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Michael Irvin

No, he ain't back on the pipe......he never left it! Maybe ESPN will seize upon this latest development and give Mikey his own feature on NFL Live......maybe call it "What Have You Been Smokin'?"

One thing for sure though......this explains why he's been one of the only guys defending T.O.
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  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    Hopefully ESPN loses the mouth ... what an a$$hole.

    As an Eagles fan, I respect Aikman, Emmit, Danny White, and the Moose, to name a few.

    I can't stand Irvin, and this is why. Ever since he was a Hurricane boogin it up (until Penn State whooped him) I never liked the guy.

    HOF? Not before, and not now.

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  • 1420,

    Correct me if im wrong . You " respect " guys like Emmitt, Moose, White ect... because why ? Maybe because they were quieter guys on the field of a team you despise . Perhaps because they didn't celebrate or try and get the team pumped quite like Irvin did. Like him or not, when asked who was the heart and soul of the championship years both Aikman and Emmitt always state it was Irvin

    btw, Is it ok for Mcnaab when he is " boogin " it up doing his lame a$$ Michael Jackson dance in the endzone after a T.D? . Whats the difference exactly
  • And I had just read an article in Cigar Aficionado that somewhat changed my opinion of him. For instance, he was poor growing up in a family of 1000 kids and wanted to prove to his dad that he could make it (his dad died early).

    After his fame, he got hooked on gambling, prostitution, and drugs, but he seemed clean and making a good living on TV. But I guess that some things are very hard to kick.

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  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    cardcore, I don't like Irvin. He was/is a drug user, and is a loudmouth. I do not think too much of his character either. The other cowboys I mentioned seemed to be very professional about winning ... and their personal life.

    With the exception of Chad Johnson's "river dance", I don't care much for endzone celebrations, including McNaab.

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  • carew4mecarew4me Posts: 3,471 ✭✭✭✭
    With the exception of Chad Johnson's "river dance", I don't care much for endzone celebrations, including McNaab.

    A damn classic that one is!

    Loves me some shiny!
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Irvin being slighted from being a first ballot HoF induction was a sham.

    Whatever happens off the field has NOTHING to do with his hall of fame career that took place on the field.

    These sheagle fans claiming he's not worthy are laughable.

  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    I for one hope mike is clean. if he takes this drug test tomorow or whenever, i hope it comes back clean.

    If not he has a disease he cant kick. good luck to him and his family.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    First off Irvin (IMO) belongs in the Hall of Fame as one of the greatest WR's ever to wear a Cowboy jersey. The problem I will have with this whole deal is if he is lying about the pipe being a

    "friend of his who has a problem and Im trying to help him, didnt want my kids to see it"

    If thats the truth ok, but I have a hard time believing that he forgot about it being in his car, if not the truth then he is a clown for putting it on someone else and not having the integrity to say ...Hey I screwed up and nobodys perfect. I got stones in my closet as well as you but admit when you screwed up and move on.
  • he just explained it on espn. I think he is clean. He looks like he is on the verge of crying. He said its a friend and that he has proof that it was his friends. Ill give him benfit of the doubt.
  • This was Mary Jane, not Cocaine..Big Freakin deal, 70% of America puffs every few months or so...



    Am I speaking Chinese?



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  • This was Mary Jane, not Cocaine..Big Freakin deal, 70% of America puffs every few months or so...

    Site your sources for the 70% figure please. And yes, it is a big deal.
  • yawie99yawie99 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This was Mary Jane, not Cocaine..Big Freakin deal, 70% of America puffs every few months or so... >>

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  • Wow yawie - I expected better from you, having seen you post in the past.....you really think inhaling carcinogens is no big deal?
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    I thought it was a crack pipe? its weed now?
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>Wow yawie - I expected better from you, having seen you post in the past.....you really think inhaling carcinogens is no big deal? >>



    And no, it's not a big deal.

    Drug use as a whole is completely overblown in this country, but the policing and jailing of drug users is BIG business.

    It's an easy win for police, and lots of money for contractors to build bigger and bigger jails.

  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    There were an estimated 2.6 million new marijuana users in 2001. This number is similar to the numbers of new users each year since In 2002, over 14 million Americans age 12 and older used marijuana at least once in the month prior to being surveyed, and 12.2 percent of past year marijuana users used marijuana on 300 or more days in the past 12 months. This translates into 3.1 million people using marijuana on a daily or almost daily basis over a 12-month period(1).


    HARDLY 70 percent of the population.

    if that was the case then almost 210 million people would be smoking dope.

    edited to add: maybe 70 percent here do though.




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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow yawie - I expected better from you, having seen you post in the past.....you really think inhaling carcinogens is no big deal? >>



    yes, i'm about to go burn one now..
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  • ...that's too bad - I expected more from most of you guys.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>Wow yawie - I expected better from you, having seen you post in the past.....you really think inhaling carcinogens is no big deal? >>



    Speaking of inhaling carcinogens, smoking tobacco is completely legal, although it's as addictive as any illegal narcotic and much more deadly.

    But it's not a replacement for the multi-billion dollar big pharma products, so it's good for Americans!
  • No need to sell me on that one - I've seen plenty of older Vets smoking out of the little hole in the front of their neck at the VA medical building!....You would think that throat cancer would wake 'em up.....

    Don't get started on the American pharma companies - anyone who follows the news closely knows these businesses have no interest in "curing" anything America has......

    ...just my opinion, but the weed is a big deal - I've seen it turn some friends into nothing resembling a person.
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    the weed makes you lazy!! the crack makes you crazy!

    which one was it? weed or crack?
  • i think there was a study done that showed weed did less harm to ones brain and body than alcohol use.. Can't find it because im to lazy.
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>...just my opinion, but the weed is a big deal - I've seen it turn some friends into nothing resembling a person. >>



    what did they look like?
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  • dallasactuarydallasactuary Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭✭✭

    image alert!

    Seriously, guys, short of all of us moving to the planet Utopia, where elves sprinkle their magic pixie dust and create cures for all known diseases out of flowers and the morning dew, exactly what alternative to free enterprise are you proposing for pharmaceutical R&D?

    And pot is illegal for the same reason that seat belts are mandatory and the fine game of lawn darts is no more - we are a nation of sheep who look to the government to be our shepherd.





    This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
  • exactly what alternative to free enterprise are you proposing for pharmaceutical R&D

    That's part of the problem - there is no other viable method at this time.......and it's not so much the R&D I have questions about. It's more of "how much" the public is told, or not told about their meds.

    I would guess the Merck incident was not isolated?.....hope I'm wrong.

    However I think the point Axtell was making was that it's wrong for "pot" to be illegal, while there are other meds that alter behavior also, that other people will prosper from selling.

    ...anyway, I still think Irvin is guilty.......a zebra doesn't change it's stripes, especially when it's babied by the best zookeeper in the United States!


  • << <i>No need to sell me on that one - I've seen plenty of older Vets smoking out of the little hole in the front of their neck at the VA medical building!....You would think that throat cancer would wake 'em up.....

    Don't get started on the American pharma companies - anyone who follows the news closely knows these businesses have no interest in "curing" anything America has......

    ...just my opinion, but the weed is a big deal - I've seen it turn some friends into nothing resembling a person. >>





    Did they turn to other drugs? If so thats why. Those that can smoke a bowl every so often and have never done anything else are the ones Im talking about. I just tossed 70% out there, who the heck knows. Youd be surprised I guarantee that.

    Am I speaking Chinese?



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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh please...stop with the conspiracy theories on how the big drug companies don't want to cure people. Do these companies want to make lots of money? - of course! But to believe all those many thousands of lab technicians are told to try not to cure people and to try not to eliminate various diseases is just plain silly.

    As far as Irvin - Guilty until proven innocent.
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    whoops!!
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Anyone who thinks big pharma would rather sell cures than treatments is not opening their eyes.

    Of course it's in their best interests (financially) to treat people rather than cure them. But that's on the opposite end of what's actually best for people. Why cure cancer, or AIDS, or any other disease when you can treat people for the rest of their lives?

    As far as guilty until proven innocent? Sounds like a jealous eagle fan who's never had a top flight receiver spewing jealousy and hatred. Last time I checked, in the USA, it was the other way around.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< As far as guilty until proven innocent? Sounds like a jealous eagle fan who's never had a top flight receiver spewing jealousy and hatred. Last time I checked, in the USA, it was the other way around.
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    Please allow me to rephrase my comment... HANG 'EM HIGH!
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< Anyone who thinks big pharma would rather sell cures than treatments is not opening their eyes.

    Of course it's in their best interests (financially) to treat people rather than cure them. But that's on the opposite end of what's actually best for people. Why cure cancer, or AIDS, or any other disease when you can treat people for the rest of their lives? >>>

    You should maybe spend some time on the various cable TV science and learning channels instead of on porn websites. Then you'll understand just how difficult and complicated are these diseases to cure. Besides there are numerous other institututions and universities working on cures and they haven't found them yet either.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PS: Michael Irvin is a pimp.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    What's the last disease that was cured?

    Lots of breakthroughs in therapies, and treatments...but you'll be going back a long, long way to find a cure for anything.

    Polio was a pretty tough disease to cure...but we did it in the 20s....but with infinite computing power, untold advances, we still can't cure anything else?

    Come on now.

  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< What's the last disease that was cured?

    Lots of breakthroughs in therapies, and treatments...but you'll be going back a long, long way to find a cure for anything.

    Polio was a pretty tough disease to cure...but we did it in the 20s....but with infinite computing power, untold advances, we still can't cure anything else?

    Come on now. >>>

    This is a good point but these were diseases like polio, smallpox, etc., which basically did not mutate. Aids is constantly mutating just like the common cold that we can't cure because of that. You can kill one strain but there are other strains mutating that the drugs won't work on. Certain types of cancer are basically "curable" but there are dozens of types of cancers, all with different variations which may never be cured because of our basic individual human genetic structure.
  • yawie99yawie99 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭
    No, I don't think allowing people to make informed decisions on what they ingest is that big of a deal. I also think the War on Drugs has been a colossal bipartisan failure and that the illegality of marijuana is a counterproductive drug strategy.
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< I don't think allowing people to make informed decisions on what they ingest is that big of a deal. >>>

    No! That is a very, VERY bad idea and not just for the obvious health reasons for a drug user. And anybody who thinks drugs such as marijuana are "harmless" hasn't read the facts - and I'm not going to debate here these known facts with those who smoke the wacky weed and want to stick their heads in the sand and believe that smoking marijuana is safe.

    Another important reason is the public safety - especially driving. Drunk drivers are bad enough and "high" drivers on drugs are of course as bad and worse. There are hundreds if not thousands of other safety reasons as well, such as an person high on drugs drawing a bath for their infant child and scalding the child because of being high and not properly adjusting the water temperature. Again...numerous other examples can be cited of drugs interfering with proper judgment which affects the individual person, their children and other family members in the home, as well as the public safety.

  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    FWIW the POLIO Vaccine was created in the early 50's by Dr. Salk.

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  • yawie99yawie99 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭
    I don't think anybody here is saying marijuana is completely harmless and I don't think anybody's advocating the freedom to drive while under the influence. However, people are saying that on the continuum of mind-altering substances marijuana is much closer to alcohol than it is to the substances with which it is typically lumped. (Actually, it seems to be less taxing on the mind and body than alcohol, at least based on the anecdotal evidence I have gathered.) Yet, our collective approaches to alcohol and marijuana differ vastly.

    On one hand, in between commercials for, say, Zoloft and Strattera, Pete Coors or A. Busch IV are telling me to party it up but to do so responsibly, while on the other PDFA is telling me that anybody who smokes pot is, at best, a lazy bum incapable of contributing to society and, at worst, a criminal who fuels terrorism. There's a certain bit of disconnect there, and that irrational approach to marijuana use might actually exacerbate problems associated with drug use and the drug trade.
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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i><<< I don't think allowing people to make informed decisions on what they ingest is that big of a deal. >>>

    No! That is a very, VERY bad idea and not just for the obvious health reasons for a drug user. And anybody who thinks drugs such as marijuana are "harmless" hasn't read the facts - and I'm not going to debate here these known facts with those who smoke the wacky weed and want to stick their heads in the sand and believe that smoking marijuana is safe. >>



    Why not allow people to choose what they ingest? We allow it with alcohol and tobacco (which are HORRIBLE for you)...why not with other stimulants?



    << <i>
    Another important reason is the public safety - especially driving. Drunk drivers are bad enough and "high" drivers on drugs are of course as bad and worse. There are hundreds if not thousands of other safety reasons as well, such as an person high on drugs drawing a bath for their infant child and scalding the child because of being high and not properly adjusting the water temperature. Again...numerous other examples can be cited of drugs interfering with proper judgment which affects the individual person, their children and other family members in the home, as well as the public safety. >>



    Do you really think that marijuana and the like are illegal because of the public safety issue? Do you really think the government cares one iota about it's people? If that's the case, then why are so many things allowed to be sold in this country that are so bad for people?

    So a guy who's high who drew a bath that's too hot? What about the oh, 50 THOUSAND or more people who are killed every year by drunk drivers on america's highways? What about the countless millions who have died from lung cancer?

  • dallasactuarydallasactuary Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Do you really think that marijuana and the like are illegal because of the public safety issue? Do you really think the government cares one iota about it's people? If that's the case, then why are so many things allowed to be sold in this country that are so bad for people?
    >>



    The government behaves in the same manner as nearly all humans, whether individually or collectively. It acts in whatever manner creates the most wealth or power for itself, until or unless enough people shout "no more!". In other words, you're exactly right, it doesn't care even a little bit about "public safety" for its own sake. In the case of marijuana, for example, we are far less "safe" as a society because the stuff is illegal than we would be if it were legal - by making it illegal, we are suffering the same problems that we faced during Prohibition only on a smaller scale. But, because it is a smaller scale, there are not enough voices shouting "no more!" to make a difference; as far as I know, National Review is the only mainstream national publication officially on record for the decriminalization of marijuana. The situation with cigarettes is approaching the same point - if the government tries to exert very much more control or extort too much more money then either the people will slap them down (unlikely), or commerce in cigarettes will move to the black market (very likely).

    We, as a people, have simply lost the ability to mind our own business. We face a million risks a day that make the dangers of marijuana and second-hand cigarette smoke pale in comparison (like overeating, drinking, driving cars, crossing streets, building fires in our fireplaces, cooking with hot oil on our stoves and on and on), but because ALL of us want to continue doing those things the government stays away. Then, we look away when the government decides to take away rights from people who want to partake of a vice that we don't happen to share - and even pat ourselves on the back for our superior morality. If you've ever applauded a gun control law, or a cigarette tax increase, then (1) shame on you, and (2) please stop acting all shocked that the government has outlawed marijuana, or whatever it turns its attention to in the future.

    This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
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  • Edited the post to remove an attack, as I don't want to start a fight that isn't worth it. Long story short, I think the majority of you could benefit from reading a little more political philosophy, US history, and basic economic theory. Or at least you could sound a little more intelligent.

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  • To each their own... as long as they aren't driving the school bus or at the controls of the ICBM launch site.
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  • You're kidding when you say you believe him after what he said on ESPN right? He frisked his friend and found a crack pipe? Then didn't throw it in the garbage but put it in his car!!! Yeah right and I'm going to whip out my jetpack and fly away! I'm a big Dallas fan and he made a huge contribution but let's not lose sight that this guy is a jerk and a druggie all the way.
  • apparently it wasn't a crack pipe, but a pot pipe....must be a legal difference...
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  • << <i>the weed makes you lazy!! the crack makes you crazy!....
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    ..and that white liquor will make you smack your mama!
  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭


    << <i> apparently it wasn't a crack pipe, but a pot pipe....must be a legal difference... >>



    According to what they were talking about on Dallas's sports radio show "the ticket" today it was a crack pipe. Irvin hugged/patted down the "individual" who came over for thanksgiving and found the pipe. He didn't want to throw it away in case people go through his trash so he stuck it under his driver's seat. It was in I believe an expensive sun glass case... it sounds pretty fishy to me!
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< According to what they were talking about on Dallas's sports radio show "the ticket" today it was a crack pipe. Irvin hugged/patted down the "individual" who came over for thanksgiving and found the pipe. He didn't want to throw it away in case people go through his trash so he stuck it under his driver's seat. It was in I believe an expensive sun glass case... it sounds pretty fishy to me! >>>

    Michael Irvin can be a consultant if they ever do a North Dallas Forty movie part 2.
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    << <i>the weed makes you lazy!! the crack makes you crazy!....
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    ..and that white liquor will make you smack your mama! >>



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