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Compare and contrast the Wisconsin extra leaf quarter and the speared bison nickel "errors"
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The other was a mistake.
"Speared" Bison Nickel: simple die crack.
One has received mention (and praise) in Bowers' CW column, the other has not.
Both are 2005 coins. Both have been found in rolls in very specific locations (so far) in the Southwest. Both are attributed by the grading services.
The hype vs. worth on both is strictly a matter of individual opinion. Some pay big bucks for them, others could care less. I don't feel like I can knock collectors too much for buying them if that's what they are into. After-all, I've actually paid for Chuck E Cheese tokens for my collection
I'm somewhat indifferent towards these coins personally. I find them interesting but I am not willing to pay a premium nor am I in any hurry to acquire either. Though If I found either, in circulation or for sale as a normal MS coin, I would be excited about it. I check every time I get a Wisconsin quarter. As for the new Bison nickels, I guess they are being hoarded, I have only seen one in circulation since their release.
In short, they are fun and good conversation. Not much more in my opinion.
collections: Maryland related coins & exonumia, 7070 Type set, and Video Arcade Tokens.
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The other thing is a very noticeable die gouge.
I like the first, and have a couple, don't care about the 2nd, and if I found one, would just sell it as I don't believe it holds numismatic value. Just monetary value to suckers paying more than a few bucks each
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Maybe I should call every newspaper and magazine in the United States ...
@...so far L@@K...!!!
Cool, you could call it the "missing doobage" Lincoln!
Here's my coin I call "Headwound Abe"
collections: Maryland related coins & exonumia, 7070 Type set, and Video Arcade Tokens.
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Holy Canoli ....Someone get CNN on the line for me----I will only talk to Larry King .. FOX news----I want O'Reilly-NO Spin here.....
I like the WI extra leaves better than any of them except for the 55/55 and 72/72 lincolns
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One was extensively promoted by professional dealers. The other was not.
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Holy Canoli ....Someone get CNN on the line for me----I will only talk to Larry King .. FOX news----I want O'Reilly-NO Spin here..... >>
Value smalue. They are fascinating, and make hunting through change fun again. It's a coin that my kids can look for and find, without any special knowledge of numismatics. They're interested.
Die cracks are a little less interesting because the cause is so generic, but still it's smoething that can be readily found at a glance.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
@...so far L@@K...!!! >>
I call this one Lincoln in a barrel.
"Live long and prosper"
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It's deja vu all over again.
this is the only comparison i got
and better yet get it slabbed by a top tier slabbing service highest grade then you gots an easy multi thousand dollar coin add some superlatives to the holder like full wheat shafts or discovery coin or sexy mamma jamma and you got an even better unique one of a kind national treasure that belongs in the lourve in wee paree
One was extensively promoted by professional dealers. The other was extensively hyped by an individual.
Both are extremely overpriced due to the hyping and promoting and both are very Minor in comparison to real varieties/errors.
<< <i>I call this one Lincoln in a barrel. >>
Now THAT is a cool error!
Russ, NCNE
nothing good about anything. The grading companies can't grade, the dealers are
all crooks, and anyone who doesn't collect what they do is a fool.
Why does it have to spill over into modern threads too?
Why does michael drip originality (and everything else) until he ventures an opinion
about ANY modern coin and then he has nothing but venom and bile?
Speared bison - The originator gets pretty nasty if you don't agree about them. They are akin to a scratch on the coin (sure, metal comes up not into the coin, but it is still a scratch). Not really that interesting.
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The other was extensively hyped by an individual.
smoething that can be readily found at a glance
<< <i>no venom on my part - just the facts.
But your "facts" are missing the rest of the story.
The professional who pumped the extra leaf quarters took criticism and questions quite fine. I don't remember any of the venom.
The amateur who pumped the nickels verbally attacked anyone not seeing things the same way.
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I have no real beef with people that collect moderns. I must admit that I have quite a few such as...
1972/72 1c
1983/83 1c
1984/84 1c
1955/55 1c
etc, etc,........for example
what I dislike is seeing anyone on here hyping top pops, plastic, and specific coins on the coin board and THEN profitingon that hype on the b/s/t. I've said it before, you take any PF or MS70 coin, crack it out, sell it raw whether here, at a show, ebay, etc.... and sell it as a PF/MS70 without any mention of it previously grading such and see what it fetches. The day that it sells for close to what it would slabbed as such, let me know. I'll readily admit that you could probably show me an MS67 or 68 and an MS70 and I don't think I could tell you the difference and would be surprised if many people here could.
whether or not neptune wants to face reality or not is pointless. She was on here blowing all sorts of steam about these nickels. I would think that maybe someone somewhere just might regret slabbing and naming something that is so common and minor. There are many other well-known truly rare errors/varieties, modern AND classic, that are FAR more deserving of nifty names and slabbing. Obviously she won't, she's made her killing on all of the hype and cashed in on it and must think that the market is about done or saturated with them or would not have been wanting to unload her remaining 50 or so examples.
<< <i>cladking
I have no real beef with people that collect moderns. I must admit that I have quite a few such as...
1972/72 1c
1983/83 1c
1984/84 1c
1955/55 1c
etc, etc,........for example
what I dislike is seeing anyone on here hyping top pops, plastic, and specific coins on the coin board and THEN profitingon that hype on the b/s/t. I've said it before, you take any PF or MS70 coin, crack it out, sell it raw whether here, at a show, ebay, etc.... and sell it as a PF/MS70 without any mention of it previously grading such and see what it fetches. The day that it sells for close to what it would slabbed as such, let me know. I'll readily admit that you could probably show me an MS67 or 68 and an MS70 and I don't think I could tell you the difference and would be surprised if many people here could.
whether or not neptune wants to face reality or not is pointless. She was on here blowing all sorts of steam about these nickels. I would think that maybe someone somewhere just might regret slabbing and naming something that is so common and minor. There are many other well-known truly rare errors/varieties, modern AND classic, that are FAR more deserving of nifty names and slabbing. Obviously she won't, she's made her killing on all of the hype and cashed in on it and must think that the market is about done or saturated with them or would not have been wanting to unload her remaining 50 or so examples. >>
Everyone has an opinion and I have no problem whatsoever when that opinion is that moderns
are junk. This opinion is fully understandable and is hardly with no basis. It's perfectly normal that
this opinion will get expressed.
You say that there is a problem differentiating an MS-69 from an MS-70. Certainly most collectors
and the services will tend to agree with you on many of these coins. But this is true only to a de-
gree and it applies only to some specific coins which happen to be moderns. Those who collect
these coins see this as an asset for these coins; afterall they are superb whether they are perfect
or not. But this applies only to some moderns. None of the regular issue clad coins exist in either MS-69
or MS-70!!! There is no difficulty for even a novice to spot the difference between the finest and al-
most the finest of these. Even so it still doesn't apply to proofs. It doesn't apply to varieties nor to
coins in government holders. It applies to a tiny fraction of 1% of modern coins yet the earlier poster
consistently uses one such incidental characteristic or another to slam modern collectors and modern
dealers. When answered he doesn't respond but moves to another thread or another site to again
slam modern dealers, collectors and coins. It's bad enough when the bashing is relevant to the topic
but now we have to see it in all kinds of threads.
The earlier post is too harsh to classic collectors and probably mostly unfair. Negative threads are
naturally going to get more reaction than positive ones and ascribing this to classic collectors was
inaccurate.
It will be edited.
<< <i>cladking
I have no real beef with people that collect moderns. I must admit that I have quite a few such as...
1972/72 1c
1983/83 1c
1984/84 1c
1955/55 1c
etc, etc,........for example
what I dislike is seeing anyone on here hyping top pops, plastic, and specific coins on the coin board and THEN profitingon that hype on the b/s/t. I've said it before, you take any PF or MS70 coin, crack it out, sell it raw whether here, at a show, ebay, etc.... and sell it as a PF/MS70 without any mention of it previously grading such and see what it fetches. The day that it sells for close to what it would slabbed as such, let me know. I'll readily admit that you could probably show me an MS67 or 68 and an MS70 and I don't think I could tell you the difference and would be surprised if many people here could.
whether or not neptune wants to face reality or not is pointless. She was on here blowing all sorts of steam about these nickels. I would think that maybe someone somewhere just might regret slabbing and naming something that is so common and minor. There are many other well-known truly rare errors/varieties, modern AND classic, that are FAR more deserving of nifty names and slabbing. Obviously she won't, she's made her killing on all of the hype and cashed in on it and must think that the market is about done or saturated with them or would not have been wanting to unload her remaining 50 or so examples. >>
I have no idea what goes on on the BST board since I rarely check in. But I'll bet the dealers
and collectors on this forum who like Morgans or large cents also sell some of the same on the
BST forum. It would be surprising if those who collect or deal in any coins would believe they
are just junk and talk about them this way.
Neptune caught a lot of flack over these coins and it's really all unfair. Even I gave her a little
grief since I've never been the biggest fan of these either. There's nothing wrong with collecting
them or selling them though and she did nothing wrong. She found a new coin and got excited
about it. Why should this result in all the flames and insults? Many people have very legitimate
concerns about the nature, the timing, the importance, and the potential future impacts of this coin
but why should the discoverer have to answer to such concerns?
Those of us who don't see this as being viable can educate rather than attacking the coins, the
services, the discoverer, and the buyers of the coin.
We should also try to keep in mind no matter how we see this that we may well be wrong. More
trivial coins have gone on to get a massive following and high prices. Certainly all the animosity
will increase the chances that the coin becomes long lasting and well known.
I will agree with you on "why should the discoverer have to answer the concerns".
However, the flipside is that those that express a dissenting opinion should not have to be the recipient of the venomous attacks from the discoverer.
Someone discovers something. Fine. It slabs. Fine. It sells. Fine.
But, if someone disagrees with it, then the discoverer, unless they have a hidden agenda, should answer (if they want) and ignore the rest. Even if the agenda is not hidden (ie....discovered a new vam and want to sell it for all one can get quickly), then that doesn't make it right for the discoverer to attack anyone who dissents.
Even the ones who agreed that the SB wasn't much of anything didn't begrudge the profit to be made. Doesn't mean they should get attacked though.
Heck, I wish I could find a scratch on some coins and sell them for hundreds/thousands of dollars. I sure wouldn't get up in anyone's face on that but would be laughing all the way to the bank and ignoring the rest.
I think it comes from a lack of maturity, hostility, and possibly other issues/problems.
Also, I think there is a difference when the person who discovers something is actually part of the numismatic community (someone who actually appreciates the coins and cares about things) and not someone who doesn't (seem to) care much for anything but the quick buck.
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to pick sides; I simply don't believe it's wise to underestimate any of the principles or to write off
these coins out of hand.
Cheers,
Bob
As far as my not being a part of the numismatic community - just because I am not in your little gang, does not mean that I am not a coin collector. So I am not a dealer and I am not in your 'gang' - so what? I don't collect what you want - well too darn bad -you don't even KNOW what I collect - get a life.
I assume when you bully, you are accustomed to your victims cowering in fear from your bullying attempts, but that is not my style. At least I have style, which is something that you will NEVER have. So grow up Bochi - quit following me around the forum and trying to bully me - and while you are at it, you may consider quitting bullying others as well. Mind your own business - and quit trying to mind mine. You are a real wack-job. And YES, I am speaking that way to YOU ... and you ALONE - because YOU are the only one I have a problem with on this forum. Maybe others are afraid to speak up about your bullying ways and outright lies and twisting reality - but I am not. And don't send me any more PM's.
So, I have a "gang" now? And, I am a "forum bully" from "various PRIVATE messages" you have received? WOW!!!!
Btw...one doesn't need to be a dealer to be part of the numistmatic community. It appears that YOU are twisting things to suit what you want.
And, no "my dear", I firmly believe that you have taken offense to what anyone has said to disagree with you. I do like how you like to portray yourself as a victim though. I also think it is funny how you make things up.
Can you tell me who is in "my gang"? Can you tell me the last time you received a PM from me since you seem to allude that it was recent?
Also, if you paid attention, you would see I am all for people collecting what they like (hey....I am ALL for people staying away from what I collect so there is less competition!).....read my sigline. It's been there for awhile. Know what it means? It means modern collecting is cool as well
Never said you weren't a "coin collector" now, did I? I do find various wordings you have used to be peculiar though.
Now, can you please stop STALKING me and my posts? Also, please make sure you do NOT PM me, ok?
btw...cool....another edited post
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Mmmm...Poppyc*.
(Darn censors wouldn't even let me post a picture of poppyc*
i was just wondering what everone thinks about these nickel now?
they are about the only ones , that has keep there value.
and has even gone up.
pcgs say the ms 67 are now worth $5,000 dollors.
the ms 66 $2,600 and so on.
just wondering what people think of them now?
I think the same of them now as I did then and, now that you mention it, I probably have not thought of them at all in over four years.
<< <i>Hello, Mr. Alt,
I think the same of them now as I did then and, now that you mention it, I probably have not thought of them at all in over four years. >>
i am not a alt.
i am new here but not a alt.
<< <i>Hello, Mr. Alt,. >>
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<< <i>Hello, Mr. Alt,. >>
I was going to say, "Hello, LittleJohn", but I could not come up with the name fast enough.
do you act like this to all the new people?
do you act like this to all the new people?
No, only the ones that show up by bumping a five year old thread on a controversial subject and resemble someone else who was banned several years ago.
How about a fresh start?
Start a new thread, introduce yourself and your collecting interests, and then initiate a discussion on the speared bison.