Any neat Cuds out there?

Dismeguy

Was updating the cud section of the seated dime web-book and thought it might be fun to start a cud thread. The 1853 With Arrows date for dimes is rich with cuds due to overworked dies. How about other seated series or any series in general? Are there certain dates with a higher frequency of late die states and shattered dies? Help us with the background.

Let's see what you have.... I know this will not be a mint state picture posting thread....

Here is a late die state 1853WA dime (arrows are hubbed).

Smitty79

Found this in a bank roll some time ago.

Rampage

Very cool Seated Dime!

JrGMan2004

Wish MrHalfDime had pictures of some of his coins online He and another Gentleman recently did an article for the John Reich Journal about all of the Capped Bust Half-Dime cuds... had lots of great pictures in there... I've also got a few cudy half times... I'll see if I can take some pictures this afternoon

Dismeguy

JrGMan, would love to see your cuds...

pursuitofliberty

This could be an interesting thread ... hope we get lots of pictures


baby rim cud on Shield Nickel rev




another baby one on a Seated Quarter obv




probably not a cud, but awfully close

DoctorPaper

Here's a real old cud on an ancient Greek coin (350-400 BC). I call it the "snot rocket" or "the moustache.

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rottnrog

4 double cud 1970-D die cap strike nickels from same die.

NumisOxide

1873-P No Arrows, Closed 3 seated half dollar

Nysoto

1806/inv 6 O.111a double cud and 1795 O.103a half dollars, both very rare in this die state:


The 1805 and 1806 half dollars had the highest frequency of cuds, 1805 had 4 reverse full rim cuds and 1806 6 reverse full rim cuds, the obverse cuds for these years were retained except for the unique 1806 O.105a. Chris Pilliod has theorized that the reverse die was the hammer die for Pre-Turban halves, as physics dictate that broken edges will fall off of the hammer die, but stay retained on the anvil die. I believe IHC's are the same set-up.

Dismeguy

Guys, keep them coming....this is fun. Here are a few other "bad" 1853 With Arrows seated dime dies....both reverse dies are paired with unhubbed date and arrows obverse dies.

eyoung429

Here's one that I was trying to bid on but missed the close of auction
1888-O

DoctorPaper

Big cuds on this half cent reverse:

slumlord98

First up is a previously unknown and unlisted die state, 1805 O.105 with a retained cud. Overton lists the earliest state of this, the third use of Reverse C, as having a fully developed cud. This would beg the question, what is the transition point of Rev. C? Did the last striking of 104 (2nd use of rev. C) show the crumbling rim, or did it happen during the striking of 105s? This still doesn't provide the definitive answer, but it brings us closer to the transition point.





Next is the typically seen die state of 1805 O.105 It shows the developed cud. There is a late state with two full cuds, but my images are too big.





Next is an early state of 1806 O.111, with a retained cud.





Next is a late state 06 111 with two fully developed cuds, the same as Nysoto posted earlier. On the obverse, the dentils are missing between S7 and L as the metal has followed the path of least resistance by filling the cud area.

Craton

grip

Jason
That's some huge cud.Never seen one that big on a lincoln.
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Al

RobJoyce1921dVAMguy

Here's my biggest Lincoln cud on a 1988.

relayer

Those Lincoln cuds look pretty massive

Barry

This cud at star 1 defines the variety of the 1796 JR-1 dime:

Cladiator

1832 Capped Bust Half Dime, LM4 with retained cud above cap

Dismeguy

Those Lincoln cuds are awesome....I've never seen a seated dime with that amount of die breakage.

Here are a few more seated dimes with cuds from my collection. Now let's move to 1891 and the Philadelphia mint, another high mintage year with over worked dies.

MrHalfDime

Ohhhhhhhhhh, man! You guys are killing me with those spectacular cuds. Some of those are awesome! I love cuds, and as JrGMan says, I actively collect them on the Capped Bust half dimes. I recently coauthored an article in the John Reich Journal (JRCS Journal) about cuds on the Capped Bust half dimes. I now own nice examples of 24 of the 25 known die marriages with cuds. Unfortunately, I do not have the ability to post any pictures of them, so you will have to get a copy of the article in order to see them. Perhaps the most spectacular example I have is the 1832 LM-10.4 plate coin in the Logan/McCloskey Federal Half Dime book, shown on page 219. This is one of the (if not THE) largest cuds known on any Bust coin (that's right - the largest cud on the smallest coin). The retained cud is huge, occupying the entire area of TES OF A above the scroll on the reverse. The die break was so massive that the date did not strike up on the obverse because there was insufficient opposing pressure to force coin silver into the date numerals of the obverse die.

That tears it. I am just going to have to purchase a digital camera and participate in these interesting threads.

Dismeguy

MrHalfDime, we can talk about this on friday on the way to the Boston show....

That tears it. I am just going to have to purchase a digital camera and participate in these interesting threads.

lathmach

This large cent has a pretty heavy break. I was watching it, but decided not to bid.

Ray

RobJoyce1921dVAMguy

More big honkin' lincoln cuds:

Unknown date (LC-ND-27) Memorial Reverse. Notice the missing reverse detail from the Blakesley effect when there was not enough force to strike up the opposite side.



1982 with a quarter of the reverse die gone. Notice what it did to the obverse, again the Blakesley effect



Cool, huh?
Rob

Craton

<< <i>Jason
That's some huge cud.Never seen one that big on a lincoln.
.
Al >>



Had two identicle. Sold them both to Pete Bishal so who knows where they are now.

MikeInFL

I just realized I'm cud-less. How about a filled die instead?!?

DoctorPaper

Here's another half cent with a cud. This is called the "4 star break."

MrHalfDime

MikeinFL:

Your 1832 half dime is not actually a 'filled die', wherein some foreign substance like grease from the coin press filled the recess of a die, preventing details from properly striking up. Your half dime, with the 'filled 8', resulted from a piece of the die representing the upper loop of the 8 actually breaking out. This happened during the LM-12/V2 die marriage, and all coins struck from that obverse die subsequent to that break exhibited the same 'filled 8". That same Obverse 5 was used later in two other die marriages - LM-13/V6 and LM-14/V7, and they all exhibit the same filled 8.

After publication of my aforementioned article in the John Reich Journal, a couple of collectors have suggested that such 'filled numerals' and 'filled letters' should also be classified as 'internal cuds', and perhaps, by definition, they should. They resulted from a die break. I was only concerned that, by extension, all die crumbling would then be classed as a cud, and we would soon lose the intended meaning of a 'cud'. So if it makes you feel any better, many would call your half dime an 'internal cud'.

Without seeing the reverse, I cannot attribute your half dime, but it appears to be a very nice coin, perhaps either the LM-13 (R3) or LM-14 (R4).

MikeInFL

<< <i>Without seeing the reverse, I cannot attribute your half dime, but it appears to be a very nice coin, perhaps either the LM-13 (R3) or LM-14 (R4). >>



Thank you for the explanation. I guess I'm not cud-less after all!!!

Since you asked, here is the reverse:



I bought it as a LM-13...Mike

elwood

Here's a progression...

Dismeguy

Steve, really neat progression....

DoctorPaper

How about a colonial cud (Massachusetts 1/2 cent)??