BAD 1962 BASEBALL WAX PACK - LOOKING FOR bxb !

waxfromthepast

bxb,

Hello! This is Ryan Rutter with Wax From The Past. As of October 1, 2005, I'm the ONLY authenticator of ANY and ALL unopened material that walks through the doors of Global Authentication Incorporated. I view each item and give it an approval or a thumbs down. I DON'T assign a number grade of 1 - 10, I just AUTHENTICATE the unopened item. Mike Baker then assigns a number GRADE to the wax, cello, rack, box, vending, etc, and the item is then sent to Sealing and Encapsulation. If I assigned a grade, I feel that this would be a conflict of interest because I sell unopened material too. All of you have seen our advertisements in Sports Collectors Digest, Beckett, and Tuff Stuff issues.
I'm NOW also in charge of customer service and ANY issues related. I read your post about the 1967 Topps Baseball wax pack that you recently opened with the contents containing writing on one of the cards inside. I'm ashamed! I also did some investigating and noticed that the '67 pack in question was authenticated over a year ago, by the FORMER authenticator for Global. A mistake of this caliber is, without question, UNACCEPTABLE in my book and I look to reimburse you for your trouble. I can assure all individuals presently viewing this post as well as ANY unopened material investor and collector, that from OCTOBER 1, 2005 on, there has been ZERO errors in the AUTHENTICATING department. Prior to this date, I don't know. But one thing is for certain, in this tiny niche of the market, I will declare to you that the pack collector and investor DOES NOT NEED TO QUESTION the legitimacy of ANY unopened item encapsulated by Global for I'm 100% certain of my authenticating expertise. This is not an ego inflation nor an exaggeration of truth; this is fact, pure and simple. I'll be the first to admit that I don't have the slightest clue if a Babe Ruth autograph is real or if a card is trimmed or fake, but I do know unopened material 100%! I have the ability to verify if a pack has been tampered with in ways unknown to most individuals in the business today. I will even do fingerprint and DNA analysis if recommended by a court of law. I've testified, under oath, to the courts in several cases that items were resealed to bring justice to the court. I've ALWAYS been on the winning side of the verdicts!
Bxb, please contact me at (614)946-4000 as you deserve a refund. Your compensation will be administered by me, Ryan Rutter, and you will receive what you're due. Again, if ANY members can help me to find BXB, feel free to call as well. Please remember that I can't police the entire world, but I will make good on a legitimate claim for the sake of my peace of mind, even if it comes out of my pocket. I could only imagine your surprise when you saw writing on that card. Let me help you.
Below is a paragraph about my company, Wax From The Past. See me at ALL major conventions across the country with some of the most unique and legitimate inventory on the planet! Come by the GAI booth and ask me any question about any unopened item! I want to put a customer name with a face for unopened material is my passion. Notice in the coming new year how the unopened material submission turnaround times will shorten. Feel free to dial either of my lines from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM in the given time zone and speak to me in person! I'll welcome your call! Thank you for reading this, -Ryan



Hello and thank you for contacting us! You've picked the right place! I'd prefer to speak with you in person about your unopened needs as we possess inventory dating back to the 1940's. If there's a certain year where you'd like to begin, it's most likely available here! If it's a single pack or a sealed case, be assured that it's of the highest quality available!

Wax From The Past has been involved within the unopened market since May, 1980. Since inception, we've handled most unopened products produced by past and current companies alike. We strive to locate undiscovered treasures only previously seen in the year of issue! Our company prides ourselves with our knowledge of authenticity, professionalism, and customer service. We're backed by Global Authentication Incorporated, (GAI), and positioned as the only MASTER Authenticator of Unopened Materials in the world. Our expertise in this niche is guaranteed to be 100% that the products we buy and sell are COMPLETELY and UNDENIABLY authentic. No other company can claim the above! Please feel free to contact us anytime with ANY questions at either our Cleveland, OH office or our Irvine, CA location and thank you for your interest in our company!

Wax From The Past
Ryan Rutter
Owner
Cleveland, OH
(614) 946-4000

Global Authentication INC.
Ryan Rutter
MASTER Authenticator
Irvine, CA
(949)474-1557

Global Authentication INC. Authorized Dealer
Sports Collectors Digest 13 Year Perfect Customer Service Award
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Stingray

You state 1962 in you title, but say 1967 in your thread??


Stingray

schr1st

Too bad a message like this can't be posted on the GAI messageboards...

waxfromthepast

This post is for bxb, the individual who had concerns with the 1962 Baseball pack he recently opened, as well as for everyone!

schr1st

I know, and you are to be commended for your efforts in trying to correct his situation. I'm just sad that you have to do it on these boards (even if it started off here) due to GAI's lack of a messageboard. Oh well, there is always another Monday...



<< <i>This post is for bxb, the individual who had concerns with the 1962 Baseball pack he recently opened, as well as for everyone! >>

IJustLoveCards

I think he is refering to this thread:


Link to bad Pack Thread


and the pack he is refering to is the 1967 Pack BXB had that had a pen mark on one of the cards. BXB talked about it on the second page, whereas, the thread was about a 1962 topps unopened pack.

baseballfanatic

Ryan, while you're here, why not let everyone know what is up with all of these grocery cellos that have been hitting the market from the 60's and early 70's (the 11 card packs as opposed to the 30 card packs)? I take it they were all authenticated before October?

WinPitcher

Hello and thank you for contacting us! You've picked the right place! I'd prefer to speak with you in person about your unopened needs as we possess inventory dating back to the 1940's. If there's a certain year where you'd like to begin, it's most likely available here! If it's a single pack or a sealed case, be assured that it's of the highest quality available!


A lil spam?


Steve

packCollector

baseballfanatic , I doubt you are going to get an official post on the grocery cellos, these were from 70-74 no 60's, but gai is no longer grading them, you can make your own conclusions. also, those 58 cellos have been deemed bogus , which the majority already knew. I saw some on ebay a few weeks ago and contacted the seller (a dealer which I didn't recognize) and he just ignored me. It is amazing how many dealers DON'T do the right thing. The cellos he had were one's that came from Superior and he must of figured he could turn a profit so he didn't care that they were bad.

added : back the original thread, Ryan I think it is great of you to come on here and try to make this situation right . It is also good to see that you will be doing the authenticating. I think over the last year or so , there has been a hit in the confidence of GAI packs , probably due to the grocery cellos and 58 cello fiasco , and bringing back an experienced dealer is definately a positive, similar to what PSA is doing with Steve Hart. when mark m and paul wright were on staff , there was a ton of confidence. there were always questions aon the grades as there always will be but the authentication piece was highly respected. this seems to have faded once the afformentioned individuals left.

julen23

Don't blame the messenger in this situation. Ryan is looking to correct a situation, albeit on another company/competitors message boards. GAI is at fault here, I am confident Mr. Rutter doesn't enjoy having to post on these boards and admit errors on his company's fault. He obviously becomes a target for criticism and ridicule, but at least he is being pro-active about the situation.

I have bought unopened material from him repeated times and he also wrote me a (gratis) Letter of Authenticity when I bought a bunk 1980 topps wax box this year. He saved me $300 and didn't ask for a dime in return, never flooded me w/ spam e-mail about his business, and was pretty prompt in helping me get my $300 back.

I can't say w/ any certainty, but GAI obviously made a mistake in grading and that is ghetto, but what Ryan's trying to do should not be misconstrued as meaningless spam for his company or GAI. Well, spam for GAI, yes, but not for his own company.

Ryan, when are you going to update that website of yours? It is a train wreck and has reflected the same inventory basically for past year?

Julen

TGIF

WinPitcher

No? then why was that paragraph included? hello to who??

Steve


edited to add: Wouldn't a PM to the party that Ryan was trying to help been sufficient?

packCollector

<< <i>No? then why was that paragraph included? hello to who??

Steve


edited to add: Wouldn't a PM to the party that Ryan was trying to help been sufficient?
>>



another example of driving away someone who can provide valuable insight on these boards. he may work for another company but he does have a lot of insight and help that could be provided to the collecting community. dealers spam these boards all the time , so why focus in on the spam , focusing on the valuable information that can be gained would be a better approach imo

MorrellMan

<< <i>

<< <i>No? then why was that paragraph included? hello to who??

Steve


edited to add: Wouldn't a PM to the party that Ryan was trying to help been sufficient?
>>



another example of driving away someone who can provide valuable insight on these boards. he may work for another company but he does have a lot of insight and help that could be provided to the collecting community. dealers spam these boards all the time , so why focus in on the spam , focusing on the valuable information that can be gained would be a better approach imo >>



With all due respect to Ryan, we're not idiots on this board. We are collectors, and when a dealer comes on board promoting his product and expertise in such grandiose terms, we can expect that the "valuable information" probably equates to more value to the dealer than to us. The spam shooters on this board serve a valuable purpose; they point out potential snakeoil salesman to the unwitting. Again, nothing personal against Ryan, but his post was extremely boastful and self-serving, what with the capital letters and the "nevers" and "always'" and the "I have the ability to verify if a pack has been tampered with in ways unknown to most individuals in the business today," and the 100% certainty, etc.. A bit of oversell couched in concern for a collector.

JMHO

stevek

<<< DOES NOT NEED TO QUESTION the legitimacy of ANY unopened item encapsulated by Global for I'm 100% certain of my authenticating expertise. >>>

Okay, I'll bite. What is your "experience" and why should I spend good money on a GAI slabbed unopened pack say from the 1960s. Please don't tell us about your expertise once the pack is opened. Keep the focus on your expertise and techniques on determining why a pack is considered unopened before it is slabbed. And if you are going to state that those "procedures" for authentication are Top Secret, then don't waste time with a response.

Anyone can purchase a blacklight of some type and visually see if some amateur has used cheap glue to reseal a pack. The problem is that maybe there are ways of resealing without detection from a blacklight? And I don't even know whether a blacklight is even used in this autheticating procedure. You're the "expert" - you tell us why we should trust a GAI slabbed "unopened" pack to truly be unopened?

WinPitcher

another example of driving away someone who can provide valuable insight on these boards


Actually the insight can stay, it was the spam I felt was distastefull.

JMO


SD

waxfromthepast

Yes, this is the corrent thread. Also, someone recently ripped a '62 BB wax pack and had concerns about series. I'd like to be of assistence to this party as well.

waxfromthepast

You're correct. The 1957-1961 cellos actually came in two different cellophane wrap variations. One is a later print run with longer or extra cellophane as a wrapper. The other type of wrapper, a more desirable one in today's market due to controversy, has the cello folded over the short sides of the cards with a line of cellophane running through the middle of the pack. My information is direct Sy Berger, a long time Topps executive and the comparison of my personal cellos purchased in the year of issue. Scans will be posted of all of the above examples in the near future; please give me time to enjoy the holiday season with my loved ones.

waxfromthepast

To answer the question of the 1970-1972 "grocery cellos" once and for all. Topps produced the larger 31 and 33 card cellos in those years for the MASS market and distribution of their product back then. A grocery "rack pack" that the 10-11 card cellos came in NEVER existed. Instead, at the end of the printing season for 1969, Topps was unsure whether or not to produce the same size cellos as they have all along. Experimentation was started with providing retail customers a chance to give the customer more cards for one money due to the new decade approaching. A few "small cellos" were made and never released to the public. They leaked out anyway. This is your answer. Are they real? Yes, they were produced behind closed doors at Topps on original equipment. Are they desirable? Personally, I like cellos that are thicker and come in their own little home. The latter are extremely difficult to locate!

waxfromthepast

An advertisement perhaps if you must pick apart my attempt to help the collector. I'm a businessman, please remember.

waxfromthepast

Thank you for the reply. Feel free to call anytime with ANY unopened questions!

WinPitcher

An advertisement perhaps


no kidding?

waxfromthepast

Julen,
Thank you for the post. If you EVER need assistance with unopened, PLEASE don't hesitate to call. The website will contain ALL of our inventory by mid January, for sure. Like Steve's website, we all go through a time of distress with our host as well as ISP's. These problems have been corrected and, even now, there have been some minor changes as improvements. You'll enjoy the sire in mid-January. I need to discover how to clone myself for I never stop travelling back and forth from frozen Cleveland, OH to sunny Global in Irvine, CA.

waxfromthepast

Steve,
It's meant to give everyone a little information about Wax From The Past, my history, that's all. Sorry it has offended you so.

WinPitcher

Ryan

it has not offended me.

FWIW a PM to the 2 collectors that you want to help would have been the proper thing to do here. IMO

your 1000 word essay notwithstanding.



Steve

waxfromthepast

Mark,
Sorry to offend you as well. This is not my intention. If you've ever met me at a convention, you know the type of person I'm regarded as with all the major dealers in the country. If you'd like to speak to me in person, feel free to call.
The main reason for the initial post was to try to locate someone that I'm not familiar with, member bxb, and compensate them for the money wasted on the bad 1967 Topps Baseball wax pack, that's all. Have a happy holiday season.

baseballfanatic

All in all, still a nice gesture to help a couple of board members and to clear the air of a few problems from across the street. Should be some healthy competition come spring training. We should all be able to reap the benefits..........

waxfromthepast

Please try to locate our latest two page color advertisement in this weeks issue of Sports Collectors Digest. It's directly in the center of the magazine and highlights our time at the last Philly 93 convention in Ft. Washington, PA. Bob Schmierer promotes a fantastic show and has for years. You'll also see our advertisements in Beckett and Tuff Stuff as well. I won't post my ads here; this is not the purpose of this thread.

waxfromthepast

Agreed. Thanks for your reply.

waxfromthepast

Number one. A "black light" is not used.

Authentication is determined by a roller mark examination.
Authentication is determined by a corner fold inspection.
Authentication is determined by gum size measurement for the given year.
Authentication is determined by proper card quantity per pack for a given year.
Authentication is determined by fingerprint analysis.
Authentication is determined by proper wax, cello, rack, vending, etc. seal patterns for each given year.
Authentication is determined by different wrapper variations for a given year to negotiate series designation.
Authentication is determined by myself ONLY, who privately owns examples of every year of unopened material going back to the 1940's purchased by my grandfather in the year of issue. That was hindsight, not by coincidence, but because he loved sports.

This is fact and for these reasons, Steve Rocchi, Mike Baker, and Howard Kent include me in the organization known as GAI.

A761506

I am not a collector of unopened material, but I have been following the recent threads concerning it. I have always questioned GAI's business plan, and here is yet another example of a poorly designed situation. If Mike Baker, the lead grader for GAI, were to be a card collector or dealer, there would be a huge conflict of interest, regardless of whether he sold GAI or PSA or SGC or raw cards. Because of that, Mike is strictly a grader, creating a situation where no personal bias exists (in theory). I've always felt it to be absolutely necessary that the grader is not a collector or seller themselves.

Now GAI has gotten themselves into this situation, where there is a dealer (albeit, I don't know Ryan from anyone, but he appears to come off as reputible) who is now authenticating (which is essentially the same as grading, as the number is of little significance when it comes to a pack). Ryan sells his own unopened material, which he guarantees to be unopened, but if someone buys something from him and wants it authenticated, the conflict of interest exists in a huge way, as Ryan is now authenticating his own material for GAI for the person he sold it to.

The bottom line is this, if GAI really wants a legitimate operation in unopened authentication, they need to hire Ryan or someone with the expertise to be able to authenticate the material, as a full time employee and get them out of their own conflicting business. That is the only way it can work without questions arising. Honestly, I believe Ryan is making a critical mistake involving himself in this manner, as he opens himself and his personal business up to unnecessary scrutiny from any authentication prior to him, and there is no way for the collector to know when the pack was authenticated, whether it was by Ryan or someone before him. It is a disaster waiting to happen if you cannot already see it unfolding before your eyes on this message board, and this is only a tiny segment of collectors. There are plenty of others who don't post on here who know what's going on with GAI and this kind of stuff. It is these types of controversies and a seriously flawed business plan that will ultimately spell the demise of GAI in the near future.

baseballfanatic

Steve Hart will be doing the same thing for PSA............

stevek

<< <i>Number one. A "black light" is not used.

Authentication is determined by a roller mark examination.
Authentication is determined by a corner fold inspection.
Authentication is determined by gum size measurement for the given year.
Authentication is determined by proper card quantity per pack for a given year.
Authentication is determined by fingerprint analysis.
Authentication is determined by proper wax, cello, rack, vending, etc. seal patterns for each given year.
Authentication is determined by different wrapper variations for a given year to negotiate series designation.
Authentication is determined by myself ONLY, who privately owns examples of every year of unopened material going back to the 1940's purchased by my grandfather in the year of issue. That was hindsight, not by coincidence, but because he loved sports.

This is fact and for these reasons, Steve Rocchi, Mike Baker, and Howard Kent include me in the organization known as GAI. >>



I appreciate the reply Ryan. But evidently from various threads and even your comments, that packs which have been opened and tampered with, are being placed into GAI "unopened pack" slabs. It just seems to me that something more has to be done to ensure people that a GAI slabbed "unopened pack" truly is an unopened pack.

This has affected me. I have never bought an unopened slabbed pack but I intend to. Especially 1962 which was my first year of collecting, but I am also interested in other 60s packs, and 50s and 70s packs. But right now, sorry to say I have no confidence in GAI slabbed packs, especially for the amount of money they usually sell for. And to be fair, unless PSA comes out with an inspection/authentification system which convinces me that the packs in their slabs will truly be unopened, then I won't buy their unopened pack slabs either.

I am not an expert on blacklights or UV lights in connection with how they work to authenticate things. I think that a blacklight can show alteration of a baseball card such as recoloring or paper doctoring. I'm surprised that some sort of lighting or xray system isn't used to determine alteration of an "unopened" pack - maybe this would add too much to the cost of your service, or maybe the light is ineffective with wax paper.

waxfromthepast

A761506,
Your point is well taken and thank you for your reply. I've had this exact discussion with Global owners and your suggestion is already in the works. I hear what you're saying completely and I agree with you. Most likely, I will only discreetly purchase items for my personal collection and AUTHENTICATE full time for Global. I just wanted you to understand that the market currently has many questions that need to be answered immediately. Your current idea was my intention from the start when I joined Global on October 1, 2005.

waxfromthepast

stevek,
You are correct with regard to the black light having no effect on wax paper. It works wonders with recolored single cards though. In the future, if you choose to only purchase unslabbled packs, I offer my expertise to you so you don't get burned. Feel free to call me anytime and I'll try to answer all of your questions with regards to unopened. I don't know everything, but I'll try to help you, -Ryan

waxfromthepast

To ALL:
I'll be offline for the rest of the day. I must complete my gift shopping so it looks as if Santa made a visit to my home. I will reply tomorrow. Happy Holidays! Sincerely, -Ryan

oddball

gai has and always will be a shady company. you wouldn't buy a car from that used lot on the corner and expect it to purr like a kitten, would ya. buyer beware!

waxfromthepast

With a firing gun as an icon, you appear shady and always will too. I'm out.

Axtell

<< <i>gai has and always will be a shady company. you wouldn't buy a car from that used lot on the corner and expect it to purr like a kitten, would ya. buyer beware! >>



Come on, was this really needed? A cheap shot.

The guy is coming here trying to right a situation, and you go low blow? And nice of you to post it after he's posted he's gone for the day.

Tacky.

Mantlefan

2 comments:

[1] Nobody can 100% guarantee the authenticity of any unopened pack. Even Mark Murphy will tell you that.


[2] An active dealer should never be involved in any part of the grading process. It is an absolute conflict of interest.

WinPitcher

An advertisement perhaps if you must pick apart my attempt to help the collector. I'm a businessman, please remember.

first off the spam was in the middle of the page in its own paragraph. I did not need to pick apart like you say.

Help the collector? Yeah I saw that (line 15 of a 22 line first paragraph) AFTER you made sure gave us your full resume.

hell if I was bxb I wouldn't even know you were looking for me as the title is ALL IN CAPS yet the name isn't.

actually of the 30 or so lines that you wrote 3 were devoted to "helping the collector" the other 27 were spam and spam and spam.

so in closing while you have not offended me you surely have tried to insult my intelligence.

happy holidays


Steve

MorrellMan

<< <i>Please try to locate our latest two page color advertisement in this weeks issue of Sports Collectors Digest. It's directly in the center of the magazine and highlights our time at the last Philly 93 convention in Ft. Washington, PA. Bob Schmierer promotes a fantastic show and has for years. You'll also see our advertisements in Beckett and Tuff Stuff as well. I won't post my ads here; this is not the purpose of this thread. >>



I'm not quite sure what you're doing here, but this crap isn't going find you bxb; and, like Steve, you haven't offended me - although I must agree that you have acted offensively. This is like an actor who refuses to plug his new show because it just wouldn't be right to talk about "my new show airing on NBC Tuesday nights at 8:30 don't miss it".

Kurtman9

<< <i>Yes, this is the corrent thread. Also, someone recently ripped a '62 BB wax pack and had concerns about series. I'd like to be of assistence to this party as well. >>



Ryan, I saw your recent forum posts about the bad wax packs. I am the buyer of the '62 Topps BB GAI 7.5 wax pack and the originator of the thread in question. I am responding based on your statement that you might be of assistance to me on that issue.

I still have the wrapper, the cards, the gum and the GAI label. I also have an email response from the ebay seller that I purchased the pack from after I inquired to him regarding how he acquired the pack. My email is kurtman9@comcast.net and I can also receive private messages on this board. Any assistance you can provide regarding this situation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Kurt Juberg

ndleo

I believe that a dealer can be an authenticator for sealed packs as long as it is disclosed to the market. Conflicts of interest occur in a lot of activities that are much more important than grading sealed packs - law, finance, politics, business. The potential for abuse occurs in any situation, the best you can hope for is that safeguards are in place.

Forcing Ryan or Steve or Mark Murphy to quit their business in order to authenticate packs is ridiculous. The reason these guys are consider experts is BECAUSE of their business. They have seen literally thousands of packs and have the specific knowledge needed to authenticate.

I for one would want them to make most of their money selling unopened material. That is the best safeguard you can have - their business reputation. In this hobby, that is all that matters. If it got out that they were authenticating re-sealed packs (which, thanks to the internet, would happen very quickly), then they stand to lose all their income. That alone should keep them honest.

Stone193

Talking about spam - why is it so popular in Hawii?

mike

ctsoxfan

<< <i>I won't post my ads here; this is not the purpose of this thread. >>



A little late for that, isn't it?

I strongly agree that an absolute conflict of interest exists when an active dealer is involved in grading and/or authenticating the same items. How would it be, for example, if Levi from 707 went to work for PSA as a grader? If I'm missing something here, please tell me.

rana

Ryan, I have some GAI pack grading suggestions and questions (I realize some of these are not authentication issues).

Overall, the GAI pack holders are great for being tamper resistant. I've never seen one successfully resealed.
Can you clarify if GAI still uses qualifiers (such as OC) on packs. Or was this only in the past? The grading guidelines don't mention this. Example
Does the assigned pack grade ever take the likelihood the pack is authentic into account? For example can a GAI 9 condition pack with only a 90% calculated likelihood of being authentic get slabbed as a 7 instead of a 9? Or do you not communicate authenticity percentages to the graders, just yes/no.
I would like to see clarified the role card centering and visible card corners/edges/print/surface plays in grading of cellos. Nothing is mentioned in the grading scale about this, but one of the other GAI pages does mention this. Grading, Other Hints
I would like to know how GAI grades wrapper centering. Centering seems to affect eye appeal of packs less compared to cards, and it seems GAI agrees, and often lets what would be a miscut for cards (wrapper print going down the side of the pack withe blank space opposite) pass for a fairly high grade, such as a 9.5 that should require 55/45 centering according to the guidelines. I don't personally mind this, but I think the grading guidelines should reflect the actual practice or include some wiggle room for subjectivity. Example Example Example
I hope GAI plans to modify their holder someday to prevent the gum from moving around and causing wrapper tears.
I hope GAI plans to modify the holder so the back is less glossy and the seal could be read better after being slabbed.
I would like to see the grading guidelines be more specific about how wax boxes and vending boxes are graded. Do they open the wax boxes and look at each pack? Do the pack conditions factor in? Do the visible vending box card corners factor in?
If Paul Wright is no longer around, please make sure GAI properly updates their web site in this respect. I see his name there at least twice.
Make sure GAI finds a more reliable supplier for oversized holders, to cut down on related order delays.

Thanks,
Erik

ndleo

I would rather have Levi Bleam as a grader rather than someone less knowledgeable.

Just because there is a conflict of interest doesn't mean that there is a scam going on. Of course it would be ideal to have someone quit their business just so it appears that everything is kosher. However I wouldn't make it a requirement. Making Steve or Ryan quit their business wouldn't do anything except make a few people feel better.

If they really wanted to pull a scam, they could do it with or without their businesses. It is up to the hobby to police the grading companies.

waxfromthepast

Mantlefan,
I've known Mark for years, we're good friends, and I'm going to San Diego to hang with him this coming Monday. Only I can guarantee that a pack is 100% legit; Mark Murphy himself will tell you that. Call him, here's his number, (619)223-5050, and make sure you wish his family Merry Christmas too. No better yet, fax him at (619)223-5051: he's still asleep for it's 6:45 AM PST

waxfromthepast

Win,
The title of this thread is: BAD 1962 BASEBALL WAX PACK - LOOKING FOR bxb !

I don't think I can be more obvious than that. Anyway, bxb and I have been in contact, so drop the insult of intelligence issue altogether; that is NOT my style. And I meant no disrespect either. For anyone looking for advertisements, pick up your latest copy of Sports Collectors Digest; there's plenty of ads in there. Guys, Merry Christmas!

WinPitcher

For anyone looking for advertisements, pick up your latest copy of Sports Collectors Digest


Or.just read Ryan's original post.

No disrespect intended either, not my style.


Steve

waxfromthepast

Stone193,
The movie "50 First Dates" w/Adam Sandler and Rob Schnieder showed a lot of spam as well although I've never tried it.