Opinions on this trade dollar - cleaned or not?

stev32k

I brought this one raw and the seller thinks it's AU58. I think it's AU, but not 58 - maybe 50 - 55. What really bothers me is that it appears to have been cleaned. The seller does not think so and he may be right, but the hairlines look like cleaning marks to me. He has agreed to buy the coin back if ANACS net grades it any lower than AU. Here's the coin:

K6AZ

Steve, I saw this on the picture thread, but I try to avoid commentary on pictures posted in those types of threads. It's been cleaned.

magikbilly

Rather severely and obviously I'd say. But from your own words:


1) you thought the seller overgraded it
2) you thought it was cleaned
3) you saw hairlines that also suggest cleaning
4) it "bothered you"

So why did you buy this one? Was it a "good" price? Deals with contingincies like you mentioned I stay away from. If I am not sure about a deal, there is likely a reason.


Best,
Billy

stev32k

I have purchased coins from this seller before and never had any problems. He is an honest man and will stand behind anything he sells. His grading is a little optimistic, but generally close. The cleaning marks did not show up in his photos, and they are almost invisible to the naked eye.

CarlWohlforth

It looks cleaned to me to. I'd bet there is very little to no luster left.

magikbilly

So you bought this raw from pictures. OK - gotcha.

Billy

AlaBill

Exceptionally clear photograph of the cleaning that was done on this coin.

K6AZ

One additional comment I would add, and what is a dead give away, is that the hairlines all run in a pattern on both sides. On an original AU coin, there will be hairlines from circulation but they will be random with no discernable pattern.

RVDavis

Agree, the direction of the hairlines is one of the primary diagnostics for me of a cleaned coin.

Smittys

<< <i>One additional comment I would add, and what is a dead give away, is that the hairlines all run in a pattern on both sides. On an original AU coin, there will be hairlines from circulation but they will be random with no discernable pattern. >>

Prethen

Definitely cleaned and a problem coin now. It's really tough to find nicely detailed TD's that haven't been cleaned as evidenced by all those hairlines.

JimC

Brillo Pad cleaned.

jim

TorinoCobra71

oooohhhhh wheres my brillo pad............

TorinoCobra71

au58

Even if ANACS net grades it down to AU50, there are many, many examples at EF 40 and 45 that are much more appealing. Unless you got this for VF money or less, return it. You will always be looking to replace or upgrade it.

Danegeld

Yep. VF-45, AU details.

Longacre

I vote cleaned

PerryHall

ANACS will give it "AU DETAILS-NET EF-40".

lordmarcovan

Hairlines like that could result from circulation.

However, there are just too many parallel hairlines on that piece for me not to suspect it was cleaned.

RAD

Cleaned......and roughly done.

PerryHall

stev32k---If you can't tell that this is an OBVIOUSLY CLEANED COIN, you should stick to coins in top tier slabs. No offense but I don't want to see you get ripped off.