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dakotadakota Posts: 235
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Well ....not sure if somebody started one of these already but let me try and get it started.Maybe I can lure some old timers out of hiding.
A few years back, right about this time, I had completed the top 74 set for the first annual Psa registry awards.To show how far things have progressed, that set doesnt even make the top 5 all-time sets anymore(the one I retired was an already broken down version).Im sure it is similar with other years as well. When I first started the set,74s had not even been validated and weighted.Carlos Aponte(great guy) was one of the few others who was building the set and he probably put the request in for it. At that time if you wanted certain cards,you needed to find them and submit them yourself although Gaspipe and BBCE were pumping out high quality graded 74s and selling on ebay and were a terrific source.I dont think LSD and 3 sharp corners were mass submitting there high volume overgraded cr*p quite yet. I would pick up every high grade raw 74 set I could get my hands on, which I believe was similar to the Great Frank Bakkas strategy with 72s.Most of the cards would be submitted and put into the set and trade or sell the dups with other collectors.
Anyways,to make a long thread even longer, it was a very fun experience. I eventually broke up the set and probably built it again a second and third time in graded form. The 74s are my favorites.Many of my cards ended up in some of the great sets that followed:Scott Wetzels(are you still around?), Ken "74s rock" Owens(sideplate),Wayne Ellis's unbelievable set,Mark Koll,and a guy who seemed to always be the winner of many hi grade 74 auctions the last 2 years...Gary. Gary is the current top dog and if you wanna see an incredible set,then take a look at what he has put together.Carlos(carkim) I believe put his set in an major auction and was one of the first to sell a 70s complete graded set.Luxurywines bought it and sold off the 9s,replaced with 8s and then flipped the complete set.If I left anyone out I apologize.

Now I couldnt completely be without 74s so I decieded to build a raw 74 set with the nicest cards I could find and store them in Cardsaver 1s. I would put this set up against any set in the world with the exception of maybe Scott Bradshaws.If you are familiar with that guys raw sets then you know what Im talking about.I had very strict criteria for this set.I recently sent in some of these beauties and I will include a scan or two of my favorites.Let me know what you think.
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  • dakotadakota Posts: 235
    Wow,
    How could I forget. Todd Schaffer was also one of the original 74 set guys who completed a 100% set and Steve(Machodoc???) put together a very impressive set at one point. And rumor has it that a guy with a pretty sharp eye for cards is building an SGC set.
  • MachodocMachodoc Posts: 541 ✭
    I too like the 1974 set and often feel it is the Rodney Dangerfield of the early 1970's issues. I don't know where my set ranks right now, probably #3 or #4 on the registry, but I have sent it to Mastro and it along with nearly all of my Kellogg's sets will be in the December auction.

    Steve
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    dakota, why do you keep breaking up the sets if you like them so much? Don't you want a set to take to the grave? image

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • dakotadakota Posts: 235
    Softie,
    Its the challenge and the thrill of the chase and besides how could I fit all that plastic in my coffin. Maybe ill just buy Machodocs set and try and make another runimage
  • milbrocomilbroco Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭
    Gentlemen,
    A friend of mine has a store and he offered me a tomato box of about 4,500 commons from 1974 for $90.00 There were about 15 Washington Nat'l League cards. The majority of the cards are probably nrmt to nrmt-mt. Is this a good deal?
    Thanks,
    Bob
    ebay seller name milbroco
    email bcmiller7@comcast.net
  • RayBShotzRayBShotz Posts: 1,088
    I love these dedicated threads! You guys keep on keepin those 74's alive!
    RayBShotz
    Never met a Vintage card I didn't like!
  • 67standup67standup Posts: 833 ✭
    Oooh, I don't think this was Topps specific, so I'll chime in. 1974 has often been considered one of the toughest - if not the hardest - OPC year. Until this year, I had only seen one complete set for sale in 10+ years. Low POPS too, but probably due to Rodney Dangerfield syndrome. High grade Yaz and Rose (among others) are difficult to find.


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  • dakotadakota Posts: 235
    Cool Opc cards!! Cant say I have ever seen any 74 opchees to be honest.
    Bob,
    Cant go wrong on that pick up of 4500 commons.If you dont want em...Send them to me and you can make some $$$ off the top.
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    Ahh, 74s, those do hold a special place in my heart, they were the first cards I ever bought in pack form. Could by 10 packs for a buck. Was never fond of the design, but thought the some of the action shots were cool. Good luck to all on this one.

    Stingray
  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just started building my 74' set in 8 or better w/no qualifiers. I lost a few 74' lots on Ebay last week. Im glad to see a thread dedicated to 1974s.

    MY GOLD TYPE SET https://pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/complete-type-sets/gold-type-set-12-piece-circulation-strikes-1839-1933/publishedset/321940

  • lowstartmicklowstartmick Posts: 304
    I suscribe to the Scott Bradshaw method of raw set building and the 74's are one of the easier years to compile a true mint raw set , I have to surmise it's because they don't enough love.
    The Bradshaw raw sets are legendary, I have always wondered if he "cheated", by cracking 9's and 10's for his raw sets. They are that nice!!
    Whoever said we wash away with the rain ?
  • mcastaldimcastaldi Posts: 1,130 ✭✭
    Downtown1974> At the risk of spamming the thread, I currently have a lot of 1974s on eBay right now which end on Saturday. I'd guess there are over 100 and are split pretty evenly between 8s and 9s. Another 65 or so 1974s went off to Newport Beach today.

    My Auctions

    Mike
    So full of action, my name should be a verb.
  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭
    Does Scott Bradshaw have a website or should I say a 76 set for sale?
    Collector Focus

    ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
  • mcastaldimcastaldi Posts: 1,130 ✭✭
    Straw> Bradshaw usually brings his super-high-end sets to shows, but don't know how interested he is in selling. Everything I've heard is that he asks absolutely ridiculous prices for those sets. Perhaps someone who knows him can shed some more light on this.

    Mike
    So full of action, my name should be a verb.
  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Posts: 1,794 ✭✭
    I have both a raw 1974 and raw 1976 set that I built in the 1980s. Not sure the conditions, probably all over the place with nothing too high end. I have on my list to inventory each of them and sell them come springtime. If I recall correctly, I think I traded over (1000) 1975 cards I had to build these two sets since the years (73-76) were my prime collecting years as a kid.
  • SoutherncardsSoutherncards Posts: 1,384 ✭✭
    I'm building a 74 set through the SCG registry in SGC 84 or better. Its a really nice set and I'd love to hear from others what their experience is with this set.
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He once told me he'd sell his best raw 1971 set for $30k. I've looked through some of his premium binders he keeps behind the tables. I managed to find a handful of NM-MT cards in those books, mostly high pop cards. At 50% SMR in raw form, I could buy them cheaper already graded PSA 8 or 9. So I usually walk past his table unless the show is really, really thin on vintage raw material.
    https://ebay.com/sch/gemint/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
  • Late1970sToppsLate1970sTopps Posts: 750 ✭✭✭
    I asked Scott about his raw 1974 set about 18 months ago and was told the asking price was $22,000. Frank
    Looking for 1975, 1978, and 1979 Topps Baseball in high end PSA 9 and PSA 10.
    ______________________________________
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  • gaspipe26gaspipe26 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭
    I have no idea how he sells any cards.
  • TwinsthreepeatTwinsthreepeat Posts: 278 ✭
    Does anybody here know who has the Tony Oliva #190 PSA 10?
  • mcastaldimcastaldi Posts: 1,130 ✭✭
    Bob> I'm not sure he's interested in selling. The impression I get is he's more interested in showing off.

    Mike
    So full of action, my name should be a verb.
  • TwinsthreepeatTwinsthreepeat Posts: 278 ✭
    Mike,
    thanks for the reply, bob who? I didn't see it in the registry.
    Thanks,
    Jason
  • mcastaldimcastaldi Posts: 1,130 ✭✭
    Twinsthreepeat> I was replying to Gaspipe, not to you. I have no idea who has the Oliva.

    Mike
    So full of action, my name should be a verb.
  • SideplateSideplate Posts: 141
    Just in case you '74 guys did not see it, Gary Nusbaum has his # 2 set up for sale on eBay. It is the #4 current finest and is called “The RB Set". If you have never worked with Gary in the past, let me assure you he is first class. I have had dozens of off eBay deals with him and he is as straight up as it gets. This is an awesome set if you have not checked it out.

    Ken
  • blondmomentblondmoment Posts: 26 ✭✭
    Is this thread alive. Working on 74's in PSA 9 and need about 100 to complete.
    Collecting '52-'54 in PSA 7, '55 to '67 in PSA 8, '68 to '79 in PSA 9. See me on the set registry as GI's XXXX Set. Thx.
  • gaspipe26gaspipe26 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭
    I just listed 35 9's
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I just listed 35 9's >>



    Glad you got over the burned out feeling gas! Good luck ...

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • WabittwaxWabittwax Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have always wondered if he "cheated", by cracking 9's and 10's for his raw sets. >>



    Cracking a PSA 10 for a raw set is undoubtedly about the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Talk about not liking your money. On another thread, people were saying how grading a complete 1988 Donruss set is a waste of money. Then I hear of something like this. Wow. I'm assuming this is a joke but I'm sure some gazillionaire out there has probably already done it.


    Edited to add: Sorry about hijacking the thread, I just had to respond to that.
  • ChrisKKChrisKK Posts: 148
    There is a nice high grade set available in the current Mastro auction. Over 85% complete of the master set. ALL in PSA 9 grade !!!!


    Chris
  • gaspipe26gaspipe26 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭
    Is it yours Chris?
  • ChrisKKChrisKK Posts: 148
    yes, my 1974 and 1970 baseball sets are both in the current Mastro auction (lot 1573 and 1570) I never thought I would sell either, but an oppertunity has presented itself and I can't pass it up. I know I'll take a loss on the cards, but I will have a better return on the new venture.

    bid high, bid often imageimageimage

    chris
  • gaspipe26gaspipe26 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭
    I think I was just outbid on the 74, I'm still high on the 70 I think.
  • ChrisKKChrisKK Posts: 148
    Good luck. Just think of the break up potential !! I still have both sets regestered and ALL the pics for the 1970 set. If you want any pics for the 74 set, just ask.

    Chris
  • dakotadakota Posts: 235
    Gaspipe,
    Why not submit a bunch from your garage and save yourself a ton of money???
  • ArnyVeeArnyVee Posts: 4,246 ✭
    If anyone has a 1974 Luis Tiant PSA 9 (or 10), I'd be interested in purchasing it. Drop me a PM here on the boards or e-mail me at SCMAuctions@aol.com

    Thanks!
    * '72 BASEBALL #15 100%
    * C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
    * T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
    * L. TIANT BASIC #1
    * DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
    * MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
    * PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
    * '65 DISNEYLAND #2
    * '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
    * '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1

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  • wyldeoneguruwyldeoneguru Posts: 23
    I have noticed there is a fair amount of activity lately both on E-Bay and with the PSA set Registry with people adding cards and upgrading. Its nice to see as we are starting to see alot more graded material for sale recently which really helps. Lets keep this thread rolling as I would love nothing more than to see those of us trying to build this set be able to help one another out.
  • kadokakidkadokakid Posts: 426 ✭✭
    Wyld:

    You still in on the 80's Hockey break?

    Let Bob know.

    Peace
    Trying to complete 1970 psa set.
    45% complete.
  • BkritzBkritz Posts: 1,093 ✭✭
    Here are some 74s just back from grading. If anyone is interested in singles or a lot, just PM with what you want. If someone would want a starter set of 8s, I could give a group price on all the 8s.

    73 06561278 1974 TOPPS 225 PAUL SPLITTORFF N/A 8
    74 06561279 1974 TOPPS 501 EDDIE LEON N/A 9
    75 06561280 1974 TOPPS 500 LEE MAY N/A 9
    76 06561281 1974 TOPPS 502 DAVE LaROCHE N/A 9
    77 06561282 1974 TOPPS 505 BILL BUCKNER N/A 9
    78 06561283 1974 TOPPS 498 PAT CORRALES N/A 5
    79 06561284 1974 TOPPS 496 TOM MURPHY N/A 8
    80 06561285 1974 TOPPS 488 ANDY ETCHEBARREN N/A 9
    81 06561286 1974 TOPPS 483 BRAVES TEAM N/A 5
    82 06561287 1974 TOPPS 484 CARMEN FANZONE N/A 9
    83 06561288 1974 TOPPS 485 FELIPE ALOU N/A 9
    84 06561289 1974 TOPPS 486 STEVE STONE N/A 9
    85 06561290 1974 TOPPS 487 TED MARTINEZ N/A 9
    86 06561291 1974 TOPPS 480 WILLIE CRAWFORD N/A 9
    87 06561292 1974 TOPPS 477 WORLD SERIES GAME 6 N/A 9
    88 06561293 1974 TOPPS 478 WORLD SERIES GAME 7 N/A 9
    89 06561294 1974 TOPPS 479 A's CELEBRATE WIN 2nd CONSECUTIVE CHAMP 9
    90 06561295 1974 TOPPS 470 A.L. PLAYOFFS N/A 9
    91 06561296 1974 TOPPS 471 N.L. PLAYOFFS N/A 9
    92 06561297 1974 TOPPS 472 WORLD SERIES GAME 1 N/A 8
    93 06561298 1974 TOPPS 467 WINSTON LLENAS N/A 9
    94 06561299 1974 TOPPS 466 DICK BILLINGS N/A 8
    95 06561300 1974 TOPPS 218 JOHNNY BRIGGS N/A 8
    96 06561301 1974 TOPPS 211 CUBS TEAM N/A 9
    97 06561302 1974 TOPPS 195 CARLOS MAY N/A 9
    98 06561303 1974 TOPPS 196 JIM FREGOSI N/A 9
    99 06561304 1974 TOPPS 198 DAVE CASH N/A 9
    100 06561305 1974 TOPPS 199 MIKE KEKICH N/A 9
    101 06561306 1974 TOPPS 192 MARIO GUERRERO N/A 9
    102 06561307 1974 TOPPS 188 RUDY MEOLI N/A 9
    103 06561308 1974 TOPPS 189 JIM BREWER N/A 9
    104 06561309 1974 TOPPS 191 AL FITZMORRIS N/A 9
    105 06561310 1974 TOPPS 184 RANGERS TEAM N/A 8
    106 06561311 1974 TOPPS 185 JOSE CARDENAL N/A 8
    107 06561312 1974 TOPPS 176 JOHN LOWENSTEIN N/A 9
    108 06561313 1974 TOPPS 177 DAVE ROBERTS N/A 9
    109 06561314 1974 TOPPS 178 GARRY MADDOX N/A 9
    110 06561315 1974 TOPPS 180 KEN HOLTZMAN N/A 9
    111 06561316 1974 TOPPS 181 CESAR GERONIMO N/A 8
    112 06561317 1974 TOPPS 182 LINDY McDANIEL N/A 9
    113 06561318 1974 TOPPS 159 JIM RAY HART N/A 7
    114 06561319 1974 TOPPS 170 BILL MELTON N/A 8
    115 06561320 1974 TOPPS 168 DANNY THOMPSON N/A 8
    116 06561321 1974 TOPPS 169 STEVE ROGERS N/A 9
    117 06561322 1974 TOPPS 465 DICK BOSMAN N/A 8
    118 06561323 1974 TOPPS 462 LUIS ALVARADO N/A 9
    119 06561324 1974 TOPPS 461 JOHN ODOM N/A 9
    120 06561325 1974 TOPPS 457 CHUCK GOGGIN N/A 9
    121 06561326 1974 TOPPS 450 RICH HEBNER N/A 9
    122 06561327 1974 TOPPS 446 LEN RANDLE N/A 9
    123 06561328 1974 TOPPS 445 GEORGE MEDICH N/A 9
    125 06561330 1974 TOPPS 437 JIM LYTTLE N/A 9
    126 06561331 1974 TOPPS 434 KEN McMULLEN N/A 9
    127 06561332 1974 TOPPS 433 LERRIN LaGROW N/A 8
    128 06561333 1974 TOPPS 427 BOBBY BOLIN N/A 9
    129 06561334 1974 TOPPS 419 WAYNE TWITCHELL N/A 9
    130 06561335 1974 TOPPS 420 RAY FOSSE N/A 8
    131 06561336 1974 TOPPS 422 GONZALO MARQUEZ N/A 9
    132 06561337 1974 TOPPS 587 LARRY CHRISTENSON N/A 8
    133 06561338 1974 TOPPS 588 HAL LANIER N/A 9
    134 06561339 1974 TOPPS 589 BOOTS DAY N/A 9
    135 06561340 1974 TOPPS 578 RALPH HOUK N/A 9
    136 06561341 1974 TOPPS 579 CECIL UPSHAW N/A 9
    137 06561342 1974 TOPPS 580 JIM SPENCER N/A 9
    138 06561343 1974 TOPPS 581 FRED NORMAN N/A 8
    139 06561344 1974 TOPPS 582 BUCKY DENT N/A 9
    140 06561345 1974 TOPPS 583 MARTY PATTIN N/A 8
    141 06561346 1974 TOPPS 569 RICK DEMPSEY N/A 9
    142 06561347 1974 TOPPS 570 RALPH GARR N/A 8
    143 06561348 1974 TOPPS 571 RICH HAND N/A 9
    144 06561349 1974 TOPPS 572 ENZO HERNANDEZ N/A 9
    145 06561350 1974 TOPPS 574 BILL PARSONS N/A 10
    147 06561352 1974 TOPPS 563 HAL McRAE N/A 10
    148 06561353 1974 TOPPS 565 MILT WILCOX N/A 9
    149 06561354 1974 TOPPS 566 JACKIE HERNANDEZ N/A 9
  • AnthonyBAnthonyB Posts: 4 ✭✭
    I have worked closely with Scott. His raw sets are the best cards that he has come across in 25 years of collecting. He has started to submit selected cards for grading at the July National and he has been getting many 9's and some 10's on his submissions.

    He has sold raw master sets in the past. Some of his sets from the early to mid 50's have been sold for his asking price.

    Collectors usually smirk at the asking price but the buyer could very well be the winner if they had all of the cards graded.

    His sales do not come from the sets but from the raw singles that are not good enough to make his master sets.

    Anthony
    If you want to succeed, you should
    strike out on new paths rather than travel the worn paths of accepted success - John D. Rockefeller
  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    So what exactly is the "Scott Bradshaw" method for set building?



    Ron
    Ron Burgundy

    Buying Vintage, all sports.
    Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
  • julen23julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
    Here are some scans from 1974 Master Set (courtesy of BBCE)

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    Julen

    ps: more to come
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    RIP GURU
  • julen23julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
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    julen

    ps: more to come
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    RIP GURU
  • julen23julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
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    julen

    ps; more to come
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    RIP GURU
  • julen23julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
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    julen

    ps: more to come
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    RIP GURU
  • julen23julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
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    DONE

    julen
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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anyone got an extra PSA 7 or 8 Pete Rose for sale?


    cb3302fan@aol.com or PM me Thanks
  • ArnyVeeArnyVee Posts: 4,246 ✭
    I'm looking for 9s of Tony Perez, Tony Oliva and Bert Campaneris if anyone has them. image
    * '72 BASEBALL #15 100%
    * C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
    * T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
    * L. TIANT BASIC #1
    * DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
    * MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
    * PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
    * '65 DISNEYLAND #2
    * '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
    * '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1

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    looking for ntmr/mt and centered cards commons or stars,buying only
    lmk
    later jeff
    set needs
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    72-77 topps baseball raw
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    payton,butkus,sayers,piccalo,ditka,hampton
    wantlist

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  • gaspipe26gaspipe26 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭
    nascar,
    email me at rjc012661@aol.com
  • hankcaddyhankcaddy Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
    currently collecting baseball of
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    1989 topps psa 10
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