Giambi Wins Comeback Player of the Year - Huh?
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Was listening to ESPN radio and the host made a great point - would you vote for Raffy Palmiero next year if he puts up great numbers?
Giambi is somehow considered 'redeemed' because he 'apologized' (but didn't apologize for anything in particular, just said he was sorry), and his health problems were largely due to his long term steroid use.
So he breaks the law, pays no penalty (doesn't pay any money back, no retribution whatsoever) yet he gets an award honored by MLB.
What kind of message does this send to kids?
"cheat your way to a $100 million contract kids...then run yourself healthwise to the ground....then learn to play without cheating, and you'll get an award!"
Awful.
Giambi is somehow considered 'redeemed' because he 'apologized' (but didn't apologize for anything in particular, just said he was sorry), and his health problems were largely due to his long term steroid use.
So he breaks the law, pays no penalty (doesn't pay any money back, no retribution whatsoever) yet he gets an award honored by MLB.
What kind of message does this send to kids?
"cheat your way to a $100 million contract kids...then run yourself healthwise to the ground....then learn to play without cheating, and you'll get an award!"
Awful.
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He apologized, though he didn't say what for.
He only admitted he did steroids under oath for both fear of perjuring himself and because he thought his testimony wouldn't be leaked. He's a cheat, and baseball is supposed to be cleaning up it's act...this award screams out that things are 'business as usual'.
What do I want from the guy? I want him to stand up and admit he took steroids...that steroids are the reason he got the $100+ million contract...that steroids are the primary contributing factor to his health problems last year...and finally, I want him to have the 'balls' to return the award, because he doesn't deserve it.
I guess you'd vote for Raffy Pamiero next year if he bats .300, hits 30 HRs, and drives in 100 runs?
Sexon's numbers last year were cut short due to injury, not because of steroid use.
He quietly went about his business this year, unable to have the NY glare on him all year.
.269 BA, 39 HR's, 121 RBIs, .910 OPS.
Compares to Giambi's:
.271 BA, 32 HR, 87 RBIs, .975 OPS.
I'm just not sure how you can give this award to a known cheater when there was a much more deserving player in Seattle.
That's great, but baseball isn't Sunday school. You shouldn't win awards for cheating, plain and simple.
As far as Giambi......he's not deserving of any awards in my opinion. He's a known cheater and he never specifically apologized for anything.........not that it would make any difference to me.
<< <i>He was not considered because he admitted, he was considered because he deserved it. >>
But don't you think that sends a very dangerous message, especially to the youth?
Baseball is supposed to be all about the kids...supposed to be looking out for the youth.
<< <i>But don't you think that sends a very dangerous message, especially to the youth? >>
It says that you can be successful without juicing. He got off the steriods (we assume, hope, etc.) and showed that he can still play the game without the help of drugs. Now whether or not being eligible to win an award for comeback player of the year because of steriods is another subject.
<< <i>He was not considered because he admitted, he was considered because he deserved it. >>
First things first, he admitted which is honest, but hardly admirable. Most importantly the reason he was out was a condition because of steroid use. He missed time because he did steroids and now you think he deserving of an award because he is back? How about if he didn't do drugs, he wouldn't have missed that time and would have helped his team last year.
I think it is terrible that he is exonerated because he was apologetic. Baloney.
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jad...clean it up a little buddy. There is no reason for your extensive insults. This is a discussion and calling someone a moron once would likely suffice.
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This is a meaningless internet fan vote award anyway, but if MLB is serious about removing these cheaters from the game, they should have made an example of Giambi here by stepping in and giving the award to a more worthy candidate.
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<< <i>He was not considered because he admitted, he was considered because he deserved it. >>
But don't you think that sends a very dangerous message, especially to the youth?
Baseball is supposed to be all about the kids...supposed to be looking out for the youth. >>
baseball is about money, they claim to be about kids.
<< <i>Actually, Giambi didn't break any baseball laws >>
Unlawful possession of steroids is a felony....so had he been caught in possession of steroids by law enforcement, he would have been busted under the controlled substances clause of MLB's rules.
What burns me up the most is that MLB has been cramming it down our throats for months how hard they are working to rid the game of steroids, how they are trying to clean up the game, then BAM, here comes this.
A true disgrace.
Let's not create some revisionist history here...let's remember the FACTS about Giambi:
-he has never publicly admitted he took steroids
-his 'apology' was for nothing specific, he never apologized for taking steroids...he apologized for 'letting people down'
-he only admitted he took steroids on the stand of a federal court for fear of committing perjury, and he thought no one outside the courtroom would ever hear it
-he used performance enhancing steroids to get an MVP and to get himself a $100+ million contract
-he was roundly booed by yankee fans until he started hitting again, then suddenly, he's a saint and cheered
-he hasn't had to pay any penance whatsoever; no games missed, no money repaid to the yankees
I'm not sure why so many people think that Gimabi's admitted anything, or said he's sorry for doing steroids and lying to his fans.
And for Junior to win the award the same year Giambi soiled it? I feel awful for Junior.
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<< <i>Good for you Jason Giambi !!!! You deserved Comeback Player of the Year award!
Now rub the cream on, were not gonna test you anymore...
<< <i>Good for you Jason Giambi !!!! You deserved Comeback Player of the Year award!
Troll.
<< <i> Having a handgun for a logo when his police officer gandfather was killed in the line of duty in New York has to say something about him. >>
?? what does that have to do with anything? losing a family member to a criminal is all the more reason TO carry a firearm..
That kind of conversation would be far more interesting than the mud slinging going on so far!
Good for Giambi though I agree I am unsure that he deserved the award over other players...but for Pujols to come in second in MVP voting two years in a row because of Bonds the Steroid Head is just wrong!
You do have to admit that Giambi really overcame a lot of controversy to come back and play the way he did...self inflicted or not...he is only one of MANY players in MLB that has been taking steroids.
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<< <i>Not once has anyone mentioned who would be a better choice for the award of comeback player of the year in the AL?
That kind of conversation would be far more interesting than the mud slinging going on so far!
you are 100 % right! But this place is a cesspool, so forget about it
If Jason Giambi played for any other team besides the Mets this thread would never have happened.
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Whether anyone likes him or not; cheater notwithstanding; this was quite a bit to overcome.
He should get some kind of recognition for this - even if it's notoriety.
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<< <i>Not once has anyone mentioned who would be a better choice for the award of comeback player of the year in the AL?
That kind of conversation would be far more interesting than the mud slinging going on so far!
Sorry, but you are wrong.
Richie Sexson had superior numbers, and his shortened season last year was not due to self-inflicted steroid use.
But unfortunately Sexson doesn't get the publicity of playing in a huge media market, so this CHEAT Giambi is awarded.
<< <i>Good point about Bonds. If giambi deserves nothing, then Barry Bonds should have his awards stripped. Along with others like Mike McGwire. I want one guy to say, "well no one KNOWS if Bonds or McGwire juiced"
You're missing the point as usual.
No one is saying to go back and take awards away - but to give Giambi who admitted to a grand jury (and no one else, so please, kill the whole 'he apologized for it and repented! spiel), that he CHEATED and TOOK STEROIDS.
Why are we giving an award to this cheater?
The Yankee Man Crush continues in a never ending saga.
<< <i>The Yankee Man Crush continues in a never ending saga. >>
Is that like your obvious (and sad) crush on Schilling? I mean how many times you going to call out his name, call out Catsup Sock? It's painfully apparent you want to be his one and only.
Man do you have a life? It's 2:30 AM your time and you're posting? Lemme guess, another $80 / hour+ job huh?
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