20 cents Philippines coin - 1913 or 1918? Please help!!!

mailliwainareb

Can anyone tell the real date of this 20c philippines coin. This coin was submitted to PCGS as 1918S and came back as 1913S. Please help which is correct.

1jester

Wow! It sure looks like a 1918, but the 8 sort of looks like a 3 in the lower left corner. I wonder if there's something like a 1918/13? Filamcoins or Justhavingfun will have some fun with this one.

Spinynorman

I'd agree that it's a 1913 with die chips, making the 3 look like an 8. I don't think the gap where I put the arrow would be there on an 8. If I had those dates I'd do an overlay, but I don't.

mailliwainareb

mailliwainareb

Should I resubmit this coin to PCGS for mint error?

FilamCoins

Don't know if they'll attribute it, but I'll take the 13-S over the 18-S any day

What's the whole coin look like???

mailliwainareb

Here is the full picture....... jetblack740il

1jester

That's a superb BU 1913-S 20 centavo piece!!!



PS: What's the story on the black BMW 740iL??

FilamCoins

Sure looks like a 13-S from this view. Nice coin!

Clankeye

From the overview it absolutely looks like a 13.

Justhavingfun

Dear Mr. Filam:

If you have a 1913 and 1918 at home, why don't you pull them out and compare with the picture he sent?

I looked through the US-Philippine odds and ends I have at the house and the closest 20 centavo I had was dated 1920. The upper serif of the "1" was entirely different from the 1 shown. Now that was the first year at the Manila Mint, so things may have changed that year. But maybe not. And if you can pull out a 1913 and/or a 1920 twenty centavo, you may be able to nail this down conclusively.

Warm regards,


Just Having Fun

mailliwainareb

Here are some more pictures to view.

mailliwainareb

Mr. Jester, I don't mean to ignore you but here is my answer to your question.

Yes, that BMW jetblack 740il was a birthday present from my wife August 1994. Since then they always call me Mr. jetblack740il. So I since then I started using jetblack740il on everything. I wanna use it here as well but I don't know if I can change it.

1jester

Do you mean change your handle (nickname)? Probably not, but why not simply register a new handle and go from there?? Sounds like a nice idea to me; there are plenty of people who are fond of cars who have cars as handles, ie Fairlaneman, SS350Camaro, etc. I'd personally like to be able to be called 3.0CSi, for example.



PS: You have an awesome, and understanding wife! I guess you'll never be able to get rid of that wonderful birthday present...

TaiNoHenka

Here are some pics that might help. On photo1, it's clearly a 3 there. Photos 2 & 3, which are closer to Mailliwainareb's were both slabbed as 1918's.

1jester, you might be right about the possibilility of a 1918/3-S. If you look at Spinynorman's photo detail, I think you can see on the 8 something that looks like the 3 of this 1913-S.

Justhavingfun, it's hard to tell but I think that the 1918-S 20 centavos might have two types, just like you said about the 1917-S 1 centavo. And another thing about these 1918's is that the mintmark looks inverted on one of them. I'll get some clearer images of them up soon.



Photo 1 1913-S 20 centavos


Photo 2 1918-S 20 centavos


Photo 3 1918-S 20 centavos

TaiNoHenka

Photo 1

TaiNoHenka

Photo 2

TaiNoHenka

Photo 3

jetblack740il

with that...... does it mean that this coin is a good candidate for presidential review? any suggestions?