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Phils Will Share First Place Tonight

Nats will lose to the Angels.

Phils will take Mariners to the shed.

Booyah! to those who counted the Phillies out of it after only 40 games.

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  • I guess if I was used to my team always being in the cellar, I'd get worked up about them being in 2nd place with almost 100 games left too!

    Brian
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>
    Booyah! to those who counted the Phillies out of it after only 40 games. >>



    Don't worry...they have 100+ more games to blow the lead (which they will...or haven't you learned that yet as a phillies fan?)
  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭


    << <i>I guess if I was used to my team always being in the cellar, I'd get worked up about them being in 2nd place with almost 100 games left too!

    Brian >>



    Aren't you a Braves fan?
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>
    Aren't you a Braves fan? >>



    Uh, no.

    I've never liked NL baseball...always been an AL guy.

    Funny, I didn't see many philly fans here when they sucked (and no, it wasn't that long ago, what, 3 weeks) saying 'we're going to win this thing!'

    Now they have won some games and you are going to win it all?
  • Ax, I think he was talking about me.

    I am a Braves fan - this year they decided to get some losses out of their system BEFORE the playoffs. On paper they shouldn't win the division - FL should, but they've won it for longer than I can remember so why not again...

    Brian
  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭

    Brian, it should be a good race to the end. No one team has a lock on it and a bad week could send them to the bottom of the division.

    Good luck to your Braves.

    At least we're not fans of both the Mariners and Bucs. image

    Keith
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>Brian, it should be a good race to the end. No one team has a lock on it and a bad week could send them to the bottom of the division.

    Good luck to your Braves.

    At least we're not fans of both the Mariners and Bucs. image

    Keith >>



    Well at least one of my teams has sniffed the playoffs in the past few years (Mariners) and my other one has won it all (Bucs)...something the Phillies havent done in 25 years and the Eagles who never have image
  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,991 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Phils should sink the Mariners tonight. But whatever the outcome of tonights game, I think the Phillies are now the favorites to win the NL East. They seem to have great chemistry!

    Go Phillies!!!!!
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    wrong phills lose! i started talking junk when mets were 1 game out and we tailed spin. maybe same fate for you now!
  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭
    Mets are down 5 runs in the ninth, and the Nats by 2.

    Wait until tomorrow.

    Better yet, we'll see the Mets in Philly next week.
  • Braves gain a little ground - looks like everyone else lost or is losing. I didn't mean to talk too much "smack" just the phillies winning today would have gone directly against a financial "investment" of mine image

    Brian
  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭
    I'm not liking the Braves chances this year, the bullpen is shaky, the offense isn't great, the division is much tougher and what the hell is up with Hudson. He was supposed to dominate. So far the big 2 that came to the NL have come up short.
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    still believe mets will make a run here real soon before and after the break. justwait and see. I HAVE BEEN WRONG BEFORE LOL!!!
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Answer: John Lieber

    Question: What pitcher surrendered Ichiro's 1000th career hit (getting there faster than any MLB player ever?)

    But on a more serious note...why don't the teams, when they play interleague, BOTH use a DH, regardless of ballpark?

    For an AL team to go without a DH is a huge loss, while an NL team going with a DH would level the playing field for both clubs.

    If they are going to have the DH in one league and not the other, in regular season interleague games, they should play the DH on both sides, regardless if they are in the NL or AL park.

  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If they are going to have the DH in one league and not the other, in regular season interleague games, they should play the DH on both sides, regardless if they are in the NL or AL park. >>



    What about the World Series? If we went to your format the AL would have an advantage. AL teams formulate their teams to have 9 bats while NL teams do not. Role players, great pinch hitters are more important on their rosters.


  • << <i>But on a more serious note...why don't the teams, when they play interleague, BOTH use a DH, regardless of ballpark?

    For an AL team to go without a DH is a huge loss, while an NL team going with a DH would level the playing field for both clubs.

    If they are going to have the DH in one league and not the other, in regular season interleague games, they should play the DH on both sides, regardless if they are in the NL or AL park. >>



    No way. I like this little nuance. First off, most AL pitchers have hit one time or another. Sure they may not be a comfortable as NL pitchers, but it's the same story with the DH when they play on AL turf. AL teams have a giant hulking beast on their roster whereas NL teams usually use a utility player. Both offer an equal advantage to the home team IMO.

    The only thing I object to is making the pitcher hit in an allstar game - no one wants to see that.

    Brian
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    All one needs to do is look at how dominant the NL teams were over the weekend (at home) and look how that swung over to the AL side with the AL teams at home this week.

    For the world series, absolutely, keep the format the same...but isn't it funny that home field advantage (and either taking an extra bat out or putting it in) is based on an exhibition game in the middle of the season?

    I think that if MLB is going to continue with the DH, then both NL and AL teams should have DHs...just my opinion, but I think that forcing the AL team to lose one of their best bats while in an NL park, where the NL teams get ANOTHER bat in the AL parks far too heavily favors the NL teams.
  • I know boston put Ortiz on first - they didn't lose their "best bat". If they're too out of shape to play limited defense, then they shouldn't be playing.

    Brian
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>I know boston put Ortiz on first - they didn't lose their "best bat". If they're too out of shape to play limited defense, then they shouldn't be playing.

    Brian >>



    That's the crux of this problem. Not necessarily that they are out of shape, but perhaps injuries, or whatever, have limited their mobility in the field, but still are viable hitters.

    The DH is a position as defined by MLB...whether or not we agree with it, it's there (like those who want to discount Edgar Martinez or Harold Baines because they 'just' batted DH).

  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭
    Brian - bring the smack, that's why we're here. No amount is too much and it's all in good clean fun, unless you are a fan of the Mariners or Bucs. If you are a fan of both the Mariners and Bucs, the board has pity on you.

    Lieber should have been yanked in the 7th when he made the error. He was obviously tired.

    Isn't the All Star Game league winner going to determine something in the Series? Who gets home team for the extra game? The AL could then get a 4th game with the DH.

    I don't really agree with this since the game does not matter to many players. It's supposed to be an incentive to make them play hard but it does not work.
  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭


    << <i>All one needs to do is look at how dominant the NL teams were over the weekend (at home) and look how that swung over to the AL side with the AL teams at home this week. >>



    So instead of a team having home field advantage, the AL should have the advantage in all of the games? Seems to me the way they are doing it is the fairest way.
  • Nats now have a 3 game lead over Phillies. I am beginning to believe.
    Ole Doctor Buck of the Popes of Hell

  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    *cough* *cough* the phillies lose 2 of 3 to the 'lowly' mariners?

    What happened to owning a share of first place?
  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭

    Pity and jet lag. image

    It's 1 1/2 games again.

    Look at it this way - after the Phils played Seattle and now Oakland, the race for "cellar dweller" in the AL West is a barn burner. image

  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>Pity and jet lag. image

    It's 1 1/2 games again.

    Look at it this way - after the Phils played Seattle and now Oakland, the race for "cellar dweller" in the AL West is a barn burner. image >>



    *cough* *cough*

    Sure sure start making excuses.
  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭

    With all the coughing it sounds like you're getting checked for a hernia. image
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>With all the coughing it sounds like you're getting checked for a hernia. image >>



    The coughing you hear is the Phillies choking the life out of their fans, flirting with first place this late in the year...so begins the annual downward spiral, keeping the phils out of the postseason AGAIN.
  • Gemmy10Gemmy10 Posts: 2,990
    <<keeping the phils out of the postseason AGAIN.>>

    Kinda like the Mariners not making it to the big dance every year but the Phillies do have one World Series Championship and one Pennant in the last 25 years..
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Spammy do you really feel the need to put your nose in every thread I am involved in?

    I mean I know you are an Axtell groupie and all, but your posts are boring.
  • Gemmy10Gemmy10 Posts: 2,990
    I can't help it if I am a groupie.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>I can't help it if I am a groupie. >>



    It clearly shows how much of a groupie you are...what, did the Yankees ban you from hanging around the players soliciting?


  • << <i>

    << <i>I know boston put Ortiz on first - they didn't lose their "best bat". If they're too out of shape to play limited defense, then they shouldn't be playing.

    Brian >>



    That's the crux of this problem. Not necessarily that they are out of shape, but perhaps injuries, or whatever, have limited their mobility in the field, but still are viable hitters.

    The DH is a position as defined by MLB...whether or not we agree with it, it's there (like those who want to discount Edgar Martinez or Harold Baines because they 'just' batted DH). >>



    They should be discounted, or held to a higher standard when compared to other players. Just as defense is much more critical for players up the middle - there are many 2B, SS and Catchers in the Hall of Fame who wouldn't have been considered if they played a position that was more demanding defensively. A great defensive SS can help your team win games by saving runs. A great defensive LF has a much more minimal impact. And, of course, a DH will never help a team defensively.

    Should a great DH make it to the HOF? Absolutely. But he has to be better than the HOF standards of all-non DHs.
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