Home PSA Set Registry Forum

[spam?] 1967 Set # 12 is up for auction

2

Comments

  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>What I find insane is that Wondo took the time to read the entire thread and all he can come up with is a childish comment. You don't want to answer my questions. Where are you from, and what is your connection to the seller? Your token bid was just above the 10K he was looking for. Enough to get the ball rolling. Now you are going to cost someone an extra 1K for the set. This is one of those times when a non-response is just as good as one. >>



    Oh come on...you're being ridiculous now. You don't think no one else would have bid over 10k if Wondo hadn't? Talk about petty!



    << <i>
    Edited to say- I would like to let this go. I have said what I wanted to say, but if Wondo wants to answer my questions that would be great. >>



    You'd like to let it go, but not before coming out and now DIRECTLY accusing the seller of shilling his auction?

    Yeah, you're ready to let it go.

    edit: Looking at the bid history, there are THREE seperate bidders who have bids over 12k. So your theory that it cost someone a grand is as ridiculous as you are.

    Not.
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭


    << <i>edit: Looking at the bid history, there are THREE seperate bidders who have bids over 12k. So your theory that it cost someone a grand is as ridiculous as you are. >>



    Axhole- This is a common falsity. Those three other bidders wouldn't have been pushed to their highest bids if Wondo had not placed a bid. Thus never testing their ceiling bids. You are wrong. You are the wrong person to respond to my post. Give Wondo a chance to comment.
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jayhawk - I don't post much on the forums anymore but I've been on here for several years. I find it appalling that you have accused a longtime and respected board member, 1967Topps, of shill bidding. I suggest you stick to collecting 90's insert cards and leave the serious collecting to the big boys. You obviously know nothing about the vintage market if you're accusing a respected collector of shill bidding his item at a price level that is below what many dealers would pay for this set.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>
    Axhole- This is a common falsity. Those three other bidders wouldn't have been pushed to their highest bids if Wondo had not placed a bid. Thus never testing their ceiling bids. You are wrong. You are the wrong person to respond to my post. Give Wondo a chance to comment. >>



    How do you know they wouldn't have gone to 12k? Do you know the 3 bidders? Do you know they wouldn't have gone to 12k without Wondo's bid?

    I find it reprehensible that you are here, spouting off (yes, you are spouting) that this seller used a shill buyer to get bids up.

    I find it even more so that you are doing so with no proof other than your own hallucinations.
  • WondoWondo Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭
    There is no need to reply or defend baseless accusations. My profile is public and up to date; not everyone who is involved in this thread has provided that information. Why don't you ask Bill, Rob, Alan or Marshall who I am?

    Wondo

  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭


    << <i>There is no need to reply or defend baseless accusations. My profile is public and up to date; not everyone who is involved in this thread has provided that information. Why don't you ask Bill, Rob, Alan or Marshall who I am? >>



    I don't need to ask them. I am asking you because you are here and should answer what your connection is to the seller. Period. You are so lame, because you are being outed.



    << <i>I suggest you stick to collecting 90's insert cards and leave the serious collecting to the big boys. >>

    No, I collect 00 inserts. Not really.



    << <i>Do you know they wouldn't have gone to 12k without Wondo's bid? >>

    Again, you are missing the theme. Without his bid there would be no need to reveal their highest bids.



    << <i>You obviously know nothing about the vintage market if you're accusing a respected collector of shill bidding his item at a price level that is below what many dealers would pay for this set. >>

    The SMR on this set is over priced compared to the fair market value. 1/2 of the commons are worth maybe half of SMR 8-12/each. The listed cards have a SMR value of about 9K. The fair market value is close to 9K. The other half of the commons might be worth an average of $18/each. The set is getting very close to its complete market value for a collector.

  • WondoWondo Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't need to ask them. I am asking you because you are here and should answer what your connection is to the seller. Period. You are so lame, because you are being outed. >>




    image
    Wondo

  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭


    << <i><< I don't need to ask them. I am asking you because you are here and should answer what your connection is to the seller. Period. You are so lame, because you are being outed. >> >>



    Your the best. Friend. Go lions.
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You obviously know nothing about the vintage market if you're accusing a respected collector of shill bidding his item at a price level that is below what many dealers would pay for this set. >>

    The SMR on this set is over priced compared to the fair market value. 1/2 of the commons are worth maybe half of SMR 8-12/each. The listed cards have a SMR value of about 9K. The fair market value is close to 9K. The other half of the commons might be worth an average of $18/each. The set is getting very close to its complete market value for a collector. >>



    Sure there are the Lee Maye's that go for 1/3 SMR. But then there are the Duke Simms' that go for 6x-8x SMR. Tell you what, you put together an all PSA 8 NQ 1967 set for $9k and I'll gladly pay you $11k for it. That's an easy $2k for you. Are you willing to take up my challenge???
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>
    Sure there are the Lee Maye's that go for 1/3 SMR. But then there are the Duke Simms' that go for 6x-8x SMR. Tell you what, you put together an all PSA 8 NQ 1967 set for $9k and I'll gladly pay you $11k for it. That's an easy $2k for you. Are you willing to take up my challenge??? >>



    Of course he isn't...it's apparent he's jealous (or something, who knows) and is doing everything he can to diminish this great set and it's worth.

    Apparently there are several who are more than willing to shell out 'way' over what it's 'worth' according to this genius.
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    What you are doing is providing exceptions to every rule. I am sure you can add a few more common cards that go for prices like the Simms and in between, but in the end the majority can be had for the prices I stated. I don't have to do anything to diminish the value of the set. Current market is what it will be. Ebay vs an auction house. The auction house would have brought more $$$ in the end for the set. I think the seller has limited his value on the set.
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    wow, jayhawke, you really are sounding ridiculous..
    ·p_A·
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    This afternoon I logged on to the site from a hotel i was staying at but ccould not post. I was though amazed that the accusations had not ceased.

    I feel that the set will go for around 15k

    I wanted to ask 67 Topps what he planned on doing with the dough. are you simply cashing out? or are you gonna build another set? In any event i am sorry that the thread degenerated the way it has. I want to wish you the best of luck with the sale and the next endeavor.

    SD
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    nevermind, the current hi bidder I no longer think is Brian Wentz.


    SD
    Good for you.
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭


    << <i>wow, jayhawke, you really are sounding ridiculous.. >>



    I hope I cut and pasted your comments to your satisfaction. So, what you are saying is that everything I posted up to that point wasn't ridiculous. I knew you have agreed with me the entire time.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Jay

    I know for a fact that Perry DID NOT agree with you.

    when he posted that the 2 were different folks it appeared that he may have. I Pm'ed him and asked what he meant. I asked "perry are you saying the 2 are in cahoots"?

    his exact words were...... "No not at all"

    . his post was a tad confusing and could have been construed that he was in fact in agreement with you. I can assure you he was not.

    67 topps thought the same thing and after I saw his reply i pm'ed him and told him what i am basically telling you.


    I hope this puts that theory to rest.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So, what you are saying is that everything I posted up to that point wasn't ridiculous. I knew you have agreed with me the entire time. >>



    no, what i am saying is EXACTLY what i said, word for word, no other meaning.

    i'll say it again, you really are sounding ridiculous.

    are you able to comprehend that without trying to twist the meaning to make it sound like you actually have anyone in agreeance with you?
    ·p_A·
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Jay-

    What are you trying to accomplish here? You said several posts ago you were done, and would welcome Wond's comments. Wondo posted, but still you can't leave well enough alone?

    You were wrong here, and yet cannot admit it?

    What's your ego trip about? Why are you so adamant in trying to prove you're right?

  • and then jay hawke with a superfluous 'e' woke from sleep, crawled to the keyboard and wrote

    >>I guess while we are at it, some of the 8's sure look borderline for center. Blow up the scans and I am surprise with some of the corners that the cards got into 8 holders. >>

    I'm not in the wiwag business. If you win the auction, (but you won't), take it up with PSA any cards you don't like
    the grading of. Send it in and ask for a re-grade. That is what I have told other buyers, before, too.
    ebay:1967topps
    1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
    Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
  • >>1967topps- Threaten to sue his arse and threaten to sue CU if they don't pull the thread. Isn't that how it's done on these boards?

    LOL I'll just let the multiple bids from different people do the talking, before anyone accuses me of
    being behind each of the identities that have bid.

    ebay:1967topps
    1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
    Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
  • >>What was your toughest card to get & how happy were u when u got it.

    Last cards ungraded were Seaver and Al Dark. Last card graded 8 was Andy Etchebarren of all people.
    I was so happy I jumped into the air until gravity took over.

    ebay:1967topps
    1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
    Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
  • Wondering if ANYONE here has done a transaction with jayhawke, or if he is just some kind of heckler
    when he's not busy calling in to radio talk shows on a daily basis
    ebay:1967topps
    1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
    Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
  • sagardsagard Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Oh, now people know the bidder? I would love the bidder to join the discussion. That '62 topps might have made its way back to ebay, but just under different user name. Can Wondo be or belated to ncaahockeychamps? No scans yet, but some of his descriptions sure do sound like the scans of the cards Wondo won. Is there a MN connection? Everyone on the board knows Wondo, where is he from?
    >>



    Another swing and a miss. I can say with 100% certainty ncaahockeychamps is not Wondo. "ncaahockeychamps" is sagard123.
  • acowaacowa Posts: 945 ✭✭
    Sims at 17 X SMR

    Well Centered SIMS link

    I think your Demeter card would probably bring 10X at minimum.


    Regards,


    Alan
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wondering if ANYONE here has done a transaction with jayhawke, or if he is just some kind of heckler >>



    I have done a few transactions with her and they were wonderful. Your best friend Wondo still hasn't admitted his personal relationship with you. Now where did you guys meet and what is your connection? You still refused to tell the board. Let's try to stay focused and work through your issue. To save the integrity of your auction, you need to do the right thing and remove his bids. Something is foul in Denmark. Radio shows are so boring.

    Come on let this go.

  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭
    Great set!!!.......looks like you are doing well with bids..........Good luck!!
    Collector of:Baseball
    1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better

    Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
    Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
    Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete


  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    do the right thing and remove his bids


    bids? I see one bid

    SD
    Good for you.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>
    Come on let this go. >>



    Jay-

    You are the one who is feeding upon this with such tenacity.

    Why are you so unwilling to let this go?
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    wow, you wonder why many have fled from these boards. prime example here.
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭


    << <i>wow, you wonder why many have fled from these boards. prime example here. >>



    And the hobby.
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭


    << <i><< wow, you wonder why many have fled from these boards. prime example here. >>



    And the hobby. >>



    I wasn't talking about shilling. I was talking about the misguided attacks with no apparent reasoning behind them except for the sole purpose of trying to get under other peoples skin
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I wasn't talking about shilling. I was talking about the misguided attacks with no apparent reasoning behind them except for the sole purpose of trying to get under other peoples skin >>



    I am not trying to get under anyones skin. Reread my posts. So now, we don't need proof, but reasoning. So which one is it? I suppose it depends on your mood, environment and who is the one talking. I am trying to put this to rest, but others would rather stir up the dirt.
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    this is why I stayed away from this. you don't have proof. the guy bid in the 1st 7 hours , who gives a sh*t. I bid 5k in the 1st few minutes of an auction the other day , that makes me a shiller. you have neither reasoning or proof. you went off on a tangent because someone 60% of smr in the 1st 7 hours. I feel for the seller that you have made an attempt the tarnish his auction for no good reason. fortunately , your true colors have come out and it is highly unlikely anyone will pay any attention to you .


    psa should do what's right and just hit the delete button on this useless insane thread.
  • With a day to go, 72 watchers. Please all bid extraordinarily high to make sure only you win (like that Legendary
    572 Demeter PSA 8 auction a few years back where 2 guys bid like 1100 dollars to make sure they won).
    I will not be canceling Wondo's bid since everyone else would have had to bid 9135 or more to meet
    the minimum.

    So we all know about jayhawke, what ever happened to jaybyrd on these forums?

    And thanks for all the buzz...a topic with 82 replies looks hotter than one five days old with no replies.
    ebay:1967topps
    1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
    Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
  • P.S. maybe I should block bids from Curt "Schilling"
    ebay:1967topps
    1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
    Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Paul I wouldn't cancel any bids.

    I been watching it myself from afar.

    good luck!! i bet it ends higher though i am betting 15k

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • ejguruejguru Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    "...life is but a dream."

    Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
  • ejguruejguru Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    I can't see it going for under 16K--as much as 17.5K. GO PAUL!
    "...life is but a dream."

    Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I'll go for that!!

    Just thinking aloud, not trying to put a hex on it! hehe

    Good luck 67

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So we all know about jayhawke >>



    So you don't want to let this go. What do we all know about jayhawke?



    << <i>I will not be canceling Wondo's bid since everyone else would have had to bid 9135 or more to meet >>

    Typically, crap response. Just cancel his token extra $1,000. You just needed him to get the ball rolling to protect your investment. Anyone can be a Monday morning quarterback.

    Edit- Since you wanted to open this up again, I'll give you some free PR to get the buzz back into this thread and auction. I have been looking at this through the wrong end of the pipe. Wondo make sure you put your snipper bid in to get this investment grade set. Show everyone you really want this set. It is a lot different than the vg-ex 1962 set your won.
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    edited ... just because
    collecting various PSA and SGC cards
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭

    not edited - because jayhawke is 100% complete ass.. and a dumbass as well..
    ·p_A·
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    pa,

    You add nothing but insults. You truely are the dumbest ass.

    edited-because you did
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>pa,

    You add nothing but insults. >>



    thank you, i try..



    << <i>You truely are the dumbest ass. >>



    evidently not when it comes to spelling..
    ·p_A·
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    "thank you, i try.." to be a douchebag


    "evidently not when it comes to spelling.." That's right you are Pulitzer Prize winner.

  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cogito ergo sum
    Mike
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    EJGURU you had it pegged................16K great job 67!!

    congrats!


    SD
    Good for you.
  • yes, CONGRATS!!!

    decent price, I think both the seller and buyer got good deals.

    Fair offering..


    The Link below will take you to the PSA Boards 1952 Set Build, I also have made 5 slideshows each slideshow is 100 cards long, card numbers 1-99,100-199,200-299,300-399, and 400-407
    Link To Scanned 1952 Topps Cards Set is now 90% Complete Plus Slideshows of the 52 Set
  • ejguruejguru Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    More evidence that I don't know much, but one thing I do know pretty well is the 1967 Topps set. I agree that both seller and buyer couldn't have done better if they went to a auction house--juice both ways would've hindered further action. Still, to my mind seller makes out well saving on postage of buying cards 1 at a time or even small lots, and picking all of the low pops that, when sold, go for 3X-7X+ SMR. Congrats to Paul and the buyer!
    "...life is but a dream."

    Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
Sign In or Register to comment.