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When PCGS bans a forum member, should they make an announcement

PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
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and let everyone know why? If they are doing something wrong, it would be educational for the rest of us to know so at least we would know what behaviors to avoid. In the most recient case, it was fairly obvious why the person was banned but I'm not sure its so obvious in all other cases.

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  • ebaytraderebaytrader Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭


    << <i>and let everyone know why? >>




    At least let the member know why. They banned a friend of mine from here without any known reason.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When the ANA expells a member. its listed in the back of their monthly magazine (The Numismatist) along with the reason why they were expelled. Not an unreasonable way of handling the situation.

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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭



    << <i>When the ANA expells a member. its listed in the back of their monthly magazine (The Numismatist) along with the reason why they were expelled. >>



    I just noticed that in the most recent issue. Interesting.

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  • DarkmaneDarkmane Posts: 1,021 ✭
    not only are you expelled... everyone else finds out why. sounds like a pretty good reason not to drop the ball in the numismatic community
  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    I always wondered why they didn't do this. Sometimes its obvious, sometimes not.
  • mrdqmrdq Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭
    They're smart to not do that. There are SOO MANY armchair lawyers here that every point would be debated too much and just comsume bandwidth for no reason. Bam them and move on. When a business relationship degenerates to the point that I have to fire someone there's not a lot of discussion about it.

    If the person is 15 or 50, short and sweet and move on.

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  • mrdqmrdq Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭
    and why isn't this in the open forum? The crap posts in this COIN FORUM really drive peole away.

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  • meos1meos1 Posts: 1,135 ✭
    Yesh, what he said and it also drives people away!
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  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭
    I disagree, I don't believe they should; there are too many arm-chair lawyers here that would nitpick every decision and use it against them.
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,732 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It would be nice if they left a locked sticky up somewhere for a while In
    some forum just so there wouldn't be a doubt about whether a user was
    banned or not. Details would be nice but not necessary.

    People disappear all the time for a multitude of reasons and it would be
    nice to know when it will be permanent. Also it would be nice to know if
    one's self were banned rather than just having computer problems.
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  • RotatedRainbowsRotatedRainbows Posts: 2,085 ✭✭


    << <i>When the ANA expells a member. its listed in the back of their monthly magazine (The Numismatist) along with the reason why they were expelled. Not an unreasonable way of handling the situation. >>



    The ANA is a paid membership where you disclose your identity, this place is a free anonymous message board so things like that are best kept under wraps.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm sure that legal considerations come into play. Don't expect any announcements or reasons why.
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  • HTubbsHTubbs Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>When the ANA expells a member. its listed in the back of their monthly magazine (The Numismatist) along with the reason why they were expelled. Not an unreasonable way of handling the situation. >>



    The ANA is a paid membership where you disclose your identity, this place is a free anonymous message board so things like that are best kept under wraps. >>




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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Didn't the guys across the street have an area where they recorded "strikes" (usually it was three strikes and you were out") and the reasons why? I don't know if that could be made to work here or if that many people would click on it.
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Perry,

    That is a great idea. Without an explanation, PCGS often looks like the bad guy. Many times, board members find it had to believe that a banned user could say anything wrong. An explanation would set the record straight.


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  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭



    << <i>If they are doing something wrong, it would be educational for the rest of us to know so at least we would know what behaviors to avoid. >>



    It's something we used to call common sense. Unfortuantely, it's not so common anymore.



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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Dicipline is subject to the rules of confidentiality.

    Management is quite correct in keeping the matter

    private.
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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Didn't the guys across the street have an area where they recorded "strikes" (usually it was three strikes and you were out") and the reasons why? I don't know if that could be made to work here or if that many people would click on it. >>



    Bill, yes they do. They show the reasons for the strikes and many times ban them for thirty days to give them a chance to ponder. If that fails they get banned and its tells why. Carol and others have addressed this issue here, basically they don't have time to play cop and wet nurse.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    An example of what I'm talking about is Frattlaw. Remember him? He was banned and there was a lot of specualtion as to why. No one was really certain. My own theory was his successful experiments and detailed descriptions of how to tone coins that were already encapsulated caused concern at PCGS that there would be an epidemic of slabbed coins being ATed. This was a legitimate concern in my opinion. Another example was Dorkkarl. He was a very regular and long time poster and then he stopped cold a few weeks ago. Was he banned. I don't know and I hope he wasn't banned but I have to wonder. As far as lawsuits, would that really be a problem with the posters identities being hidden in most cases? I'm sorry if this post is off topic. I tried to make the topic title detailed enough that forum members could skip this thread if they have no interest in it.

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  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭

    Frattlaw as banned for the same reason most are.

    Let's say PerryHall invited us to a party at his house and paid for all the booze and food. After drinking the booze and eating the food that PerryHall so generously provided, some people start saying PerryHall is an idiot and doesn't know how to throw a party. They say PerryHall takes expensive bottles and fill them with with cheap booze and ParryHall's food makes them puke. They claim PerryHall doesn't know what he is doing and the people across the street know what they are doing and everybody should go there.

    Perhaps you can make a list of all the things you wouldn't like to happen at the party at your house and apply it here?
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  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Frattlaw as banned for the same reason most are.

    Let's say PerryHall invited us to a party at his house and paid for all the booze and food. After drinking the booze and eating the food that PerryHall so generously provided, some people start saying PerryHall is an idiot and doesn't know how to throw a party. They say PerryHall takes expensive bottles and fill them with with cheap booze and ParryHall's food makes them puke. They claim PerryHall doesn't know what he is doing and the people across the street know what they are doing and everybody should go there.

    Perhaps you can make a list of all the things you wouldn't like to happen at the party at your house and apply it here? >>



    I dunno about that. I may ask the ill-mannered louts to leave, but I'm not going to call in the Gestapo and have them removed by force. The GOP paid for their convention, but they tolerated Michael Moore's presence.

    It may be poor manners to be derisive of PCGS, and it's simply wrong to post anything questioning their ethics. At the same time, the company should be tolerant of all comments questioning their grading standards, quality of service and comparisons with other companies.

    It would be impossible to conduct the forum with with a policy that "no criticism of PCGS will be tolerated." I think they realize that and I admire the way they take a lot of tweaks on the nose. Just as newspapers publish reader letters and editorials criticizing their own coverage, PCGS should (and does) accept dissenting points of view.
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,732 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    Perhaps you can make a list of all the things you wouldn't like to happen at the party at your house and apply it here? >>



    I don't know but I can no longer eat mashed potatoes except at home.
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  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭
    No. The loud whining usually gives it away.
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