So who is going to be named? looks like Raffy was
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My source tells me that MLB is going to name the latest player to test positive for steroids on Monday. Baseball wants to wait until after the HOF induction on Sunday, as this players name is so BIG that it would take away from Boggs and Sandberg. Apparently it is not Bonds, as this so called player is not on the DL.
Any guesses?
Any guesses?
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I would have said Thome but he's on the DL. The Phillies are my favorite but Thome's lack of production, recurring injuries and longer term recovery really stick out this year. His year is a good example of someone who has recently given up the roids.
How about Giambi. Maybe his improved performance is not natural. Wouldn't be surprised if they tested him.
Also wouldn't be surprised if a pitcher is the next to get pegged. What pitchers could be juicing?
The name is B-I-G BIG!
I think Sosa
I might say Sosa too with his recent performance. or lack thereof.
Maybe they caught him early in the season and waited until after the All Star break and the HOF stuff.
He'll plead ignorance and blame it on some Dominican doctor.
apparently we all will on Monday ... I just hope he isn't on my fantasy team
He wouldn't be that dumb now would he ?
Interesting article in Financial Times.
Makes me lean more toward a pitcher being the next caught.
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It would be.
600 HR and 3000 Hits .... with assistance
And Rafael just added to it.
What a lyin' sack of dookie!
Not only has Palmeiro now cast a longer shadow on the game and the players he has done the inexcusable and added credence to Canseco's claims. Yeah Canseco has been correct in much of his story but he went about exposing it in the wrong manner and has tried to make himslef look like a hero.
Knock Palmeiro's career hit record back to 2,999 and kick him out for life.
I know one such poster (winpitcher) swore up and down there was no way he could have, and how Raffy 'naturally' developed those power numbers.
Only a child would look at Raffy's power numbers that took a significant jump after Canseco arrived in Texas and not conclude Raffy was juicing. I think this seriously hurts his hall chances, especially after he so defiantly told Congress he never used them.
Hopefully this is the mark that keeps that cheating bum Raffy out of the hall. Pete Rose's transgressions never took place on the field; what Raffy has done is directly affect the outcome of countless games with his cheating ways. He should be banned for life from the hall.
Sosa is next, and then Bonds a week later.
In a prepared statement, Palmeiro said he could not explain how the steroids got into his body. "I have never intentionally used steroids. Never. Ever. Period," he said.
"However I did wake up one morning with a needle stuck in my left buttock but assumed that I was the victim of a random drive by injection,"
Palmeiro added.
Rafael Pa"liar"o.
"In remarks prepared for a conference call Monday, Palmeiro said he had accepted his punishment and could not explain how the steroids got into his body."
Did they get there via osmosis or was his viagra spiked?
He used steroids to never win an MVP? To get to a total of 3 all star games? Wonder how little he would have done had he not cheated his way to 500 HRs?
Guess Sandberg knew was he was saying in his acceptance speech about players on steroids. Wanna bet that he was referring to one of his former team mates Raffy?
Maybe Sandberg was privy to the info.
was these test done last year or before season?
Brian
First off I never said any such thing. as a matter of fact I said "If and when it is proved he was on steroids my impression of him could change" Axtell thinks he knows what people are thinking and interprets what they say for his own benifit.
I did say that he (palmiero) claimed during the congressional hearings) that he never touched them. I was simply going by what he said. My debate with Axtell was never (in my mind) how Palmiero achieved those numbers, it was simply that he had, and with such numbers deserved to be a HOF.
with the latest news i will now indeed think twice about it.
Axtell no one especially me will ever hide from you, simply because of a debate regarding who deserves to be in the HOF.
SD
<< <i>He used steroids to never win an MVP? >>
I'm sure you are in the camp that about 50% of major leaguers juice, so that doesn't make sense. Just because your juicing you should be an MVP, everyone who juices should be a MVP? Poor Jeremy Giambi got screwed then he couldn't even stay a big leaguer.
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How was he a consistent home run threat for 20 years?
Ax if that was for me..........
I never said he was. re read my post
not a mention of homers........
He didn't hit 30+ home runs until his 8th year in the league (37) which he followed up with 23,
first off his first yr shant be counted, as he was most prolly a late season call up, to call that a yr is ludicrous. the 2nd was a half yr. and as for follwed up with 23. you conveniently left out that it was the STRIKE yr when almost 1/3 of the season was wiped out. Now if it is later proved that he was indeed on the juice , well then perhaps my opinion of him will change. with that said,. you will never convince me that Palmiero is not hall worthy and bound.
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What? Anyone who thinks that Rafael Palmiero isn't getting into the Hall of Fame has got to be smoking banana peels.
couldn't resist trying to get one more jab in huh? at least be correct in your assumptions AX
the above post clearly shows that i never "swore up and down he did it naturally " how in the world would I know that? Im not with the guy 24 hrs a day.
SD
<< <i>WOW, how could he be so stupid after getting 500 Home Runs, knowing that random testing was coming to stay on the steroids?
"In remarks prepared for a conference call Monday, Palmeiro said he had accepted his punishment and could not explain how the steroids got into his body."
Did they get there via osmosis or was his viagra spiked? >>
I could not agree more with this comment. As many of you know on this board, I have been an ardent supporter of Raffy going back to allegations of roid use and his HOF candidacy. I have always stated that I did not think that Raffy did roids since he did not have the characteristics of a roid user (McGwire, Roids, Javy Lopez, Boone, etc.). I will still hold to that claim until the official results are released stating what he tested positive for. He could have tested positive for blood boosters, steroid pre-cursors, or quite a few other fun things that are tested for under the steroid policy that are in fact not steroids.
Even if he did test positive for a steroid, I don't really care. Many others have done it as well and I think he is on level ground there even if his numbers weren't as great.
The think that really pisses me off is that this guy must think that we are stupid. And it is not the whole "misleading" Congress business. What I'm referring to is the "Oh gee, how did that get into my system? I can't possibly do steroids, so someone else must have put it there. Maybe, if you spread a lie enough times, it will infect your body." It is all BS.
I once told a story about Barry Bonds using the same BS line. He stated he didn't know what he was rubbing into his skin. Here is a guy that weighs his food, makes sure it is cooked to his specs, monitors his calorie intake like a hawk, and monitors his workout 24/7, and he simply takes a "healing cream" from his trainer and uses it without asking questions? C'mon, don't take us fans for idiots.
Raffy, if you did indeed test positive for roids, many of us stood behind you and defended you. I say screw you for lying to us and treating us like a bunch of roaches and jackasses.
On a side note, I sure as hell bet Sosa is mad at his team mate for not telling him that he could continue using roids for another six months. LOL
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<< <i>What? Anyone who thinks that Rafael Palmiero isn't getting into the Hall of Fame has got to be smoking banana peels. >>
I'm not so sure. Right now there is such a backlash against steriods who knows how it will be viewed in 5-10 years. Will it just be thought of as cheating that people did (like spit balls, corked bats, etc.) or will be thought of as inexcusable cheating that can keep you out of the hall. He got busted and the stupidy of that may be enought to keep him out since was probably a hofer before this season. Right now I'd bet that if a vote was taken he's not in.
<< <i>Anyone who thinks that Rafael Palmiero isn't getting into the Hall of Fame has got to be smoking banana peels. >>
I could say the same for Pete Rose.
"Hey Raffy, I told you so."
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Jose Canseco
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No I don't think half of baseball did steroids. But for someone who previously was HoF bound, taking steroids to achieve mediocrity in yearly numbers only casts an even longer shadow asking questions like 'what kind of numbers would he have put up hadn't he cheated?'
Looking deeply at the numbers and the accused players, it may only help no more than a 10% increase in stats, and maybe even less. But it is also possible that it helps a certain individual far more. The fact is that it is really tough to figure. There are many other factors for the increase of the raw numbers.
It is kind of sad in an ironic way that guys like Bonds and Palmeiro resorted to using them. Bonds was on his way to being a Hall of Famer before any steroid use, and Palmeiro was actually a pretty good hitter too. What if these guys took steroids and it only helped them a small amount and cost them the Hall of Fame(that Bonds would have gotten anyway)?
I was going to give Raffy some props the other day when he said "Even though I'm in the same club as Mays, Murray, and Aaon, it doesn't mean I'm as good as them." That was a rare intuitive thing for a baseball player to say.
As for the steroid testing thing, it is a total joke anyway. All these players had to do was take HGH and they could never get caught since blood isn't tested. So even when suspected guys pass, it doesn't really mean much. If you are caught, then you are plain stupid.
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I was going to give Raffy some props the other day when he said "Even though I'm in the same club as Mays, Murray, and Aaon, it doesn't mean I'm as good as them." That was a rare intuitive thing for a baseball player to say.
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I wonder if he knew this suspension was coming when he said that.
I for one couldn't be happier. The mean cheated and lied (to Congress, no less), cheated and lied to his fans, and lied to baseball in general in swearing under oath he never took steroids.
Talk about karma. Poor, poor Raffy. The only way he's getting into the hall now is by buying a ticket.
Raf wasn't sculpted like an adonis, but that didn't mean his muscles didn't grow, or his eyesight and reaction time didn't improve.
Just think of how many of the MVP's went to steroid users in the past ten years? Not that Raffy was one of them
It would be ironic that it took this for people to rethink his status as a HOF when the stat evidence already put that into question, but was lost on the fans and writers ignorance of stats. The longevity of very goodness was pretty impressive, and probably does merit HOF consideration, but not to the extent that everyone professed.
You might have been right afterall. It sure looks like Raffy might be the first to reach those big numbers and not make the HOF. All arguments about context and merit aside, baseball simply does not like cheaters.
<< <i>Raf wasn't sculpted like an adonis, but that didn't mean his muscles didn't grow, or his eyesight and reaction time didn't improve. >>
He can blame Viagra for that
One thing is for sure, Canseco is dancing in the streets while the media is ripping Raffy.
The guy on the radio pointed out that track athletes for years have been using steroids...that size and bulky muscle-ripped guys are the only steroid users/abusers.
It's just so funny now to see that the one person being honest and telling all was apparently Canseco....and nobody else.