TUMUSS, my wife and I often attend affairs that both have a silent auction and a floor auction. In fact I have donated coin sets to a couple of these. Usually on the silent auction the donor lists the retail value. Seldom do these items not sale for more than the price listed. It's just generally accepted that this is fair, as it is for charity. Those who attend to "rip" something are unwelcome guests.
Had I won those coins, I would have written a check for ebay value and either sold them on ebay or kept them. Not worth a measley $200 not to see those kids get a fair shake. Once in awhile I think back to all of those who gave me a lift up when I was young and when I do I smile.
<< <i>Is this the Liberty Set that was offered by the mint back in the late 1990's? If I remember correctly that went for $1500 right from the mint! >>
No, it would be the 1986 Statue of Liberty commemorative wood box set. 2 Commem Dollars (Proof & Unc), 2 1/4oz Commem Gold Coins (Proof & Unc), and 2 Commem Half Dollars (Proof & Unc). >>
From the way he described the set it sounds like that is exacly what it was.
His description:
<< <i>I ended up getting a 3 coin proof and a 3 coin unc Statue of Liberty set in a cherry wood box >>
That's two dollars proof and unc, two halves proof and unc, and two 5 dollar gold proof and Unc in a cherrywood box.
I think he did nothing wrong. Supply and demand. He broke no laws. He didn't kick any homeless puppies. I'd have thrown some more money into the check, but probably only about $20. Many of you brag about ebay rips, show rips, antique rips, neighbor rips, family rips, rips, rips, rips. Is one different than the other? Oh, I see because this is a "charity." Please.
There's probably a few really good hearted people here, but some of y'all should put your stones back in your pocket. I don't know any of y'all, but I bet statistically 90% of the stone throwers would have done the same thing. '
And further, unlike may on these boards, alot of us are not doctors, lawyers, and other "wealthy" people with deeeeeeeeeepppppppp pockets. This fellow offered his bid and it was accepted. Period.
Personally, I would not be able to make a rip of that size when the format was a charity auction. And I wouldn't have come here to boast about it......
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<< <i>Ok so he won an auction fair and square. We can debate the ethics forever and many folks won't get it. What I find offensive is the driving need to come here and brag about it. Turns my stomach. >>
<< <i>The auction organizers are a bunch of putz's for not getting some idea on what a set like this would bring..... >>
More likely it was a group of volunteer parents who donated some of their valuable time to help support their kids in band. They didn't know any better and didn't have the time to run down prices on everything they had to sell.
We recently had an school charity auction. Parents asked the community to donate items and ended up with over 2,000 items ranging from a broken tricycle to a new LCD TV. Could the 4-5 parents with day jobs who put it together run down all of those prices? No. Were there reserves? No. Did we make lots of $$$? Yes.
We all had a good time and none of us griped about anyone getting anything below cost. BTW - the winner of the TV went home with a $600 set for $250. Maybe I should harass him for a few hundred more.
I'm with the cast no stones side on this. School charity auctions seem to always balance out. Some people get a deal and others blow way too much for a broken tricycle.
Perhaps 1957joe has misunderstood the spirit of this type of auction. It was not an ebay auction. Charitable auctions should be treated with a little more dignity. That being said, winning the auction is nice; good for you. But bragging about this type of "rip" or "buy of a lifetime" is poor form.
I wonder if the $30 will also be a tax writeoff???
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<< <i>Wait just a minute. This was an AUCTION. If 1957joe had not placed a bid, then the underbidder would have bought the set for $20 or whatever the increment was. Would we lynch that guy?? I think that the critisism here is a bit harsh.
However, a nice compromise would be to donate some extra money to the cause, just to share in your good fortune. I do believe in karma and it will come back to you. >>
An auction is an auction...When it starts with no reserve it brings an amount supported by those who are bidding on it. If the co-worker friend had offered it to Joe and he deceptively paid $30 for it, he would deserve to be fried, IMO.
I also agree that an extra donation would be a nice way to show appreciation for the deal received.
<< <i>No, you should give a special donation to the fund even if it is half the value of the set. To rip something for charity and brag about is in poor form. >>
My inner voice would tell me to make a cash donation to make up the differance. Sleep well.
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<< <i>Knowledge is what gives a person a edge on any hobby. >>
When it comes to charity, you shouldn't be looking for an edge. You have a blind spot a mile wide and worse, absolutely no heart. You sound like Mr. Potter in It's a Wonderful Life
What if this had been a blind auction where the bidders (knowing it was for charity) didn't know what they were bidding on (lots). ? Would you run back to the auctioneer and demand he take more money from you? (i doubt it)
Sure is a lot of stones being thrown here today
Anyone looking in a mirror before they try to impose thier ethic assumptions on someone else ?
Joe; Granted; it was an auction; you were the high bidder; you won.. but this is charity for kids !!! Everyone likes a deal when they purchase coins..even I do! But when you have the knowledge of coin collecting you should use it to benefit others? If you were to pass away, your wife was to sell your coin collection, how would you feel if the dealer paid her 10% of greysheet? you would probally roll over huh? Im not saying you owe the school but Im saying if you were a gentlmen you would go back there and say'' WOW this sets worth xxx; and heres xxx, you would gain more than you could imagine, the question you must ask yourself is '' Is money more important than my dignity''? Ive had men and women alike who know nothing about coins offer me their holdings, when I make my fair offfer it is 50% to 80% more than the other so called dealers around here, Im happy to make 10% and move on, the people I meet tell others '' Harold is honest and pays good money'' this is how I have done well.. You do what you want but everytime you look at the set you will THINK about what Im saying here.. this set will come back to haunt you, unless you have 0 morals?????
<< <i>Is this the Liberty Set that was offered by the mint back in the late 1990's? If I remember correctly that went for $1500 right from the mint! >>
The official issue prices on the 6 piece Statue of Liberty set were $375.00 for the so-called pre-issue sale and $439.50 as the "regular" issue price. All of the available coins were sold at the $375.00 price.
The Statue of Liberty $5 gold coins were wildly popular when they were first issued. The 3 piece Proof set hit $450 at one point, and the 6 piece set was close to a grand.
After the refurbished Statue was dedicated the prices came WAY down. For a while one was lucky to get $90 for a three piece set of either the Proof or Unc. versions. Bid slipped to as low as $80 for a three piece set.
As someone else said, bid on the 6 piece set is now $245.00. Considering that this was going to charity, I think a quiet contribution of $170 to $200 would be appropriate.
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<< <i>Joe; Granted; it was an auction; you were the high bidder; you won.. but this is charity for kids !!! Everyone likes a deal when they purchase coins..even I do! But when you have the knowledge of coin collecting you should use it to benefit others? If you were to pass away, your wife was to sell your coin collection, how would you feel if the dealer paid her 10% of greysheet? you would probally roll over huh? Im not saying you owe the school but Im saying if you were a gentlmen you would go back there and say'' WOW this sets worth xxx; and heres xxx, you would gain more than you could imagine, the question you must ask yourself is '' Is money more important than my dignity''? Ive had men and women alike who know nothing about coins offer me their holdings, when I make my fair offfer it is 50% to 80% more than the other so called dealers around here, Im happy to make 10% and move on, the people I meet tell others '' Harold is honest and pays good money'' this is how I have done well.. You do what you want but everytime you look at the set you will THINK about what Im saying here.. this set will come back to haunt you, unless you have 0 morals????? >>
Careful, you can dislocate a shoulder patting yourself on the back like that
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Many posts in this thread remind me of ones in other threads about paying income tax on coin sales. You always get the same crowd that has to shout to the world, "I PAY MY TAXES! I CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT!" "DAMNED ARE THOSE WHO DON'T!"
They have this strange overwhelming desire to tell the world that they are holier then thou.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
ms70 just because someone thinks bragging about ripping a coin in a charity auction is out of line doesn't qualify them as being holier than thou. No one has stood up and claimed to be perfect or without faults. I wonder how you seperate your self judgment of these folks without being holier than thou?
What if this had been a blind auction where the bidders (knowing it was for charity) didn't know what they were bidding on (lots). ? Would you run back to the auctioneer and demand he take more money from you? (i doubt it)
Sure is a lot of stones being thrown here today
Anyone looking in a mirror before they try to impose thier ethic assumptions on someone else ?
I don't know if this has been posted yet but lets say that he didn't bid and win the auction ....... the fund raiser would have got LESS money for the item.
<< <i>This was not a business auction, this was a charity auction. We're not talking about knowledgeable people handing this material. We are talking about generous volunteers giving their time trying to raise funds for kids. Those who can't see the difference in this transaction vs a business transaction......well, I feel sorry for you.q]
Well Said! I was going to point out the same thing. This is for charity. I don't know about everybody else, but it just doesn't seem right to be cherry-picking a charity auction.
I think if a co-worker of mine had invited me to a charity auction for his daughter's band, I would have just opened my wallet and handed him $30 and "coveniently" found an excuse not to attend the auction!!
Those coins would be with someone else, 'cause I'd have never seen them.
Now if it had been my boss who had invited me......who knows??
Clearly the writer of this thread did nothing wrong, it was an auction. I think if you know what its worth and it's a benefit/charity for kids...maybe not a bad idea to kick a little extra back. Good karma !!
If I had won the coins for $30 I would have paid for them and then quietly told the organizers what the coins were worth. Then I would have immediately donated the coins for a future auction.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
<< <i> However, a nice compromise would be to donate some extra money to the cause, just to share in your good fortune. I do believe in karma and it will come back to you. >>
Maybe this WAS karma coming back to him? What if the orginal poser himself is very very poor and this is his collecting dream come true? The band got thrity bucks for free. It was an AUCTION 30 was the most anyone was going to pay.. If he'd have paid ten grand for it, a lot of folks would be calling him an idiot.
Should he have given more as a donation? maybe. Should he HAVE to? no. Some folks are being a bit harsh here.
I think its cool you got a great set of coins for $30, bravo to you. Even though it was an auction and since you were the winning bidder you get the coins at the price bidded, but think you did know what they had, and maybe you knew that noone would bid high( i doubt it ). Just think maybe you should donate something to the cause on top of it. Its gestures like that seperate the great guys from the soso guys. Not to get overally morally judgemental cause im not the most perfect person here, but whenever i got an auction that is raising money and i buy something a coin , a picture or a classic gaming console. i make sure they get something extra. Should you have to donate something to make things right ( is there something to be made right) ; not really, but would it look good and show you are really out to help the cause and not just in it for the coin. you bet. make me proud
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<< <i>If I had won the coins for $30 I would have paid for them and then quietly told the organizers what the coins were worth. Then I would have immediately donated the coins for a future auction. >>
mozin has it right, IMHO. But, instead of giving the coins back to them for a future auction, I'd ebay them and donate the proceeds.
Mike
Coppernicus
Lincoln Wheats (1909 - 1958) Basic Set - Always Interested in Upgrading!
I’m sorry this is a BAND auction for Christ sakes! This isn’t a family that lost everything or a child with cancer and no insurance. I raised 3 kids by myself and when they were in sports we did many of these types of fundraisers, sometimes you win and sometimes you don’t get as much as you wanted. Many of our donations from businesses brought pennies on the dollar. I didn’t complain we told people about them and the bargains to be had. This brought more in for the next event!
I guess what I was always embarrassed about was the 10 to 15 dollar stale candy or cookies in a tin I had to sell to my friends and family, Ethics? It goes both ways. Us parents decided to do car washes and work the fair ground events to raise money. Not all auctions are created equal and disappointing life events happen. I’ve never seen a band or a team not get to take a trip by a poor fund raiser but I’ve seen 90% of their parents not wanting to work for what the kids need. The co-worker was one that did his part and Joe did nothing wrong.
I always try to look in the mirror and imagine that God will judge me as I do others and quite frankly it’s very scary; I fall way short………………
As one of the first psoters to this thread and bringing up "poor Jimmy", I just wanted to say that I was just teasing Joe. I don't think he did anything wrong. It was an auction and he put in the high bid. Many groups have garage sales to raise money and it is KNOWN that you are getting a deal on everything. ITS A GARAGE SALE! I see this as no different.
As a band member in school, I had to do plenty of fundraisers. In fact, I was part of a nationally recognized competing marching band that did 4 major fundraisers throughout the year. This band was in existance for 10 years. It fell apart when the kids got lazy and parents didn't care to raise money.
The booster leaders and band director got us into a competition in Mexico. It would require $300 more in funds per kid in order to make this trip and compete for a week. The kids didn't want to sell in the fundraisers to make their money and the parents didn't want to help. Within 3 weeks from the announcement of the trip, the parents had a meeting and the "leaders" lynched and the band was dissolved.
Donate to you local schools, whether it be band, sports, chorus, cheerleading, etc. It's these extracurricular activities that keep kids out of trouble, build lifetime friendships, and build integrity.
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<< <i>It would be interesting to see what all you stone throwers would have done in his position... >>
Had I won those coins, I would have written a check for ebay value and either sold them on ebay or kept them. Not worth a measley $200 not to see those kids get a fair shake. Once in awhile I think back to all of those who gave me a lift up when I was young and when I do I smile.
<< <i>
<< <i>Is this the Liberty Set that was offered by the mint back in the late 1990's? If I remember correctly that went for $1500 right from the mint! >>
No, it would be the 1986 Statue of Liberty commemorative wood box set. 2 Commem Dollars (Proof & Unc), 2 1/4oz Commem Gold Coins (Proof & Unc), and 2 Commem Half Dollars (Proof & Unc). >>
From the way he described the set it sounds like that is exacly what it was.
His description:
<< <i>I ended up getting a 3 coin proof and a 3 coin unc Statue of Liberty set in a cherry wood box >>
That's two dollars proof and unc, two halves proof and unc, and two 5 dollar gold proof and Unc in a cherrywood box.
I think he did nothing wrong. Supply and demand. He broke no laws. He didn't kick any homeless puppies. I'd have thrown some more money into the check, but probably only about $20. Many of you brag about ebay rips, show rips, antique rips, neighbor rips, family rips, rips, rips, rips. Is one different than the other? Oh, I see because this is a "charity." Please.
There's probably a few really good hearted people here, but some of y'all should put your stones back in your pocket. I don't know any of y'all, but I bet statistically 90% of the stone throwers would have done the same thing. '
And further, unlike may on these boards, alot of us are not doctors, lawyers, and other "wealthy" people with deeeeeeeeeepppppppp pockets. This fellow offered his bid and it was accepted. Period.
Looking for alot of crap.
<< <i>such drama >>
<< <i>Ok so he won an auction fair and square. We can debate the ethics forever and many folks won't get it. What I find offensive is the driving need to come here and brag about it. Turns my stomach. >>
Yep !!
Ken
<< <i>The auction organizers are a bunch of putz's for not getting some idea on what a set like this would bring..... >>
More likely it was a group of volunteer parents who donated some of their valuable time to help support their kids in band. They didn't know any better and didn't have the time to run down prices on everything they had to sell.
We recently had an school charity auction. Parents asked the community to donate items and ended up with over 2,000 items ranging from a broken tricycle to a new LCD TV. Could the 4-5 parents with day jobs who put it together run down all of those prices? No. Were there reserves? No. Did we make lots of $$$? Yes.
We all had a good time and none of us griped about anyone getting anything below cost. BTW - the winner of the TV went home with a $600 set for $250. Maybe I should harass him for a few hundred more.
I'm with the cast no stones side on this. School charity auctions seem to always balance out. Some people get a deal and others blow way too much for a broken tricycle.
Normally people overpay at charity auctions, because it's like making a donation except you get something in return and you can support the cause.
But many people use this board to brag about how they've used their numismatic knowledge to rip valuables from the naive, why is this any different?
Sure, it would have been a better rip had the seller been poor and blind, but ripping school kids is cool too. It's what this hobby is all about!
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I wonder if the $30 will also be a tax writeoff???
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<< <i>Wait just a minute. This was an AUCTION. If 1957joe had not placed a bid, then the underbidder would have bought the set for $20 or whatever the increment was. Would we lynch that guy?? I think that the critisism here is a bit harsh.
However, a nice compromise would be to donate some extra money to the cause, just to share in your good fortune. I do believe in karma and it will come back to you. >>
An auction is an auction...When it starts with no reserve it brings an amount supported by those who are bidding on it. If the co-worker friend had offered it to Joe and he deceptively paid $30 for it, he would deserve to be fried, IMO.
I also agree that an extra donation would be a nice way to show appreciation for the deal received.
Neo...
I should have known!
But then I don't think Russ would really kick a puppie either.
Maybe I try to hard to see only the good side.
pz
(Priest) BLASPHEMY he said it again, did you hear him?
<< <i>No, you should give a special donation to the fund even if it is half the value of the set. To rip something for charity and brag about is in poor form. >>
My inner voice would tell me to make a cash donation to make up the differance. Sleep well.
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
<< <i>Knowledge is what gives a person a edge on any hobby. >>
When it comes to charity, you shouldn't be looking for an edge. You have a blind spot a mile wide and worse, absolutely no heart. You sound like Mr. Potter in It's a Wonderful Life
What if this had been a blind auction where the bidders (knowing it was for charity) didn't know what they were bidding on (lots). ?
Would you run back to the auctioneer and demand he take more money from you? (i doubt it)
Sure is a lot of stones being thrown here today
Anyone looking in a mirror before they try to impose thier ethic assumptions on someone else ?
<< <i>Is this the Liberty Set that was offered by the mint back in the late 1990's? If I remember correctly that went for $1500 right from the mint! >>
The official issue prices on the 6 piece Statue of Liberty set were $375.00 for the so-called pre-issue sale and $439.50 as the "regular" issue price. All of the available coins were sold at the $375.00 price.
The Statue of Liberty $5 gold coins were wildly popular when they were first issued. The 3 piece Proof set hit $450 at one point, and the 6 piece set was close to a grand.
After the refurbished Statue was dedicated the prices came WAY down. For a while one was lucky to get $90 for a three piece set of either the Proof or Unc. versions. Bid slipped to as low as $80 for a three piece set.
As someone else said, bid on the 6 piece set is now $245.00. Considering that this was going to charity, I think a quiet contribution of $170 to $200 would be appropriate.
"This one time at band camp"
it may have softened some of the blows he is taking.
Maybe you made a mistake. About that time, I think there were some people having a coin auction for "Let's spring Scott Peterson."
Better check again.
Maybe you got your auctions mixed up and paid the SCHOOL a hunnert buxx fer a steelie.
<< <i>Joe; Granted; it was an auction; you were the high bidder; you won.. but this is charity for kids !!! Everyone likes a deal when they purchase coins..even I do! But when you have the knowledge of coin collecting you should use it to benefit others? If you were to pass away, your wife was to sell your coin collection, how would you feel if the dealer paid her 10% of greysheet? you would probally roll over huh? Im not saying you owe the school but Im saying if you were a gentlmen you would go back there and say'' WOW this sets worth xxx; and heres xxx, you would gain more than you could imagine, the question you must ask yourself is '' Is money more important than my dignity''? Ive had men and women alike who know nothing about coins offer me their holdings, when I make my fair offfer it is 50% to 80% more than the other so called dealers around here, Im happy to make 10% and move on, the people I meet tell others '' Harold is honest and pays good money'' this is how I have done well.. You do what you want but everytime you look at the set you will THINK about what Im saying here.. this set will come back to haunt you, unless you have 0 morals?????
Careful, you can dislocate a shoulder patting yourself on the back like that
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Many posts in this thread remind me of ones in other threads about paying income tax on coin sales. You always get the same crowd that has to shout to the world, "I PAY MY TAXES! I CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT!" "DAMNED ARE THOSE WHO DON'T!"
They have this strange overwhelming desire to tell the world that they are holier then thou.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
It's all simply an observation that you can check out yourself.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
<< <i>
What if this had been a blind auction where the bidders (knowing it was for charity) didn't know what they were bidding on (lots). ?
Would you run back to the auctioneer and demand he take more money from you? (i doubt it)
Sure is a lot of stones being thrown here today
Anyone looking in a mirror before they try to impose thier ethic assumptions on someone else ?
Huh?
<< <i>This was not a business auction, this was a charity auction. We're not talking about knowledgeable people handing this material. We are talking about generous volunteers giving their time trying to raise funds for kids. Those who can't see the difference in this transaction vs a business transaction......well, I feel sorry for you.
Well Said! I was going to point out the same thing. This is for charity. I don't know about everybody else, but it just doesn't seem right to be cherry-picking a charity auction.
Those coins would be with someone else, 'cause I'd have never seen them.
Now if it had been my boss who had invited me......who knows??
<< <i>Hey! Where did 1957joe go, anyway? I think he's gone into hiding due to this hiding! >>
He's probably in shock. He was expecting "You Suck" posts from Russ and Marty and instead got a 100 post debate about his ethics!!
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<< <i>Hey! Where did 1957joe go, anyway? I think he's gone into hiding due to this hiding! >>
He's probably in shock. He was expecting "You Suck" posts from Russ and Marty and instead got a 100 post debate about his ethics!! >>
Maybe he has a job?
Looking for alot of crap.
He better hope I dont walk by his house when the garage is open...maybe some golf clubs or....
Dennis of JadeRareCoin. You crack me up as usual. But Russ hasn't kicked a pupppy in a month.
<< <i>
However, a nice compromise would be to donate some extra money to the cause, just to share in your good fortune. I do believe in karma and it will come back to you. >>
Maybe this WAS karma coming back to him? What if the orginal poser himself is very very poor and this is his collecting dream come true? The band got thrity bucks for free. It was an AUCTION 30 was the most anyone was going to pay.. If he'd have paid ten grand for it, a lot of folks would be calling him an idiot.
Should he have given more as a donation? maybe. Should he HAVE to? no. Some folks are being a bit harsh here.
<< <i>If I had won the coins for $30 I would have paid for them and then quietly told the organizers what the coins were worth. Then I would have immediately donated the coins for a future auction. >>
mozin has it right, IMHO. But, instead of giving the coins back to them for a future auction, I'd ebay them and donate the proceeds.
Mike
Lincoln Wheats (1909 - 1958) Basic Set - Always Interested in Upgrading!
Any of the stone throwers friends of Frank?
I didn't really know him, but bid high in a good cause, right here on this board.
I won the auction.
But there was plenty of time for anyone to out bid me.
pz
(Priest) BLASPHEMY he said it again, did you hear him?
I guess what I was always embarrassed about was the 10 to 15 dollar stale candy or cookies in a tin I had to sell to my friends and family, Ethics? It goes both ways. Us parents decided to do car washes and work the fair ground events to raise money. Not all auctions are created equal and disappointing life events happen. I’ve never seen a band or a team not get to take a trip by a poor fund raiser but I’ve seen 90% of their parents not wanting to work for what the kids need. The co-worker was one that did his part and Joe did nothing wrong.
I always try to look in the mirror and imagine that God will judge me as I do others and quite frankly it’s very scary; I fall way short………………
As a band member in school, I had to do plenty of fundraisers. In fact, I was part of a nationally recognized competing marching band that did 4 major fundraisers throughout the year. This band was in existance for 10 years. It fell apart when the kids got lazy and parents didn't care to raise money.
The booster leaders and band director got us into a competition in Mexico. It would require $300 more in funds per kid in order to make this trip and compete for a week. The kids didn't want to sell in the fundraisers to make their money and the parents didn't want to help. Within 3 weeks from the announcement of the trip, the parents had a meeting and the "leaders" lynched and the band was dissolved.
Donate to you local schools, whether it be band, sports, chorus, cheerleading, etc. It's these extracurricular activities that keep kids out of trouble, build lifetime friendships, and build integrity.