It's getting complicated trying to figure out who hates each other
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It's getting complicated trying to figure out who hates each other
When I first joined this forum, figuring out who hated each other was easy. Everyone hated Stalin and Stalin hated everyone else - life was so much simpler then. Then it was the Axtell - Gemmy war which was a bit more complicated but could still be deciphered. Now it’s gotten so complex with the various feuds going on - I just can’t figure it out anymore. Maybe there should be some kind of chart listed to keep track of it all?
Keeping track of my hate is easy - I hate the Dallas Cowboys, their owner, their coaches, their players, their families, their pets, their friends, their city, their cheerleaders, their stadium, their groundskeepers, their employees, and anything and everything associated with the Dallas Cowboys including their fans. Hey come on now…I’m only kidding…I actually like their cheerleaders a little bit
Meanwhile I’m gonna sit back and have another refreshing cold one.
When I first joined this forum, figuring out who hated each other was easy. Everyone hated Stalin and Stalin hated everyone else - life was so much simpler then. Then it was the Axtell - Gemmy war which was a bit more complicated but could still be deciphered. Now it’s gotten so complex with the various feuds going on - I just can’t figure it out anymore. Maybe there should be some kind of chart listed to keep track of it all?
Keeping track of my hate is easy - I hate the Dallas Cowboys, their owner, their coaches, their players, their families, their pets, their friends, their city, their cheerleaders, their stadium, their groundskeepers, their employees, and anything and everything associated with the Dallas Cowboys including their fans. Hey come on now…I’m only kidding…I actually like their cheerleaders a little bit
Meanwhile I’m gonna sit back and have another refreshing cold one.
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Axtell - slightly annoying, but has some good points.
Gemmy10 - very annoying. Hate is a strong word, but it is hard to like a guy who obviously goes out of his way to annoy us - then is nowhere to be found.
cornholio - good guy
kuhlman - good guy, albeit a cakkaroach fan
While I don't hate anyone, Skinny is the person I'm most glad I don't know in real life because I'm sure he's a twisted and arrogant stat nerd who doesn't get along with anyone, and I like everyone else who feels Skinny is a twisted and arrogant stat nerd as well. He is a mean and arrogant bully who has now challenged me $2000 to, I think, play baseball against him, because I called him arrogant for blasting posts about how smart he is and how great a player he is and how he's just plain better than everybody else at everything. Now, he's reading this no doubt cursing me out yet again. So be it. I wish we could just get along and have intelligent sports conversations.
There are a couple of annoying Yankee fans who are fun to fight with, but certainly no hatred there. Who falls on which side of the Sox/Yankee line there is usually pretty easy to figure out. PAndrews is always entertaining and beloved by all, even if I did once wish instant death upon him.
Other than that, every one is cool. Especially if they buy baseball cards from me.
Of course the intent of the thread was to maybe cool things down a bit and the word "hate" was intentionally used to be facetious. I always state that, "I never met a fellow baseball card collector who I didn't like" and I do mean that - yes, that even includes Stalin. Although typically after another one of Stalin's tirades, I sometimes consider making an exception
I will update my post accordingly...
Those most annoying to me are the ones who are unable to see their team's faults...I won't name any names, but when no talent hacks start getting called 'clutch', well, you lose all credibility with me.
I can appreciate a fan who also understands and admits their team's faults...eagle and cowboy fans here seem able to do that. Stalin and Lou, for example, seem completely unable to admit there is good football played outside florida, and unable to admit other teams are good.
As for knowing me in real life, thats no skin off my back. I get along with almost every person I meet/work with/party with etc...
As for the arrogance...it is hard to avoid it when people constantly misread things, or don't comprehend things(like WHY I used BA), and then think they "CALLED ME OUT" like you did. What was called out was poor reading comprehension, not hypocracy! It is also hard to avoid arrogance when people show bias, and when people just dismiss reality(and all the pertinent evidence) because it doesn't fit with their perception. That is the Carl Everrtt complex. No matter the evidence that is presented, he will still insist that dinosaurs NEVER existed. That parallels sports fans so much, in regard to their perceptions, it is funny.
Lets not let evidence get in the way fellas....maybe somebody can disupte my claim of Rick Dempsey being the best catcher ever? My claim is that he was a leader and was better than Johnny Bench, Berra etc.. because Dempsey was also good in the clubhouse, and because Dempsey fits a team better, and because JUST BY WATCHING HIM I GOT THE FEELING THAT HE WAS THE REASON THE ORIOLES ALWAYS WON! YOU CAN"T ARGUE WHAT I SEE!!! I DON'T CARE WHAT THE STATS SAY!! See how poor of a rationale that is to use? That is why objective measures are used, yet dgs seems to not understand this, or at least not understand WHICH measure should be used. Dgs, not to pick you on, but that is common amongst most fans.
I still find it hilarious that you chose a guy who's whole life has been athletics and chose to make a claim that he was just some stat nerd who knows the game less than little leaguers. I know that was used because that was a last resort to save a failed claim, but still funny.
Kindly go jam a wet finger in to a live socket.
And please quit following me around everywhere. This obsession is not healthy. For a guy who doesn't care about an idiot like me, offering up all this cash and replying to my every post sure seems like a waste of time. Seriously.
We are left with:
1. Gemmy vs. Ax
This really is separate from the general:
2. Yanks Lovers vs. Yanks Haters. This covers the typical Mattingly/Munson/Jeter overratted/underated rants.
3. Coming on strong is the "stats" vs. "clutch" arguements. Now featuring a pair of combatants who both seem so reasonable when not posting at each other.
By the way, More on your claim of Joe Carter crushing the Red Sox with at least a dozen late inning HR, 2B, etc.... I looked at that, and this is a PRIME example of how perception fails so often. Carter had good career numbers at Fenway, but do those perceptions of yours mirror reality?
He had on late inning home run in his career at Fenway that resembles your statment/claim. in 1988 he broke a tie game in the 7th with a home run. More than half of his homers came in losses, and the others weren't remotely close to resembling your claim.
Doubles? None remotely fit your claim.
Singles? In 1992 he had an RBI single up by one in the 15th inning.
Were running out of types of hits that fit your claim.
So the reality is is that perception is extremely faulty EVEN IN THE EXACT MOMENT! Two people can see the same thing and feel vastly different. Your perception is very faulty going back in time.
What works are objective measures. Can be in tally form, or in whole form. In the end they usually equal the same.
I had a long post ready to write to explain this whole phenomenon, but no point wasting time on somebody who will just dismiss it because they either don't understand it, or because they are in denial.
P.S. Pardon me if I missed one game or so, as in my haste it may be possible.
Also, to be fair, Carter had his best numbers at Fenway, so you did see a good share of hits, but just not in the situation you described(the clutch crushing ones in the late innings). He had one other home run where they were up four to two in the eigth. He had one single that is unaccounted for as to what inning it was in(in one close game).
Doubles? None remotely fit your claim.
You realize you just made a claim that Joe Carter never hit a significant or dramatic or clutch 2B against the Red Sox ever in his career. How you could even claim to know such a thing as fact, unless you have actually gone back in history to watch every at-bat he ever had, leaves me speachless.
Pardon me if I missed one game or so, as in my haste it may be possible
Well, no. Admitting to the fact that you didn't (and couldn't) see every single at bat he ever had in person, and basing your point on whatever sampling of at-bats you were actually able to find is about as valid as claiming Jeff Bagwell never hit a HR in his career based on the fact that he didn't hit one last night.
Oh, and Scott Brosius still sucks.
Yes - I do enjoy Stalin's posts over at the Sports Cards forum. Very interesting and informative. He is like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Dr. Jekyll at Sports Cards and Mr. Hyde at Sports Talk - LOL
I checked every game Carter had a Fenway. Using that criteria, the results are correct. I have the list of Home Runs if you want me to list them. The doubles I just looked at to try and find one that met, but didn't record them. I'm not going back to do it again.
Also, Carter may have had MEANINGFUL hits, but not close enough to your description. Remember, the topic was clutch.
I had 7th inning or later, and either breaking a tie, or from within two. And in a win. The other closest was a home run up four to two in the 8th.
<< <i>Then it was the Axtell - Gemmy war which was a bit more complicated but could still be deciphered. >>
I'm surprised the Axtell vs Winpitcher feud got left out. It was one of the more entertaining and heated of the summer.
whatever happened to kobecollector. only other cowboys mets fan around here.
<< <i>whatever happened to kobecollector. only other cowboys mets fan around here. >>
Didn't he get bammed and come back as someone else?
That was one of your quotes dgs.
""And then I can remember at least a dozen crushing late inning HRs or 2Bs or other big hits he got at Fenway to beat the Red Sox in some of the most exciting and frustrating games I've ever been to.""
That was your other quote. I followed that criteria, and what I found was correct. I LOOKED AT EVERY GAME CARTER EVER HAD AT FENWAY, TO BE CLEAR!
He had one 7th inning home run to take the lead, and win. Thats it. I couldn't find any doubles to meet that criteria, and I checked EVERY GAME he had at Fenway. I only found that one single.
Perception fails all the time, and it just isn't you. There are plenty others. Again, he may have had some meaningful hits, but who isn't going to have meaningful hits? That doesn't differentiate clutch at all.
I have seen enough of these stats to know pretty quick when a comment is off.
In reality, late inning clutch is most likely a random event, and nobody has any special ability, above and beyond what their ability already is, to make themselves clutch. I showed the Murray example, and he was King of the Clutch. Even he started to even out, though he still finished higher in clutch, and that is why I say Most Likely, because there always is a small possibility it exists, numbers be dammmmed. Though the difference is small even in the existence. Men on base is a slightly different story.
HR LIST>>
1985 One In losing effort
1986 Three (one to tied in 3rd, one up 5-3, one up 6-3)
1987 Five in losing efforts, Two in 15-2 romp.
1988 One in 7th game tied.
1989 One in losing effort
1990 NONE
1991 Two in losing effort
1992 NONE
1993 One up 4-1 in 5th, One up 3-0 in 3rd.
1994 One up 4-2 in 8th
1996 Two in losing effort, one down 3-1 in 4th
1997 One in losing effort
2B List is more of the same.
1B List is more of the same.
And this is at Fenway where Carter has his best career numbers. What abuot the fan in Oakland that saw Carter amass a SLG% in the .300's? What do you think their first hand opinion is of him?
board is for you. I don't hate anyone on this board. Come Sunday, I may hate your team, but that is it. The people who are on here
who are worth a few keystrokes are worth it. If it becomes that somone can't handle it then I just ignore them.
Old JS is here for anyone to take on. If you think you can hang with my smack then bring it on, but otherwise you better buy the 6 dollar
beer and watch from the sideline.
Now what we CAN address, is why people are doubting the Tampa Bay Bucs this year???
JS
LOL like we care.
Credibility? like you have some?
SD
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Other than that, every one is cool. Especially if they buy baseball cards from me. >>
CHEERS to that DG!
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PSA card, mention the population if relevant, give a good scan and you're done. The buyer knows what he's getting, easy to ship, easy to describe.
Nice work.
Although you're still a scum sucking Yankee fan
Ya, i sure do miss that guys knowledgeable and insightful sport posts
P.S I doubt he was banned, he probablly was just in the mood for a name change
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Although you're still a scum sucking Yankee fan
YES I AM !
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<< <i>anyone who takes any of this personal needs to have their head examined. This is just smack. If you can't take it then the beanie
board is for you. I don't hate anyone on this board. Come Sunday, I may hate your team, but that is it. The people who are on here
who are worth a few keystrokes are worth it. If it becomes that somone can't handle it then I just ignore them.
Old JS is here for anyone to take on. If you think you can hang with my smack then bring it on, but otherwise you better buy the 6 dollar
beer and watch from the sideline.
Now what we CAN address, is why people are doubting the Tampa Bay Bucs this year???
JS >>
I guess the record isn't good enough for them! They should be undefeated! The NFL is scared of the bucs. They remember how we ran the table a few years ago. And they fear that!
Bucs on the way to detroit!
<< <i>I guess the record isn't good enough for them! They should be undefeated! The NFL is scared of the bucs. They remember how we ran the table a few years ago. And they fear that!
Bucs on the way to detroit! >>
As a Bucs fan, I think you'd have to live with blinders on if you didn't have questions about the team...barely beating some incredibly awful teams (green bay and minnesota and detroit)...the entire NFC north is a MESS and the Bucs have had a fortunate schedule...why didn't the Bucs dominate the Jets like the Falcons did last night? I think people aren't going to give the Bucs props until they beat a quality opponent.
If they don't go into SF, after a bye week, and obliterate that team, the questions and doubts are going to linger.
Good points..remember our 2002 playoff campaign
week 1: a bye cause we were awesome
week 2: TO, Garcia and the Noners....completly destroyed them, TO just watched
week 3: At philly, we owned them, McNabb was on the ground more than hash marks!
week 4: Super Bowl....Where we PASTED the best offensive in the league. The next year we would permantly retire Ganon.
Lets recap:
02 playoff domination
03 Eagles domination (opening up the new ballyard)
05 NFL domination
Class dismissed
JS
<< <i>05 NFL domination
Class dismissed
JS >>
So are you going to own up to the fact the bucs have beaten teams with a combined 11-20 record, and lost to a 2-5 jets team?
The Bucs struggled to beat the vikings (2-5) and the packers (1-5)...so I'm not sure where you come up with this 'dominating' performance?
<< <i>""Carter always seemed to win games at Fenway every year with a big late inning hit, usually a HR.""
That was one of your quotes dgs.
""And then I can remember at least a dozen crushing late inning HRs or 2Bs or other big hits he got at Fenway to beat the Red Sox in some of the most exciting and frustrating games I've ever been to.""
That was your other quote. I followed that criteria, and what I found was correct. I LOOKED AT EVERY GAME CARTER EVER HAD AT FENWAY, TO BE CLEAR!
He had one 7th inning home run to take the lead, and win. Thats it. I couldn't find any doubles to meet that criteria, and I checked EVERY GAME he had at Fenway. I only found that one single.
Perception fails all the time, and it just isn't you. There are plenty others. Again, he may have had some meaningful hits, but who isn't going to have meaningful hits? That doesn't differentiate clutch at all.
I have seen enough of these stats to know pretty quick when a comment is off.
In reality, late inning clutch is most likely a random event, and nobody has any special ability, above and beyond what their ability already is, to make themselves clutch. I showed the Murray example, and he was King of the Clutch. Even he started to even out, though he still finished higher in clutch, and that is why I say Most Likely, because there always is a small possibility it exists, numbers be dammmmed. Though the difference is small even in the existence. Men on base is a slightly different story.
HR LIST>>
1985 One In losing effort
1986 Three (one to tied in 3rd, one up 5-3, one up 6-3)
1987 Five in losing efforts, Two in 15-2 romp.
1988 One in 7th game tied.
1989 One in losing effort
1990 NONE
1991 Two in losing effort
1992 NONE
1993 One up 4-1 in 5th, One up 3-0 in 3rd.
1994 One up 4-2 in 8th
1996 Two in losing effort, one down 3-1 in 4th
1997 One in losing effort
2B List is more of the same.
1B List is more of the same.
And this is at Fenway where Carter has his best career numbers. What abuot the fan in Oakland that saw Carter amass a SLG% in the .300's? What do you think their first hand opinion is of him? >>
See what you get DG when you argue with a stat nerd and "fantasy player"...what the hell does that mean anyways???
<< <i>PAndrews is always entertaining and beloved by all, even if I did once wish instant death upon him. >>
i'm flattered, but i still hate you..
i made a special request in the open forum and had the smiley below created for me..
<< <i>even if I did once wish instant death upon him >>
this is one of your qualities i can admire, but i still hate you..
<< <i>PAndrews >pretty much everyone on the boards >>
no, this is correct..