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There was a bunch of 
going on about something which culminated with K6AZ posting someone's home address.
When I first signed up to the Coin Forum, I viewed it as sort of a "gentlemen's club" where people could be taken at their word and a handshake would confirm a deal. Sort of the virtual version of leather chairs, brandy and cigars.
Of course, that was years ago and the reality of this place has set in, and the Done Deal has become part of the lexicon.
Anyway, just be aware that if you post here about your collection, it, you and your family could be put at risk if you put your trust in acquaintances here on the Coin Forum.
It’s not the people you see here you have to worry about, but it’s the ones you don’t see.
going on about something which culminated with K6AZ posting someone's home address.When I first signed up to the Coin Forum, I viewed it as sort of a "gentlemen's club" where people could be taken at their word and a handshake would confirm a deal. Sort of the virtual version of leather chairs, brandy and cigars.
Of course, that was years ago and the reality of this place has set in, and the Done Deal has become part of the lexicon.
Anyway, just be aware that if you post here about your collection, it, you and your family could be put at risk if you put your trust in acquaintances here on the Coin Forum.
It’s not the people you see here you have to worry about, but it’s the ones you don’t see.
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
It was not a home address to my knowledge. It is all there in the theads in the Open Forum if you want to see it.
Billy
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>When did this happen? I must have missed it. What was the context of his posting your address? >>
K6AZ posted bankruptcy papers of another member on the Open Forum. It included personal information including the Social Security Number of the member as well as all the unpleasantries associated with a bankruptcy. K6AZ cited "public information" - published and available to any interested person as an explanation. It is mean, inexcusable behavior and should not be tolerated. K6AZ should be BANNED.
Bob Kruczynski / bohica268
"Guess that makes me a bonafide POS. " – K6AZ
You'll get no argument from me.
Don't I remember right, that ACG posted the same type documents of K6AZ's on their web site? I guess he was perfectly happy with their sharing of public knowledge
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Thanx, Wayne
I like that image.
over time good and bad people will filter in and out of this little tide pool of collectors.
K6AZ has done more damage to himself than to the person he attacked.
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Tom Pilitowski
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<< <i>I viewed it as sort of a "gentlemen's club"...Sort of the virtual version of leather chairs, brandy and cigars. >>
I view this place as a gentleman's club, but not the type with brandy and cigars.
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
It reminds me of the typical schoolyard bully in grade school. It was hard to get away from him. He appeared everywhere.
I chose not to comment for a while, but it never stopped....
K6AZ... I agree with most here. You were out of line and it's time you stop!
<< <i>When you become a coin collector of any substance, one of the first things you need to get is a P.O. box. Having any coin related stuff delivered to your home is just asking for trouble. AND you shoud avoid giving out your home address at all costs. >>
I second that !
Tom
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Tom Pilitowski
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800-624-1870
<< <i>Anyway, just be aware that if you post here about your collection, it, you and your family could be put at risk if you put your trust in acquaintances here on the Coin Forum. >>
Not as long as you don't give out your home address you aren't.
<< <i>K6AZ posted bankruptcy papers of another member on the Open Forum. It included personal information including the Social Security Number of the member as well as all the unpleasantries associated with a bankruptcy. K6AZ cited "public information" - published and available to any interested person as an explanation. It is mean, inexcusable behavior and should not be tolerated. K6AZ should be BANNED. >>
What moron gives out his social security number to somebody on a coin message board?
Bankruptcy filings are public. The petition had the debtor's Social Security number on the first page.
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<< <i>What moron gives out his social security number to somebody on a coin message board? >>
You didn't read the threads in the Open Forum. That's not at all what happened.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>What moron gives out his social security number to somebody on a coin message board?
Bankruptcy filings are public. The petition had the debtor's Social Security number on the first page. >>
I'm still missing what happened and why? Can someone explain this or provide a link to the thread?
Thanks in advance
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Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
Tiger trout, Deerfield River, c. 2001.
Bankruptcy filings are public. The petition had the debtor's Social Security number on the first page.
I'm still missing what happened and why? Can someone explain this or provide a link to the thread?
Thanks in advance
K6AZ had a disagreement with someone that escalated to name calling and K6AZ responded by posting the other person's personal bankruptcy petition, which includes the debtor's name, address, Social Security number, etc.
Bankruptcy pleadings are public record, but it's only in the last few years that courts have switched to an electronic filing system, which means that most recent documents can be accessed via the Internet in minutes.
K6AZ filed his own bankruptcy case in 1996, pre-electronic filing, so it can't be accessed as quickly.
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POTD 9-8-05 (awarded by gsaguy)
GSAGUY Slam 12-10-04
<< <i>Bankruptcy filings are public. The petition had the debtor's Social Security number on the first page. >>
In this day and age of rampant identity theft, does anyone know if this is still the case? That is, do current filings still include the full SSN?
All they need now is to include the mother's maiden name. Sheesh.
<< <i>1 linky >>
Wow that sucks
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Tom Pilitowski
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<< <i>What moron gives out his social security number to somebody on a coin message board?
Bankruptcy filings are public. The petition had the debtor's Social Security number on the first page. >>
I'm still missing what happened and why? Can someone explain this or provide a link to the thread?
Thanks in advance >>
Linky
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POTD - May 26, 2005
<< <i>Wow that sucks >>
The thread with the complete 20+ pages has been deleted. It was there last nite in all its glory.
I'm not worried. Eric likes me.
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In this day and age of rampant identity theft, does anyone know if this is still the case? That is, do current filings still include the full SSN?
All they need now is to include the mother's maiden name. Sheesh.
Rule changes went into effect December 1, 2003 to protect a debtor's privacy, including eliminating the use of a debtor's complete Social Security number. Only the last four digits are now used. Full Social Security numbers are included on petitions that pre-date the rule change.
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GSAGUY Slam 12-10-04
I'm almost positive that it is technically illegal to display someone's SSN publicly so a law might be being broken by the company having these records available over the internet and no one has taken the time to complain or anything. It is also illegal for a police officer to demand your SSN for any reason. Even in my college they are switching over to a universal ID number for each student in place of the SSN which they have been using forever. There are just too many security risks associated with this and all kinds of legislation is being passed to the point where we may never have to give out our SSN if we don't want to.
Also, I think it was BillJones who gave the advice to get a PO Box. This is awesome advice. At least in my town its only $20/year, my mom has had a PO Box in our hometown since before I was born and we have moved several times since then but still live in the same town. It has been very nice not having to ever change mailing address information and I always have the option to ship items securely to the PO Box or just ship to my house.
Joe
On the flip side, some of those who called him on it used some of the most colorful language I've ever seen.
Tiger trout, Deerfield River, c. 2001.
I'm almost positive that it is technically illegal to display someone's SSN publicly so a law might be being broken by the company having these records available over the internet and no one has taken the time to complain or anything.
It is not illegal. The number is on petitions filed in federal bankruptcy courts. It isn't a company that provides the records. They are available directly through a court's web site, or you can order paper copies from the archives. There are plenty of public documents that include Social Security numbers.
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POTD 8-30-05 (awarded by dthigpen)
POTD 9-8-05 (awarded by gsaguy)
GSAGUY Slam 12-10-04
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<< <i>Wow that sucks >>
The thread with the complete 20+ pages has been deleted. It was there last nite in all its glory. >>
The thread isn't all that has disappeared!!
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Joe
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I voted no and here's why.
Most of you guys/gals whine and cry when someone gets banned that is a "regular" here on the OF even though most of them that have been banned have posted pictures of naked women and not just hooters. When this happens, the person that did the posting of this picture KNEW that the picture was clearly out of bounds for the forum but chose to do so for whatever reason anyways.
The person gets banned and then we have to sit and watch the masses post to the whining threads such as "Bring back ......." "Why did ...... get banned"...."give ..........another chance".....etc......
You can't have it both ways.
K6 and Doug had been going at it for a few days and from what I saw, frankly it looked to me at least on the coin board as though Doug was antagonizing Eric.
Should Eric have posted the document? Probably not or probably not with the DS visible which I didn't notice but the document is a public record and is available for anyone and everyone to view and or request. I do believe though that if you made a public records request in person for any document now that contains a DS, that DS would be redacted.
The vitriol on these boards has risen dramatically recently. It's a shame, and it's also a sign of the passion that we all have here. I hope this can be resolved...
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<< <i>I'm sure it was a mistake he regrets. >>
I somehow doubt he regrets it at all.
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there are more than just him of this type on this forum. Some people around here can get downright weird - beware the internet.
<< <i>Smoe people just need to have the last word. If indeed he posted the info mentioned in this thread, he deserves what he got. >>
He posted it, the documents also included SScamaro's wifes info as well.
<< <i>I know nothing of the dispute. The links have been pulled and I'm glad. If Eric has been banned that truly is a sad day. I appreciate his knowledge and insight. Certainly if he did what he has been accused of - he was wrong. I'm sure it was a mistake he regrets.
The vitriol on these boards has risen dramatically recently. It's a shame, and it's also a sign of the passion that we all have here. I hope this can be resolved... >>
There's no doubt that Eric's personality rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. And even though I know he has a history of hand-to-hand combat here, and I know he has made some adversaries, I can't believe he would resort to this. (Obviously, he did. But I still can't believe someone would do that here. That's no better than what the Hagers did to him, and he thought that was bad or wrong, he lost the moral high ground here.)
It's a shame. He's a fountain of knowledge about Morgans and he's been tireless in his crusade to help less-knowledgeable collectors avoid getting burned by bad slabs and doctored coins. He is (was?) a valuable resource to the community in that regard. But this was just way over the line, IMO.