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cladkingcladking Posts: 26,879 ✭✭✭✭✭
Probably inspired by the "collector roots" thread I've gotten a couple PM's about what
varieties exist in clad quarters. There is no comprehensive reference for these so I'll try
to list as many as I can think of including those in various existing references.

1964 Struck on clad planchet (unique)
1965 Rotated reverse
1965 type "b" reverse (if memory serves)
1965 Silver reverse (scarce)
1965 DDO (rare)
1965 Struck on slver planchet (scarce)
1966 DDR
1966 Rotated Reverse
1966 SMS Gouges in 6's (these exist in various degrees but the dramatic ones are pretty tough)
1967 DDO (3 known)(one is very dramatic and quite scarce)
1967 DDR (minor)
1968-D DDR
1970-D DDO (2)(one dramatic and very scarce)
1970-D struck on dime stock (very common but terrible attrition)(~quarter million struck)
1971 DDR (reported to be very rare)
1971-D DDR
1971-D struck on dime stock (much scarcer than the '70-D)
1972-D struck on dime stock
1972-D DDR (2 known)
1973 (reverse of 1972)(dramatic and scarce)
1974 (reverse of 1972)(rare, probably)
1974-D (reverse of 1972)
1976-D DDO Rare Dramatic
1977 type "d" reverse (scarce, rare in better than VF+)
1977-D type "d" reverse (scarce)(exists in unc)
1978 type "d" reverse (tough, scarce in unc)
1978-D type "d" reverse (scarce, rare in unc)
1979 type "d" reverse (released in N Indiana)(tough, scarce in highgrade)
1979-D type "d" reverse (tough in unc)
1980-P type "d' reverse (tough in unc)
1980-D type "d" reverse (exists in gem)
1981-P type "d" reverse (appears in 1981 mint sets ~.6%)(exists in gem PL)
1981-P DDO (minor)
1982-D type "d" reverse (appears in Paul and Judy mint sets et al) (appears PL)
1983-P type "d" reverse (common)(~15%)
1983-D type "d" reverse (very common) (~20%)
1984-P type "d" reverse (distressingly common) (scarce in unc)
1984-D type "d" reverse (distressingly common) (tough in unc)
1984-D/D RPM
1985-P Small Bust
1985-P Rotated Reverse
1989-P Rotated Reverse
1989-D DDR (minor)
1991-D Struck on half dollar stock.

I've omitted several minor varieties and DD's because they are of interest only to specialists
but have included a few because they are among personal favorites. There are also several
reverse varieties which are dramatic but not included because I'm not certain of the date. Many
of these are from proof reverse dies in the '60's and '70's. There are also various type "b" re-
verses on the issues to 1972 but I don't recall the dates. Many '66 and other SMS dies were
used to strike coins for circulation in San Francisco.

There are, of course, many great proof and SMS varieties as well.

There will probably be several more important varieties discovered as time goes on.

-edited 6-27-13 to change '68-D DDO (dramatic) to '68-D DDR
Tempus fugit.
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you Sam. You have once again shown why you are one of the most respected and valuable members on these boards.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,186 ✭✭✭✭
    Wow, thanks for sharing. Any more info you can share about this one:

    1976-D Rare Dramatic

    Is this a DDO/R?

    Thanks...Mike
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • Thanks Cladking for sharing that information -- great varieties and errors. Though it's a Proof -- one of my favorite quarters is the dramatic 1990-S Proof DDO. That's a tuff one.

    Mike -- yep, that 1976-D is a killer DDO and rare. Seen one up close and personal and it's an eye-popper. There was one on eBay the other day, but the bidding get way out of my billfold range. That's the way it goes.
  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 4,680 ✭✭✭✭
    Terrific, thanks. Do you keep a similar list of varieties of Kennedies? Are those also of interest to you? I have a halfhearted collection of those going from circulation, but I'd be interested to learn & take a more deliberate approach to them as it's something to do on a shoestring.
    mirabela
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 26,879 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Terrific, thanks. Do you keep a similar list of varieties of Kennedies? Are those also of interest to you? I have a halfhearted collection of those going from circulation, but I'd be interested to learn & take a more deliberate approach to them as it's something to do on a shoestring. >>



    I'm not very familiar with the Kennedy varieties but have found some in the mint sets
    and have seen others. There is a superb reference for these; The Kennedy Half Dol-
    lar Book -by James Wiles ('98).
    Tempus fugit.
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,556 ✭✭✭
    ttt
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  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,322
    Sam-I look to get a signed copy of your first edition Washie Varieties (`64?-`98?) or include shqs when that series ends.
    They still saying we go back to the same old `eagle reverse` design of past?
  • 1jester1jester Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the valuable info, Cladking!

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  • keezkeez Posts: 848
    I'm resurrecting this thread as it's an informative one for anyone interested.

    I'm trying to figure out the diff between a C reverse and a D reverse quarter, specifically the 1979-D mentioned in cladking's list.

    What I observe is that one style has no space between the QUARTER DOLLAR and the rim and the other has a little bit of space between. Not sure which is which reverse.

    Does anyone have a pic of both?

  • Thanks for a great thread and the LIST!
    John G Bradley II
  • Here is an old thread I started back in October about a 1979-P Quarter I found.

    Link
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  • RobbRobb Posts: 2,099
    What do you know about the counterfeit 1999 quarters?
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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To amend and update your list of doubled dies-

    1965- 1-O-IV and 2-O-V-Two dies known-both fairly strong with good eye appeal
    1966-1-R-I A strong DDR-quite rare
    1968-D 1-R-I A doubled die REVERSE not obv-strong and rare.
    1970-D 1-O-V; 2-O-I; 3-O-IV+VIII-Three dies are now known. Dies 1 and 2 are BOTH equally dramatic with Die #2 resembling the 1942-D 1-O-I in appearance tho not as
    strong as the '42-D.
    1971-1-R-I Quite strong and still very rare.

    A couple of nice proofs are also rare and dramatic-
    1968-S-PR 1-O-I-Fairly strong tho the individual hubbins aren't too distinct. Rare.
    1969-S-PR 1-O-V-Also strong and rare.
    1990-S-PR 1-O-V-Shows very nicely on the date and Mint mark.
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Forgot to include the 1968-S PR 1-R-I-another nice one.
  • percybpercyb Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭
    Great info. Thanks!!
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 26,879 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>To amend and update your list of doubled dies-

    1965- 1-O-IV and 2-O-V-Two dies known-both fairly strong with good eye appeal
    1966-1-R-I A strong DDR-quite rare
    1968-D 1-R-I A doubled die REVERSE not obv-strong and rare.
    1970-D 1-O-V; 2-O-I; 3-O-IV+VIII-Three dies are now known. Dies 1 and 2 are BOTH equally dramatic with Die #2 resembling the 1942-D 1-O-I in appearance tho not as
    strong as the '42-D.
    1971-1-R-I Quite strong and still very rare.

    A couple of nice proofs are also rare and dramatic-
    1968-S-PR 1-O-I-Fairly strong tho the individual hubbins aren't too distinct. Rare.
    1969-S-PR 1-O-V-Also strong and rare.
    1990-S-PR 1-O-V-Shows very nicely on the date and Mint mark. >>





    Thanks.

    Now if we could get ProofArtWorkonCircs to add the early type "b"s etc we'd have a pretty comprehensive list.
    Tempus fugit.
  • The clad quarter type B's are:
    1968-S but only on a minority of them - say 25% or less
    1969-S, 1970-S, 1971-S, 1972-S All.
    1969-D approximatly 1,000,000 based on my experience in the Northeast which may not be typical for the whole country.
    1970-D about 500,000
    1971-D about 80,000; seems to be one die only, all have the same die chip.
    1972-D about 40,000; probably 1 die again but a different die than the 1971_D one.


    In addition there was a Modified clad artwork which I will call type M.
    1968-S 75% of mintage There are other non M, non B 1968-S.
    1969-D 12% of mintage
    1970-D 11%
    1970 Philly 6% of a small total mintage
    1970-D and Philly have class III doubled dies involving type M.

    http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=627990&highlight_key=y&keyword1=1970
    Has pictures and descriptions of 4 different 1970 quarter reverse.

    http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&amp;threadid=659907&amp;highlight_key=y&amp;keyword1=type b
    Simple keys to quickly identify the different varieties.


    I hope to edit in some links to more information on these shortly. Done! Now maybe cladking can liven them up and make them clickable.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,396 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The clad quarter type B's are:
    1968-S but only on a minority of them - say 25% or less
    1969-S, 1970-S, 1971-S, 1972-S All.
    1969-D approximatly 1,000,000 based on my experience in the Northeast which may not be typical for the whole country.
    1970-D about 500,000
    1971-D about 80,000; seems to be one die only, all have the same die chip.
    1972-D about 40,000; probably 1 die again but a different die than the 1971_D one.


    In addition there was a Modified clad artwork which I will call type M.
    1968-S 75% of mintage There are other non M, non B 1968-S.
    1969-D 12% of mintage
    1970-D 11%
    1970 Philly 6% of a small total mintage
    1970-D and Philly have class III doubled dies involving type M. >>


    Has Pictures and descriptions of 4 different 1970 quarter reverse.

    Simple Keys to quickly identify the different varieties.


    << <i>I hope to edit in some links to more information on these shortly. Done! Now maybe cladking can liven them up and make them clickable. >>



    Links Linkified!

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 26,879 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=627990&highlight_key=y&keyword1=1970
    Has pictures and descriptions of 4 different 1970 quarter reverse.

    http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&amp;threadid=659907&amp;highlight_key=y&amp;keyword1=type b
    Simple keys to quickly identify the different varieties.


    I hope to edit in some links to more information on these shortly. Done! Now maybe cladking can liven them up and make them clickable. >>



    first link

    second link

    My pleasure. Thank you.
    Tempus fugit.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 26,879 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm resurrecting this thread as it's an informative one for anyone interested.

    I'm trying to figure out the diff between a C reverse and a D reverse quarter, specifically the 1979-D mentioned in cladking's list.

    What I observe is that one style has no space between the QUARTER DOLLAR and the rim and the other has a little bit of space between. Not sure which is which reverse.

    Does anyone have a pic of both? >>




    I think the easiest way to learn to spot these is to get
    a small handfull of '83 and '84 quarters. The type "d's"
    are so common in these dates you'll be certain to have
    one.

    Look at the right side of the "N" in "UNUM". It is much
    farther from the eagle's head on the type "d". There are
    many differences, especially in the relief, and you'll be ab-
    le to spot them from a distance once you're familiar with
    them.

    Earlier ones are more subtle. '78 isn't tough once you've
    seen it but the '77 is more subtle.
    Tempus fugit.
  • 1976-D is a DDO, PUP Liberty if memory serves
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 26,879 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This has turned into a pretty remarkable thread and appears to be very
    comprehensive thanks to all the input. There are probably several more
    that will be discovered since these coins have never gotten a lot of atten-
    tion.

    Few of the business strikes appear in mint sets and all of these will prove
    pretty tough in uncirculated condition. There were very few rolls or even
    singles saved over the years and attrition has whittled down even the worn
    coins that survive. Nearly 50% of the early dates are gone and the rest
    are heavily worn. This will assure that even some common varieties will
    be scarce or unknown above VF condition.

    It's ironic that a "common" clad quarter variety in unc will be something like
    the '81-P type "d" which is common only because it appears in every 160th
    mint set.

    Of course mint set survival has been poor as well.

    Tempus fugit.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 26,879 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>1976-D is a DDO, PUP Liberty if memory serves >>



    Yes. It's a fairly dramatic DDO. It's pretty scarce as well with fewer twenty pieces I believe.
    Tempus fugit.
  • I hate to throw a rookie question out there, but I have a 1965 quarter that is thinner than a dime and it has perfect reeded edges with a decently well defined reverse, but a pretty weak obverse.. I assume that it is struck on the clad portion. I assume it is valued at around $50 ...I am close on the value?
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 26,879 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I hate to throw a rookie question out there, but I have a 1965 quarter that is thinner than a dime and it has perfect reeded edges with a decently well defined reverse, but a pretty weak obverse.. I assume that it is struck on the clad portion. I assume it is valued at around $50 ...I am close on the value? >>



    The description doesn't sound right. There are a lot of defective
    planchets from '65 so it might be but the clad layers are extremely
    thin. They are easily bent inadvertantly they are so thin.

    The copper core can strike up pretty nicely sometimes but the coin
    would appear to be copper.
    Tempus fugit.
  • I will try to take some shots of it and post them!
  • Please forgive my terrible pictures, but maybe it will give you an idea.


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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 26,879 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Please forgive my terrible pictures, but maybe it will give you an idea.

    >>




    It appears to have been exposed to acid. These fool me sometimes, though.

    Most acids attack the copper preferentially but obviously that's not the case with this one. There are lots of different highly caustic substances.
    Tempus fugit.
  • How rare is the 1965 DDO? I looked everywhere for an example of the coin and I did not find a single example for display or for sale. Thanks!

    Harry
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 26,879 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How rare is the 1965 DDO? I looked everywhere for an example of the coin and I did not find a single example for display or for sale. Thanks!
    >>




    The Cherrypickers' Guide calls it extremely rare and lists it for $350 in AU.

    It's rarely listed anywhere for sale and I've never seen one. Like many modern
    varieties it seems to be more common in circulated grades. One imagines there
    must be a lot more in circulation but not enough people are looking to pull them
    out.

    Of course by now more than half are gone forever and the rest are heavily worn
    and often damaged.

    I'd guess somewhere in the neighborhood of a couple dozen have been found,
    but I haven't heard of this many.
    Tempus fugit.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The quarter posted by BrickAlley was exposed to aqua regia or some other single acid or combination of acids. In other words, it is a post-Mint alteration.
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  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm a Washington collector and always appreciate your posts. Thanks.image
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "How rare is the 1965 DDO?"

    A tough variety but maybe not quite as tough as is often stated. I know of two people who have found one in circulation. The 1966 DDR, 1968-D DDR, both dies 1 and 2 of the 1970-D DDO, 1971 DDR and 1971-D DDR all seem to be considerably rarer than the 1965 DDO. One reason that few have been seen for sale may be that the copper-nickel doubled dies seem to be largely ignored-really too bad as most seem to be much rarer than their silver counterparts.
  • TTT

    Some of the newer forum members might be interested in this post and the links within it.

    Maybe someone, new or old, may have an update for it.
  • Will there be more varieties to come with the 65, 66, 67 sms coins.the sms coins are neither B.U. nor proof.Would this be a whole different type all together? The sms coins are often overlooked.Like all the sms coins were minted at SanFrancisco but have no mint mark.Just curious.
    Mark Anderson
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 26,879 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm no longer confident that a 1974 reverse of '73 exists. It will be deleted for the time being.
    Tempus fugit.
  • cupronikcupronik Posts: 773 ✭✭✭
    What about the 1977-D Quarter struck on a 40% silver-clad planchet? I personally know a dealer who has two of these and have seen them myself.

    (Recently another dealer showed me a 77-D Kennedy Half also struck on a 40% silver-clad planchet.)
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Will there be more varieties to come with the 65, 66, 67 sms coins.the sms coins are neither B.U. nor proof.Would this be a whole different type all together? The sms coins are often overlooked.Like all the sms coins were minted at SanFrancisco but have no mint mark.Just curious. >>



    I believe the 1967 2-O-I SMS is also known as a regular business strike. Apparently that die was used for circulation strike coins after they were done striking the SMS coins-not at all an uncommon practice over the years.
  • unclebobunclebob Posts: 434 ✭✭✭
    Thank you for sharing this list.
  • Are there any photos of the 1966 DDR availible.....I dont have a CPG and it looks much different than the one in "strike it Rich"

    On the coin i have the _ _LU__BUS UNUM appear to be letters on top of letters and can be seen without magnification.

    On the (obv) the IN G & TR appear to have some doubling (maybe machine doubiling) different than the (rev).

    Any thoughts ? i'm in the process of trying to take some close ups of the coin........ then i'll have to try to figure out how to upload them
    but not being a photograper I dont have high hopes but will give it a try.

    I believe this to be a buisness strike.
  • dlmtortsdlmtorts Posts: 672 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for resurrecting this thread. Very informative.
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Are there any photos of the 1966 DDR availible.....I dont have a CPG and it looks much different than the one in "strike it Rich"

    On the coin i have the _ _LU__BUS UNUM appear to be letters on top of letters and can be seen without magnification.

    On the (obv) the IN G & TR appear to have some doubling (maybe machine doubiling) different than the (rev).

    Any thoughts ? i'm in the process of trying to take some close ups of the coin........ then i'll have to try to figure out how to upload them
    but not being a photograper I dont have high hopes but will give it a try.

    I believe this to be a buisness strike. >>

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Are there any photos of the 1966 DDR availible.....I dont have a CPG and it looks much different than the one in "strike it Rich"

    On the coin i have the _ _LU__BUS UNUM appear to be letters on top of letters and can be seen without magnification.

    On the (obv) the IN G & TR appear to have some doubling (maybe machine doubiling) different than the (rev).

    Any thoughts ? i'm in the process of trying to take some close ups of the coin........ then i'll have to try to figure out how to upload them
    but not being a photograper I dont have high hopes but will give it a try.

    I believe this to be a buisness strike. >>



    Let's try again-my response didn't attach for some reason.

    The reported doubled die reverse for this date (1-R-I) is a business strike-not an SMS-and is what is known as a Class I (rotated) doubled die. It is rotated counter-clockwise and quite strong-it can easily be seen on the peripheral reverse lettering-USA and QUARTER DOLLAR-and is the only doubled die reverse so far reported.
  • In the redbook I was reading that the business coins were struck once and that the sms coins were struck twice.Could this double strikeing be a cause for doubleing errors? Thanks
    Mark Anderson
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,700
    cool post, I am always surprised how rare these are but some of that has to be the "needle in the haystack" effect. One die paie of say a 76d quarter is a much smaller percentage than say one die pair of an 1918s quarter. There just has to be dozens of these in used VF-EF in random change holders in random nick nack spots across the country.


  • << <i>

    << <i>Are there any photos of the 1966 DDR availible.....I dont have a CPG and it looks much different than the one in "strike it Rich"

    On the coin i have the _ _LU__BUS UNUM appear to be letters on top of letters and can be seen without magnification.

    On the (obv) the IN G & TR appear to have some doubling (maybe machine doubiling) different than the (rev).

    Any thoughts ? i'm in the process of trying to take some close ups of the coin........ then i'll have to try to figure out how to upload them
    but not being a photograper I dont have high hopes but will give it a try.

    I believe this to be a buisness strike. >>



    Let's try again-my response didn't attach for some reason.

    The reported doubled die reverse for this date (1-R-I) is a business strike-not an SMS-and is what is known as a Class I (rotated) doubled die. It is rotated counter-clockwise and quite strong-it can easily be seen on the peripheral reverse lettering-USA and QUARTER DOLLAR-and is the only doubled die reverse so far reported. >>



    I tried getting a clear closeup yesyerday to no avail will try again shortly.....and it is rotated a bit but doubling is only on e pluribus unum.
    I will try the scanner instead of the camera
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>In the redbook I was reading that the business coins were struck once and that the sms coins were struck twice.Could this double strikeing be a cause for doubleing errors? Thanks >>



    Nope-that would be a double strike. Doubled dies are caused by a mis-hubbing of the die itself.
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Are there any photos of the 1966 DDR availible.....I dont have a CPG and it looks much different than the one in "strike it Rich"

    On the coin i have the _ _LU__BUS UNUM appear to be letters on top of letters and can be seen without magnification.

    On the (obv) the IN G & TR appear to have some doubling (maybe machine doubiling) different than the (rev).

    Any thoughts ? i'm in the process of trying to take some close ups of the coin........ then i'll have to try to figure out how to upload them
    but not being a photograper I dont have high hopes but will give it a try.

    I believe this to be a buisness strike. >>



    Let's try again-my response didn't attach for some reason.

    The reported doubled die reverse for this date (1-R-I) is a business strike-not an SMS-and is what is known as a Class I (rotated) doubled die. It is rotated counter-clockwise and quite strong-it can easily be seen on the peripheral reverse lettering-USA and QUARTER DOLLAR-and is the only doubled die reverse so far reported. >>



    I tried getting a clear closeup yesyerday to no avail will try again shortly.....and it is rotated a bit but doubling is only on e pluribus unum.
    I will try the scanner instead of the camera >>



    I don't believe you have a doubled die. I also looked online for an image of the reported d die-to no avail.
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A valuable reference on Washington Quarters is "The Best of the Washington Quarter Doubled Dies" by Wexler and Flynn. James Wiles has also written a couple of books on the subject.
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