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Franklin Fans, 53-S MS-65FBL

MJPHELANMJPHELAN Posts: 800 ✭✭✭
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This one's reserve is 20,000 including the juice. I would be curious to hear the Franklin experts give their opinion on this coin.

1953-S MS-65FL Franklin
Mark

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  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great strike, though can't see the lower bell lines that well. Looks lustrous and clean, with a few noticeable marks in the upper cheek. Breaking $20k would be interesting to see.
    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    I'm no expert, only been submitting Frankies for a few months, but if I was the submitter, I'd be sooo disappointed that it didn't get the second only 66fbl grade. Methinks the 1953d 66 non-fbl I got a couple months ago isn't that clean.

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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154 ✭
    Gorgeous coin. I can't see why that coin didn't 66.

    Personally, if I ever had the money to buy a 53S FBL, it wouldn't be a coin that merited the designation under PCGS minimum standards. It would have to be "all there". Having said that, the Heritage coin looks to be all there and then some. If I was in the market for that date, that's the coin I would be after. Someday that coin will be in a 66 holder.
    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin


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  • MadMonkMadMonk Posts: 3,743 ✭
    I wouldnt pay anything near that for the arguably minimal eeek into the FBL arena. But, I'm a student of Ehrmantraut. I would absolutely have to see the coin in hand, and the bell lines would have to be full to the naked eye.
    Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Firstly Heritage has two apparent different styles of photography. The first style shows the coin more as it actually appears, and I call them the "detail pics" which usually include the full slab. The second style, which these pictures fall under, I like to call "flatter pics" as they really flatter the coin, do not show color well, do not show hits well, generally flood the coin with light and the glare on the coin prevents some details from being seen. This second style generally does not show the slab and has a lot of white space around the coin.

    With that having been said, for one thing the bell lines look weak in the center and this coin either got a gift grade or falls into the "just made it" catagory. The obverse is clean except for a lot of noticable hits in Franklin's hair (hence the 65 grade). Note that the 3 wisps of hair in front of Franklin's ear are NOT well defined. The reverse is very clean with some definition in the bell lines and a clear "pass and stow". This coin does have a good strike for a '53-S but if it were some other date, it might not have made the FBL designation. It's hard to get a feel for how the coin actually looks with these pictures, but I would say the coin most likely has a nice russet tone on both sides.

    I think this is a VERY nice coin for a '53-S but after considering the price tag, many very nice if not nicer non-fbl examples can be had for much cheaper. If I had the money, would I buy it? Ummmmm....like I said it is nice, and I do like Franklins, but there are many many other coins I would rather own for that money.
  • HeywoodHeywood Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭
    Agree with Robertpr.

    It would be intersting if you could have some of these coins pass through the process only looking at the rev.
    Although it should be completely objective, you have to think that a coin that takes a big jump in FBL will be looked at differently.

    When I look at a coin for FBL, I often think " Would this come back FBL 9 or 10 times out of 10" if not, I will probably pass.

    I think the rev is a 66, borderline FBL, and the obv is 65a


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  • foodudefoodude Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭
    As many others have already said, can't grade the coin, or comment on the designation without having the coin in hand. I've seen several PCGS desingated '53-S FBLs, and currently owned one (PCGS MS65FBL). If this coin is all there with the designation, and it is above average for a 65, including above average eye appeal, I wouldn't be surprised if the price approaches $20,000.
    Greg Allen Coins, LLC Show Schedule: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/573044/our-show-schedule-updated-10-2-16 Authorized dealer for NGC, PCGS, CAC, and QA. Member of PNG, RTT (Founding Platinum Member), FUN, MSNS, and NCBA (formerly ICTA); Life Member of ANA and CSNS. NCBA Board member. "GA3" on CCE.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I wouldn't be surprised if the price approaches $20,000. >>



    Nor would I. An MS64FBL brought around $14K recently.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • foodudefoodude Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭
    FYI. It didn't meet the reserve. Now available post auction for $20,125.
    Greg Allen Coins, LLC Show Schedule: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/573044/our-show-schedule-updated-10-2-16 Authorized dealer for NGC, PCGS, CAC, and QA. Member of PNG, RTT (Founding Platinum Member), FUN, MSNS, and NCBA (formerly ICTA); Life Member of ANA and CSNS. NCBA Board member. "GA3" on CCE.
  • SUPERCARCOINSSUPERCARCOINS Posts: 1,152
    ......can't tell from a picture; but it looks A- O.K !!
  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭


    << <i>......can't tell from a picture; but it looks A- O.K !! >>



    Isn't that a contradiction? You can't tell from the pic but it looks ok?

    Cameron Kiefer
  • DickyBetzDickyBetz Posts: 3,825


    << <i>

    << <i>......can't tell from a picture; but it looks A- O.K !! >>



    Isn't that a contradiction? You can't tell from the pic but it looks ok?

    Cameron Kiefer >>



    A bit nitpicky tonight are we?image
  • SUPERCARCOINSSUPERCARCOINS Posts: 1,152
    to be more precise for a lug nut ......
    you cant tell sheet from a computer image , so it therefor must be a piece of crap . Happy now woodhead ??
  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Supercar - You make me laugh - clear the air in one puff!
    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • MJPHELANMJPHELAN Posts: 800 ✭✭✭
    Did anyone on these boards see this coin in person?
    Mark

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