1990 Penny no s
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I have a 1990 penny no s. I this the real deal?
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balisong
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They have a mirror look and the strike is much stronger than a circulation cent.
Only Proofs have an "S" for cents. Meaning they were struck at San Fransisco. Somehow, a few were struck without the "S" Mint Mark. Therefore, appearing as if they were minted in Philadelphia since, cents with no mint mark are minted in Philadelphia.
So, in order for you to have the no "S" Proof. You would of had to buy the coin for a premium since they are not released into circulation. Even then you would have to find one with NO "S" and there were only a few without the "S" so it would be highly unlikely to find one but yet possiblle.
I found this in my pocket change several years ago. The field appears to be shinier that other 1990 Lincoln cents and it also appears to have had the frosty appearance on the Lincoln memorial and Lincoln's profile on the Obverse. I'd assume it wouldn't be impossible to have found the the 1990 no S cent in circulation. But also it would be highly unlikely that this Lincoln cent is the no S mint mark cent.
Through our the years I've found quite a few S proof Lincoln cents in my pocket change.
Within the past month I've found A 1969 S and a 1972 S proof cent. I'd assume it could be quite possible to have found the 1990 no S mint mark in circulation. Next to nil of of course.
What are your thoughts on this coin?
Are you sure the '69-S and the '72-S are proofs?
Circulation strike. Not a proof. The toning might be trucking you into thinking it has "frost".
While I often dump proofs into a coinstar, simple statistics makes it nearly impossible for a 90 no S proof to be one of those.
When you find the 1990 no S proof Lincoln cent in circulation ... please post it.
I'm quite sure. When I get the opportunity I'll post pics.
I've also found a 1983 S cent and 68 s cent in jar of pennies.> @jmlanzaf said:
So what are the main characteristics on this particular coin that make it impossible to be the no S cent? I'm not questioning your expertise, just wanting the a bit of knowledge. I've been searching for this answer online but can't seem to find much info. Its a bit confusing at times. I have found proof coins in circulation but I'm having difficulty . This particular coin seems to have more detail than the others. Like I state, I trust your knowledge and hoping for some feed back.
Try this:
Pick up a piece of paper and hold it in front of you. Are you holding a mirror? No, you're holding a piece of paper. Is it possible that you're holding a mirror? No, you're still holding a piece of paper. Maybe you're holding a dirty mirror? No, it's a p-i-e-c-e o-f p-a-p-e-r.
Proof coins produced in 1990 have mirror surfaces. Yours doesn't. There is no way that a piece of paper could be mistaken for a mirror. Similarly, a 1990 circulation strike coin cannot be mistaken for a proof.
Here is my example of a certified 1990 no S PROOF cent. Compare it to your example.
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Okay so what your saying that these proof coins are not susceptible to losing a bit of of shine in circulation. That's amazing, that would be impossible due to the fact that these are copper coated coins. I've got several proof coins that have been found in circulation and sorry to break your heart sir but it's impossible that a circulated coin would keeps it's pristine luster in circulation. so grab yourself a circulated proof cent and tell yourself, that that coin is still in mint condition, it's not. Now pick it up again and repeat the process Richard. I'm sorry sir but that coin will not look as if it's a proof. Slightly maybe, but not exactly sir.
Why are so many of you numismaniacs such sarcastic uhhh people? High school is long gone sir, no need to play the role anymore. I was only seeking a bit knowledge. I know sarcasm. I don't need that lesson. Just a little helpful knowledge. Let go of the pent up frustration constantly rubbing your coins. A woman would alleviate your need to be uhh a not so pleasant person. Thanks for the help Richard. You see I know how to be sarcastic.
Proof coins, if heavily circulated and really worn, can be hard to tell the difference. However, your coin displays enough detail that it's easy to see that the rims are squared (never were) and the detail is lacking. It's not a proof.
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@chrism210 First off your coin looks like a business strike coin not a proof. Even a circulated proof will have a different look. The odds of finding a proof No S in circulation are astronomical. Even if you had a huge stack of 1990 proof sets your chances of finding one are still not good. This is why you are getting the responses you are getting, you have a better chance of hitting the Powerball lottery. Is it impossible? No But the odds are about a billion to one. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightening 3 times in the same day than finding a 1990 proof No S in circulation.
Three of the four dates you mentioned were made for circulation. Can you post images of the coins?
Which would be my whole point. From 1968-74 the San Francisco mint produced cents for circulation. So no one is doubting that you found coins in circulation with those dates, but that they are unlikely to be proofs. Of course some of these low value proof sets are broken up and released into circulation, but the chances are very, very slim.
They will lose some shine but they have to wear down a lot before there is none Send it in. Well worth the cost of submission, if you are so sure. All of us look at it and are quite sure based on strength of strike, squaring of rims, lack of frost, and lack of mirrors that it is a business strike. But you don't have to believe us, you can submit it to PCGS for their evaluation.
There are a lot of impaired proofs out there, especially cents from those years. A regular CRH would find them. The 1990 is a different story, of course. But there's no point dragging the other coins into this discussion. Whether they are or are not proofs, it is only going to create more arguing from the OP.
The poster's reaction is why I have mostly stopped replying to threads started (or hijacked) by new members.
Another person who came here for validation, not education.
Your coin is definitely not a proof, no sharp squared edges and it has some minor issues common to circulation strike coins but unheard of on proof coins, misaligned dies, struck weakly on AMERICA on the reverse. It is certainly possible for proof coins to get into circulation but you have to consider how they get there. Often dealers and collectors dump low value coins back into circulation because they are not worth bothering with, this would include impaired proof coins, or proof coin singles from proof sets that have been broken up. There are certainly other ways but these would be the most common. It would be extremely unlikely for a dealer or collector to completely miss a valuable coin like this! Add all that to the fact that there were verry few made to begin with, opposed to millions of regular proof coins and there is virtually no chance of one being in circulation.
If you read the begining of my post, you'd see that I have a clear understanding that most likely it wasn't a proof cent. I get that okay. Richards rude sarcastic reply is the reasoning for the comments. I'm not stating that my coin is a proof. This coin had a bit of a shine to it and also had sharper details. I was just wanting to know some characteristics of proof coins. I've read on many forums how newbys are encouraged to ask questions. So questions are asked and many reply with such sarcasm. If we are encouraged to question, why such sarcasm. One would assume that a little professionalism would take place of childish sarcasm. It's a bit annoying for some seeking a little knowledge.
Put a raw proof and raw business strike in your pocket and carry them around in your pocket with the rest of your loose change. Look at them both every now and then. I don’t know how long it will take, but at some point you’ll have all of your answers.
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Im a coin newb, ive asked questions here about certain coins i found. I was told they were nothing special. I moved onto the next coin.
These guys dont have to give a highly descriptive response why a coin isn't special. They are here doing this for free. Some will give great free info if they feel like it.
There are books if you really want to deep dive into a certain coin and what makes them valuable or not.
As for the perceived sarcasm, this is the internet. You need tough skin, just brush it off.
And its best if you start your own thread when asking about a coin. It gets more views from more people to answer your specific question.
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The OP (well, the second OP) is the one who brought sarcasm and inappropriate comments to this thread, with gems like:
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I re-read all the replies just to be sure and I see nothing but people trying to help and people trying to deal with an argumentative
newbie.
You have been told that it is not a proof, that it is lacking the specific stated characteristics of a proof, and you have been shown a photo of an actual proof cent.
And BTW, unless heavily worn down to the lower grades, a modern circulated proof will retain mirrored fields in and around the devices (design and lettering).
Your cent is heavily tarnished and has had some rub on the high points, perhaps creating what some people call "circulation cameo".
The reason for me asking about the coin that I've got is because I've got a 1983 S proof cent which I found in my pocket change and the two look very similar > @ifthevamzarockin said:
When Ive got the chance, I'll send you a pic of a 1983 S proof cent I found in circulation. They look very similar. I'm not stating that what I've got is a proof cent. Just wanted to show how a newby might mistaken my coin as a proof. It would be nice not to receive replies that are not so childish and idiotic. I understand that at this stage in my learning of this new hobby, 99.9% of the time I'm going to be mistaken. I get that. Some explanation as to how I'm mistaken would be nice. Any knowledge gained is much appreciated. Thank you to all those whm have that understanding. If you can't reply without all the sarcasm, simply don't reply. Thanks
@chrism210 There is no doubt that proof coins can be found in circulation. I have even found some that are very heavily circulated and you have to look close to see that they are proofs. I have never found one that I couldn't tell the difference. I understand you are new to the hobby and there is a learning curve for each collector. There are lots of folks here to help you learn.
You say you just came here for knowledge. You're getting the benefit of some knowledge. You just don't like what you're hearing because it doesn't agree with your wishful thinking. You say that you aren't stating that it's a proof, then proceed to argue how it could be. You say that you want an explanation of how you might be mistaken, and you've received several such explanations... then call others here childish and idiotic. So, what exactly is our motivation to continue to try to educate you?
I'll close by restating this borrowed quote from @jmlanzaf
"...Send it in. Well worth the cost of submission, if you are so sure. All of us look at it and are quite sure based on strength of strike, squaring of rims, lack of frost, and lack of mirrors that it is a business strike. But you don't have to believe us, you can submit it to PCGS for their evaluation."
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I believe I discovered a 1990 no S proof in my spare change.
That is a regular business strike coin. You did not strike it rich. You did not find the no-S proof 1990 Lincoln cent. However, you did find a coin worth one-cent.
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This is a 1990 proof cent missing the S.
Do you think your coin looks like that? 🤔
That is a Philadelphia mint issue. At that time, no Philly cents had mint marks.
"Proof" coins are a special strike. They look very different from a business strike. They have mirrored fields and cameo devices during that time period. They are manufactured differently.