims were robbed because crooks were able to track and find them with GPS devices planted on their vehicles...presumably planted there in the parking lot.
Steve
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Re: Change in History....I believe that for security sake most dealers will not respond to your question, it is a good question however it would tip our hand to post....sorry >>
I was thinking about that when I posted this. I don't blame them for not sharing their game plan. I hope dealers can take precautions without dramatically increasing their overhead.
<< <i>Not sure what the upper limit is for registered but I think its higher than $40K. >>
The upper limit for Registered mail is 25K not 40K. You can send packages that are worth more than 25K, in fact the USPS site lists the fees for packacges up to $15 million (fee is just under $22K), but the absolute maximum that the Post Office will pay out, no matter how much insurance was purchased, is $25K. This is stated as such right on the website. They will tell you that the fees for amounts above 25K are to pay for additional security measures, not insurance.