Well, I don't recall seeing one post on this forum that bashes a baseball GM or an owner, other than Steinbrenner. When you are on top, you are subject to being bashed. I respect the Sox team, and think their GM made a bad move with his pitching staff.
Proud of my 16x20 autographed and framed collection - all signed in person. Not big on modern - I'm stuck in the past!
<< <i>Well, I don't recall seeing one post on this forum that bashes a baseball GM or an owner, other than Steinbrenner. When you are on top, you are subject to being bashed. I respect the Sox team, and think their GM made a bad move with his pitching staff. >>
But, the Yanks aren't on top. Haven't been for half a decade now. They are getting bashed because they try to take a short cut back to the top, and this creates a competitive balance problem with teams from smaller markets.
But, they couldn't even blow $210 million dollars correctly...
Not signing Pedro and Lowe isn't rocket science...I probably mentioned it 50 times this season alone as possibly hurting the team in '05. But, when Pedro is pitching half seasons in '07 and '08, we will be happy to give his money to a healthy pitcher. Lowe had an up and down season with the Dodgers in '05 - who knows if he would be any more consistent had he stayed? Renteria is a great SS, and the pressure of Boston may have hurt him this season. Watch for him to have a better 2006.
I love this - from Boston.com yesterday:
<< <i>Defending no more. They are on a one-year championship drought.
It ends in disappointment, frustration, and yes, perhaps a good amount of expectancy. They just weren’t as good this time around, simple as that. Although, if this team miraculously won 95 games with the staff it had, imagine the world beaters it is with an ace, and/or a healthy Curt Schilling. They are your 2002 Patriots. Your 1997 Yankees. In flux. Poised to come back for more.
But in 2005, they are champs no more. And maybe that’s not such a bad thing at all. >>
Ctsoxman.... I thought we got along. Sox=good vs rest of baseball, after Yanks. You jump on my GM comment - it adds credence to it. Sox management made a bad move!! Come on..."the Yanks aren't on top??" They have been on top" for 50 years. The Sox got their one in 86 years....they may have "gotten" their second this year...they had the offense and defense....but front office dealt the gamers on the mound. . Come on man! Why pissed off at that comment?
Proud of my 16x20 autographed and framed collection - all signed in person. Not big on modern - I'm stuck in the past!
But, the Yanks aren't on top. Haven't been for half a decade now. They are getting bashed because they try to take a short cut back to the top, and this creates a competitive balance problem with teams from smaller markets.
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well, if you are going to use a World Series Championship as your definition of "on top" then I guess maybe you have a point. By the way, like the way you used "half a decade" to make it sound sooooo long ago
The Yankees have been the Yankees since the mid- 20's. Out spending everybody and raiding the bottom feeders for talent. Why do you guys make THIS Yankee team sound like this is a new phenomina ???
<< <i>Come on man! Why pissed off at that comment? >>
DH - not pissed off at all, didn't mean for my post to come off that way. The jury is out on whether or not Theo Epstein made a mistake by not signing Pedro (going by this year, it looks like a huge mistake, but lets see how Pedro ends his career). Of course, there were some other moves I felt he could have made, but I still think 95 wins with the pitching and injury problems they had to deal with isn't a bad job - and I'd bet he is already on the case for 2006.
<< <i>well, if you are going to use a World Series Championship as your definition of "on top" then I guess maybe you have a point. By the way, like the way you used "half a decade" to make it sound sooooo long ago >>
Soft - true, the Yanks strategy hasn't changed for a long time...that seems to be, win today at any cost, and we can always trade for players and sign free agents - who needs a farm system? But, I don't really see the Yanks as being "on top" anymore, and not just because they haven't won a WS in 5 (soon to be 6) years. In fact, I really thought the Mets were set up to be the best team in NY this past year, and with the way they are going after free agents, and the great young players they have (how would you guys like to have Reyes and Wright!) - they just might steal the thunder from the Yanks even more in the next few seasons. Not bashing you - just my opinion.
<< <i> well, if you are going to use a World Series Championship as your definition of "on top" then I guess maybe you have a point. By the way, like the way you used "half a decade" to make it sound sooooo long ago
The Yankees have been the Yankees since the mid- 20's. Out spending everybody and raiding the bottom feeders for talent. Why do you guys make THIS Yankee team sound like this is a new phenomina ???
Bash away !!!! >>
Half a decade is an accurate statement, no? 5 years must be an eternity to the queen of 'we must win now!', ole steinbrenner. I bet it's felt like forever, yankee fans, since you've gotten to rub your 'superiority' in everyone else's faces, no?
And parade, you sound just like spammy - the only reason you're a yankee fan is the number of world series championships they've bought (oops, I mean won) and they get to flaunt the wealth of playing in NY.
Guess it's sad you don't have a real emotional attachment to your team - I could never see rooting for a team I didn't really like....guess it works for you 2.
Dont get me wrong...Sox are a good team...but I think they did better than expected with their pitching staff. Clement is good but flakey...Wells is always in question, as much as I still like him even though he is a Red Sox...Schilling was a washout....and Foulke was MIA. And yes, I think Yanks did better than expected too with all of their pitching staff blunders. Brown, Pavano, and Wright were huge wastes of money. I think I need to go back and figure out what the payroll was for each team in September. Yankee bashers can go on and on about the Yanks 200+ million dollar payroll with the Sox not really all that far behind. If you take out the guys who remained at the end of the season, I wouldnt be surprised if the salaries were actually pretty darn close for the active rosters.
<< <i> well, if you are going to use a World Series Championship as your definition of "on top" then I guess maybe you have a point. By the way, like the way you used "half a decade" to make it sound sooooo long ago
The Yankees have been the Yankees since the mid- 20's. Out spending everybody and raiding the bottom feeders for talent. Why do you guys make THIS Yankee team sound like this is a new phenomina ???
Bash away !!!! >>
Half a decade is an accurate statement, no? 5 years must be an eternity to the queen of 'we must win now!', ole steinbrenner. I bet it's felt like forever, yankee fans, since you've gotten to rub your 'superiority' in everyone else's faces, no?
And parade, you sound just like spammy - the only reason you're a yankee fan is the number of world series championships they've bought (oops, I mean won) and they get to flaunt the wealth of playing in NY.
Guess it's sad you don't have a real emotional attachment to your team - I could never see rooting for a team I didn't really like....guess it works for you 2. >>
nah, you couldn't be more wrong. I have been a Yankee fan since 1973. The 26 World Series Championships has nothing to do with that. I was born into the Yankees. You however, love to hate the Yankees more than any supposed "emotional" attachment you may or probably do not have with the Mariners.
Your analysis of so many things turn out to be nothing but hot air coming from a loud mouth little boy on his soap box.
<< <i>Well I guess this suspected terrorist was wrong, huh parade?
Moron. >>
Again, your personality combined with your history of disdain for NY lead me to believe that YOU may indeed be one of many sickos in this country that found at least a little tiny bit of satisfaction from the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
<< <i>Yankee bashers can go on and on about the Yanks 200+ million dollar payroll with the Sox not really all that far behind. >>
Not to belabor this any more, but this is a key point a lot of Yankee fans don't accept. The Sox are indeed far behind. The Yanks have essentially an 80% payroll advantage over the team next in line to them (Boston), while Boston has barely a 20% payroll advantage over the team next in line to them (Mets). The Angels are only a bit behind that. So, you can fully expect Yankee bashers to make an issue over the payroll disparity - because it is a fact.
Rank Team Total Payroll 1 New York Yankees $208,306,817 2 Boston Red Sox $123,505,125 3 New York Mets $101,305,821 4 Los Angeles Angels $97,725,322 5 Philadelphia Phillies $95,522,000 6 St. Louis Cardinals $92,106,833 7 San Francisco Giants $90,199,500
<< <i>Yankee bashers can go on and on about the Yanks 200+ million dollar payroll with the Sox not really all that far behind. >>
Not to belabor this any more, but this is a key point a lot of Yankee fans don't accept. The Sox are indeed far behind. The Yanks have essentially an 80% payroll advantage over the team next in line to them (Boston), while Boston has barely a 20% payroll advantage over the team next in line to them (Mets). The Angels are only a bit behind that. So, you can fully expect Yankee bashers to make an issue over the payroll disparity - because it is a fact.
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Yankee fans can't bothered with these things you call 'facts'...they are too busy thinking anyone who dislikes the yankees does so because they are envious.
<< <i>Yankee bashers can go on and on about the Yanks 200+ million dollar payroll with the Sox not really all that far behind. >>
Not to belabor this any more, but this is a key point a lot of Yankee fans don't accept. The Sox are indeed far behind. The Yanks have essentially an 80% payroll advantage over the team next in line to them (Boston), while Boston has barely a 20% payroll advantage over the team next in line to them (Mets). The Angels are only a bit behind that. So, you can fully expect Yankee bashers to make an issue over the payroll disparity - because it is a fact.
Rank Team Total Payroll 1 New York Yankees $208,306,817 2 Boston Red Sox $123,505,125 3 New York Mets $101,305,821 4 Los Angeles Angels $97,725,322 5 Philadelphia Phillies $95,522,000 6 St. Louis Cardinals $92,106,833 7 San Francisco Giants $90,199,500 >>
Yep, the Yanks outspend EVERYBODY by a wide margin. Sure is a fact. BUT what many Yankee detractors do not want to accept is that they are and never have been doing anything wrong. So, the constant payroll crutch used by so many is merely the easy way out in knocking a franchise that has a passion for winning. What do Yankee bashers want? I'll tell you. They want the Yankees to NOT do everything they can to be successful.
Yankee bashers (like myself) dislike that yankee fans (such as yourself) don't see the disparity in spending as a negative for baseball, because they are so short sighted in seeing 'yeah! we can spend more than anyone! We rock!'
Myself personally I dislike the arrogance that yankee fans dispense at will...about how above everyone else they act like they are.
It's a tired act, and one that I'd like to see them retire very, very soon.
Yankee bashers (like myself) dislike that yankee fans (such as yourself) don't see the disparity in spending as a negative for baseball, because they are so short sighted in seeing 'yeah! we can spend more than anyone! We rock!'
Myself personally I dislike the arrogance that yankee fans dispense at will...about how above everyone else they act like they are.
It's a tired act, and one that I'd like to see them retire very, very soon. >>
I dispute your notions about Yankee fans. The vast majority of us are not nearly arrogant as you say, however, when faced with the out of control arrogance of a basher as yourself, its a different story.
I dispute your notions about Yankee fans. The vast majority of us are not nearly arrogant as you say, however, when faced with the out of control arrogance of a basher as yourself, its a different story. >>
Really?
So you weren't the one who called teams who couldn't spend countless millions on payroll as 'minor league' and should be 'contracted'?
You aren't the one who looks down on other teams in small markets as not being able to play with the big boys?
Yeah, right.
Out of control? Just because I don't back down from the gluttony that is the NY yankee payroll and it's rabid fan base?
<< <i>Yep, the Yanks outspend EVERYBODY by a wide margin. Sure is a fact. BUT what many Yankee detractors do not want to accept is that they are and never have been doing anything wrong. So, the constant payroll crutch used by so many is merely the easy way out in knocking a franchise that has a passion for winning. >>
I do accept that they are doing nothing wrong, going by the baseball rule book. What they are doing is "wrong" however, for baseball as a whole - it hurts many small market teams who cannot compete for free agents, it hurts the fans of those teams who often see their team fall out of contention by July, and it affects the overall competitive balance of the game itself.
Just because you "can" do something, doesn't always mean you "should". Don't tell me the Yanks wouldn't be passionate about winning if they spent merely $100 million on a team. A salary cap would correct this inequality, I have no idea why baseball doesn't seriously consider one.
Just because you "can" do something, doesn't always mean you "should". Don't tell me the Yanks wouldn't be passionate about winning if they spent merely $100 million on a team. A salary cap would correct this inequality, I have no idea why baseball doesn't seriously consider one. >>
The MLB player's union is the strongest union there is...and they would NEVER allow to happen.
A salary cap is what killed an entire season of hockey...how long would baseball cease to operate if the owners said in the next CBA talks that a salary cap was needed?
Good point, Ax - but it's a shame that it can't be done somehow. A cap hasn't hurt the NFL any...in fact, the parity it created has really been great for the league - while it still hasn't hurt the ability of a dynasty to emerge (New England).
<< <i>Yep, the Yanks outspend EVERYBODY by a wide margin. Sure is a fact. BUT what many Yankee detractors do not want to accept is that they are and never have been doing anything wrong. So, the constant payroll crutch used by so many is merely the easy way out in knocking a franchise that has a passion for winning. >>
I do accept that they are doing nothing wrong, going by the baseball rule book. What they are doing is "wrong" however, for baseball as a whole - it hurts many small market teams who cannot compete for free agents, it hurts the fans of those teams who often see their team fall out of contention by July, and it affects the overall competitive balance of the game itself.
Just because you "can" do something, doesn't always mean you "should". Don't tell me the Yanks wouldn't be passionate about winning if they spent merely $100 million on a team. A salary cap would correct this inequality, I have no idea why baseball doesn't seriously consider one. >>
What you are saying is that you believe the Yankees should not do everything in their power according to the rules to field the best team possible. You are saying the Yankees should not try and field the best team they can within the rules. This is nonsense, and ridiculous. Salary cap? Bring it on! We all know the league will turn into parity at that point and may be good for the long term health of the game. Then again, this game as survived a hundred years of this so the arguement that the game is being hurt by teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Angles, Dodgers, and even for one year of debauchery the Marlins, is growing weaker and weaker.
<< <i> What you are saying is that you believe the Yankees should not do everything in their power according to the rules to field the best team possible. You are saying the Yankees should not try and field the best team they can within the rules. This is nonsense, and ridiculous. Salary cap? Bring it on! We all know the league will turn into parity at that point and may be good for the long term health of the game. Then again, this game as survived a hundred years of this so the arguement that the game is being hurt by teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Angles, Dodgers, and even for one year of debauchery the Marlins, is growing weaker and weaker. >>
The game survived for a good portion of that hundred plus years without the out of control salaries that now run rampant in MLB.
Great baseball towns like Kansas City and Pittsburgh no longer can hope to compete because of the salaries...I guess your answer would be to contract down to the teams that have the ability to pay $100+ million in payroll, and screw the rest?
Yankee fans seem to fail to recognize that the yankees would be forced to actually be responsible with their contract signings, instead of just handing a blank check over to every free agent they pursue.
Again axtell you fail to understand the real point here .....
The Yankees are doing NOTHING wrong. How do you think the Yankees obtained Roger Maris from Kansas City? How do you think the Yankees obtained Babe Ruth from the Red Sox ? By obtaining them from franchises that either baseball was not ownerships main concern (Red Sox) or a franchise that just could not afford to keep a player (Kansas City) . It is no different now then in 1927. The same cries were heard in the press about the big bad Yankees and their money all the way back to Murderers Row.
Point me out where I said the yankees were breaking rules?
Of course they are playing within the payroll guidelines...because there are none.
As ctsox said, just because something can be done, doesn't mean it's good or right. >>
And a team should sure as hell not be held accountable for MLB's flawed system. All of the venom Yankee haters spew towards the Yankees should be directed towards a crusade against the SYSTEM. Not the Yankees, who take advantage of the flawed system ....
Talking to some Yankee fans at the game tonight, the consensus is even if the Yankees lose to the Angels in Game 5 of the ALDS, which we all doubt , that there is great satisfaction among Yankee fans knowing that the Red Sox were swept by the White Sox and the Yankees went the full 5 Game distance against the Angels. I remember how the Red Sox fans were getting on the Yankees fans cases because the Yankees supposedly had a MUCH harder team to play. Well guess what the White Sox were listening.
which we all doubt , that there is great satisfaction among Yankee fans knowing that the Red Sox were swept by the White Sox and the Yankees went the full 5 Game distance against the Angels.
That's probably the most pathetic thing you've ever written.
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My point of contention was a yankee fan calling out the red sox for making bad pitching moves is funny, that's all.
<< <i>Well, I don't recall seeing one post on this forum that bashes a baseball GM or an owner, other than Steinbrenner. When you are on top, you are subject to being bashed. I respect the Sox team, and think their GM made a bad move with his pitching staff. >>
But, the Yanks aren't on top. Haven't been for half a decade now. They are getting bashed because they try to take a short cut back to the top, and this creates a competitive balance problem with teams from smaller markets.
But, they couldn't even blow $210 million dollars correctly...
Not signing Pedro and Lowe isn't rocket science...I probably mentioned it 50 times this season alone as possibly hurting the team in '05. But, when Pedro is pitching half seasons in '07 and '08, we will be happy to give his money to a healthy pitcher. Lowe had an up and down season with the Dodgers in '05 - who knows if he would be any more consistent had he stayed? Renteria is a great SS, and the pressure of Boston may have hurt him this season. Watch for him to have a better 2006.
I love this - from Boston.com yesterday:
<< <i>Defending no more. They are on a one-year championship drought.
It ends in disappointment, frustration, and yes, perhaps a good amount of expectancy. They just weren’t as good this time around, simple as that. Although, if this team miraculously won 95 games with the staff it had, imagine the world beaters it is with an ace, and/or a healthy Curt Schilling. They are your 2002 Patriots. Your 1997 Yankees. In flux. Poised to come back for more.
But in 2005, they are champs no more. And maybe that’s not such a bad thing at all.
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But, the Yanks aren't on top. Haven't been for half a decade now. They are getting bashed because they try to take a short cut back to the top, and this creates a competitive balance problem with teams from smaller markets.
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well, if you are going to use a World Series Championship as your definition of "on top" then I guess maybe you have a point. By the way, like the way you used "half a decade" to make it sound sooooo long ago
The Yankees have been the Yankees since the mid- 20's. Out spending everybody and raiding the bottom feeders for talent. Why do you guys make THIS Yankee team sound like this is a new phenomina ???
Bash away !!!!
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<< <i>Come on man! Why pissed off at that comment? >>
DH - not pissed off at all, didn't mean for my post to come off that way. The jury is out on whether or not Theo Epstein made a mistake by not signing Pedro (going by this year, it looks like a huge mistake, but lets see how Pedro ends his career). Of course, there were some other moves I felt he could have made, but I still think 95 wins with the pitching and injury problems they had to deal with isn't a bad job - and I'd bet he is already on the case for 2006.
<< <i>well, if you are going to use a World Series Championship as your definition of "on top" then I guess maybe you have a point. By the way, like the way you used "half a decade" to make it sound sooooo long ago >>
Soft - true, the Yanks strategy hasn't changed for a long time...that seems to be, win today at any cost, and we can always trade for players and sign free agents - who needs a farm system? But, I don't really see the Yanks as being "on top" anymore, and not just because they haven't won a WS in 5 (soon to be 6) years. In fact, I really thought the Mets were set up to be the best team in NY this past year, and with the way they are going after free agents, and the great young players they have (how would you guys like to have Reyes and Wright!) - they just might steal the thunder from the Yanks even more in the next few seasons. Not bashing you - just my opinion.
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well, if you are going to use a World Series Championship as your definition of "on top" then I guess maybe you have a point. By the way, like the way you used "half a decade" to make it sound sooooo long ago
The Yankees have been the Yankees since the mid- 20's. Out spending everybody and raiding the bottom feeders for talent. Why do you guys make THIS Yankee team sound like this is a new phenomina ???
Bash away !!!! >>
Half a decade is an accurate statement, no? 5 years must be an eternity to the queen of 'we must win now!', ole steinbrenner. I bet it's felt like forever, yankee fans, since you've gotten to rub your 'superiority' in everyone else's faces, no?
And parade, you sound just like spammy - the only reason you're a yankee fan is the number of world series championships they've bought (oops, I mean won) and they get to flaunt the wealth of playing in NY.
Guess it's sad you don't have a real emotional attachment to your team - I could never see rooting for a team I didn't really like....guess it works for you 2.
And yes, I think Yanks did better than expected too with all of their pitching staff blunders. Brown, Pavano, and Wright were huge wastes of money.
I think I need to go back and figure out what the payroll was for each team in September. Yankee bashers can go on and on about the Yanks 200+ million dollar payroll with the Sox not really all that far behind. If you take out the guys who remained at the end of the season, I wouldnt be surprised if the salaries were actually pretty darn close for the active rosters.
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well, if you are going to use a World Series Championship as your definition of "on top" then I guess maybe you have a point. By the way, like the way you used "half a decade" to make it sound sooooo long ago
The Yankees have been the Yankees since the mid- 20's. Out spending everybody and raiding the bottom feeders for talent. Why do you guys make THIS Yankee team sound like this is a new phenomina ???
Bash away !!!! >>
Half a decade is an accurate statement, no? 5 years must be an eternity to the queen of 'we must win now!', ole steinbrenner. I bet it's felt like forever, yankee fans, since you've gotten to rub your 'superiority' in everyone else's faces, no?
And parade, you sound just like spammy - the only reason you're a yankee fan is the number of world series championships they've bought (oops, I mean won) and they get to flaunt the wealth of playing in NY.
Guess it's sad you don't have a real emotional attachment to your team - I could never see rooting for a team I didn't really like....guess it works for you 2. >>
nah, you couldn't be more wrong. I have been a Yankee fan since 1973. The 26 World Series Championships has nothing to do with that. I was born into the Yankees.
You however, love to hate the Yankees more than any supposed "emotional" attachment you may or probably do not have with the Mariners.
Your analysis of so many things turn out to be nothing but hot air coming from a loud mouth little boy on his soap box.
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<< Huh?
You say that the regular season doesn't count to say the white sox will be ready (bull, but ok).
But then you say that Wells' pitching is in question?
These white sox have not been to the postseason before, their manager has never managed a postseason team before, and it's going to show.
The Red Sox will win this series. >>
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Moron.
<< <i>Well I guess this suspected terrorist was wrong, huh parade?
Moron. >>
Again, your personality combined with your history of disdain for NY lead me to believe that YOU may indeed be one of many sickos in this country that found at least a little tiny bit of satisfaction from the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
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<< <i>Yankee bashers can go on and on about the Yanks 200+ million dollar payroll with the Sox not really all that far behind. >>
Not to belabor this any more, but this is a key point a lot of Yankee fans don't accept. The Sox are indeed far behind. The Yanks have essentially an 80% payroll advantage over the team next in line to them (Boston), while Boston has barely a 20% payroll advantage over the team next in line to them (Mets). The Angels are only a bit behind that. So, you can fully expect Yankee bashers to make an issue over the payroll disparity - because it is a fact.
Rank Team Total Payroll
1 New York Yankees $208,306,817
2 Boston Red Sox $123,505,125
3 New York Mets $101,305,821
4 Los Angeles Angels $97,725,322
5 Philadelphia Phillies $95,522,000
6 St. Louis Cardinals $92,106,833
7 San Francisco Giants $90,199,500
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<< <i>Yankee bashers can go on and on about the Yanks 200+ million dollar payroll with the Sox not really all that far behind. >>
Not to belabor this any more, but this is a key point a lot of Yankee fans don't accept. The Sox are indeed far behind. The Yanks have essentially an 80% payroll advantage over the team next in line to them (Boston), while Boston has barely a 20% payroll advantage over the team next in line to them (Mets). The Angels are only a bit behind that. So, you can fully expect Yankee bashers to make an issue over the payroll disparity - because it is a fact.
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Yankee fans can't bothered with these things you call 'facts'...they are too busy thinking anyone who dislikes the yankees does so because they are envious.
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<< <i>Yankee bashers can go on and on about the Yanks 200+ million dollar payroll with the Sox not really all that far behind. >>
Not to belabor this any more, but this is a key point a lot of Yankee fans don't accept. The Sox are indeed far behind. The Yanks have essentially an 80% payroll advantage over the team next in line to them (Boston), while Boston has barely a 20% payroll advantage over the team next in line to them (Mets). The Angels are only a bit behind that. So, you can fully expect Yankee bashers to make an issue over the payroll disparity - because it is a fact.
Rank Team Total Payroll
1 New York Yankees $208,306,817
2 Boston Red Sox $123,505,125
3 New York Mets $101,305,821
4 Los Angeles Angels $97,725,322
5 Philadelphia Phillies $95,522,000
6 St. Louis Cardinals $92,106,833
7 San Francisco Giants $90,199,500 >>
Yep, the Yanks outspend EVERYBODY by a wide margin. Sure is a fact. BUT what many Yankee detractors do not want to accept is that they are and never have been doing anything wrong. So, the constant payroll crutch used by so many is merely the easy way out in knocking a franchise that has a passion for winning. What do Yankee bashers want? I'll tell you. They want the Yankees to NOT do everything they can to be successful.
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Yankee bashers (like myself) dislike that yankee fans (such as yourself) don't see the disparity in spending as a negative for baseball, because they are so short sighted in seeing 'yeah! we can spend more than anyone! We rock!'
Myself personally I dislike the arrogance that yankee fans dispense at will...about how above everyone else they act like they are.
It's a tired act, and one that I'd like to see them retire very, very soon.
<< <i>Parade you are missing the point (again).
Yankee bashers (like myself) dislike that yankee fans (such as yourself) don't see the disparity in spending as a negative for baseball, because they are so short sighted in seeing 'yeah! we can spend more than anyone! We rock!'
Myself personally I dislike the arrogance that yankee fans dispense at will...about how above everyone else they act like they are.
It's a tired act, and one that I'd like to see them retire very, very soon. >>
I dispute your notions about Yankee fans. The vast majority of us are not nearly arrogant as you say, however, when faced with the out of control arrogance of a basher as yourself, its a different story.
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I dispute your notions about Yankee fans. The vast majority of us are not nearly arrogant as you say, however, when faced with the out of control arrogance of a basher as yourself, its a different story. >>
Really?
So you weren't the one who called teams who couldn't spend countless millions on payroll as 'minor league' and should be 'contracted'?
You aren't the one who looks down on other teams in small markets as not being able to play with the big boys?
Yeah, right.
Out of control? Just because I don't back down from the gluttony that is the NY yankee payroll and it's rabid fan base?
<< <i>Yep, the Yanks outspend EVERYBODY by a wide margin. Sure is a fact. BUT what many Yankee detractors do not want to accept is that they are and never have been doing anything wrong. So, the constant payroll crutch used by so many is merely the easy way out in knocking a franchise that has a passion for winning. >>
I do accept that they are doing nothing wrong, going by the baseball rule book. What they are doing is "wrong" however, for baseball as a whole - it hurts many small market teams who cannot compete for free agents, it hurts the fans of those teams who often see their team fall out of contention by July, and it affects the overall competitive balance of the game itself.
Just because you "can" do something, doesn't always mean you "should". Don't tell me the Yanks wouldn't be passionate about winning if they spent merely $100 million on a team. A salary cap would correct this inequality, I have no idea why baseball doesn't seriously consider one.
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Just because you "can" do something, doesn't always mean you "should". Don't tell me the Yanks wouldn't be passionate about winning if they spent merely $100 million on a team. A salary cap would correct this inequality, I have no idea why baseball doesn't seriously consider one. >>
The MLB player's union is the strongest union there is...and they would NEVER allow to happen.
A salary cap is what killed an entire season of hockey...how long would baseball cease to operate if the owners said in the next CBA talks that a salary cap was needed?
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<< <i>Yep, the Yanks outspend EVERYBODY by a wide margin. Sure is a fact. BUT what many Yankee detractors do not want to accept is that they are and never have been doing anything wrong. So, the constant payroll crutch used by so many is merely the easy way out in knocking a franchise that has a passion for winning. >>
I do accept that they are doing nothing wrong, going by the baseball rule book. What they are doing is "wrong" however, for baseball as a whole - it hurts many small market teams who cannot compete for free agents, it hurts the fans of those teams who often see their team fall out of contention by July, and it affects the overall competitive balance of the game itself.
Just because you "can" do something, doesn't always mean you "should". Don't tell me the Yanks wouldn't be passionate about winning if they spent merely $100 million on a team. A salary cap would correct this inequality, I have no idea why baseball doesn't seriously consider one. >>
What you are saying is that you believe the Yankees should not do everything in their power according to the rules to field the best team possible. You are saying the Yankees
should not try and field the best team they can within the rules. This is nonsense, and ridiculous. Salary cap? Bring it on! We all know the league will turn into parity at that point and may be good for the long term health of the game. Then again, this game as survived a hundred years of this so the arguement that the game is being hurt by teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Angles, Dodgers, and even for one year of debauchery the Marlins, is growing weaker and weaker.
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What you are saying is that you believe the Yankees should not do everything in their power according to the rules to field the best team possible. You are saying the Yankees
should not try and field the best team they can within the rules. This is nonsense, and ridiculous. Salary cap? Bring it on! We all know the league will turn into parity at that point and may be good for the long term health of the game. Then again, this game as survived a hundred years of this so the arguement that the game is being hurt by teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Angles, Dodgers, and even for one year of debauchery the Marlins, is growing weaker and weaker. >>
The game survived for a good portion of that hundred plus years without the out of control salaries that now run rampant in MLB.
Great baseball towns like Kansas City and Pittsburgh no longer can hope to compete because of the salaries...I guess your answer would be to contract down to the teams that have the ability to pay $100+ million in payroll, and screw the rest?
Yankee fans seem to fail to recognize that the yankees would be forced to actually be responsible with their contract signings, instead of just handing a blank check over to every free agent they pursue.
The Yankees are doing NOTHING wrong. How do you think the Yankees obtained Roger Maris from Kansas City? How do you think the Yankees obtained Babe Ruth from the Red Sox ? By obtaining them from franchises that either baseball was not ownerships main concern (Red Sox) or a franchise that just could not afford to keep a player (Kansas City) . It is no different now then in 1927. The same cries were heard in the press about the big bad Yankees and their money all the way back to Murderers Row.
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Point me out where I said the yankees were breaking rules?
Of course they are playing within the payroll guidelines...because there are none.
As ctsox said, just because something can be done, doesn't mean it's good or right.
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Point me out where I said the yankees were breaking rules?
Of course they are playing within the payroll guidelines...because there are none.
As ctsox said, just because something can be done, doesn't mean it's good or right. >>
And a team should sure as hell not be held accountable for MLB's flawed system. All of the venom Yankee haters spew towards the Yankees should be directed towards a crusade against the SYSTEM. Not the Yankees, who take advantage of the flawed system ....
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Talking to some Yankee fans at the game tonight, the consensus is even if the Yankees lose to the Angels in Game 5 of the ALDS, which we all doubt
That's probably the most pathetic thing you've ever written.