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Onlypsahockey

I always wanted to crack a psa slab...now I have good reason.

PSA Order Status for Submission # 575063


LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 31157809 1972 O-PEE-CHEE 92 JACQUES PLANTE 7
1 31157810 1972 O-PEE-CHEE 92 JACQUES PLANTE 9
2 31157811 1972 O-PEE-CHEE 129 BOBBY ORR 8
3 31157812 1972 O-PEE-CHEE 227 B.ORR/B.PARK 6
4 31157813 1972 TOPPS 4 PLAYOFF GAME #3 8
5 31157814 1972 TOPPS 12 BILL PLAGER 8
6 31157815 1972 TOPPS 13 ED JOHNSTON 9
7 31157816 1972 TOPPS 20 TONY ESPOSITO 6
8 31157817 1972 TOPPS 31 ROGER CROZIER 7
9 31157818 1972 TOPPS 32 WAYNE MAKI 6
10 31157819 1972 TOPPS 40 BILL WHITE 7
11 31157820 1972 TOPPS 42 PETER MAHOVLICH 8
12 31157821 1972 TOPPS 58 LEW MORRISON 7
13 31157822 1972 TOPPS 62 NHL ASSISTS LEADERS ORR/ESPOSITO/RATELLE 8
14 31157823 1972 TOPPS 69 GILLES MELOCHE 7
15 31157824 1972 TOPPS 81 GARY DOAK 8
16 31157825 1972 TOPPS 88 DAVE KEON 7
17 31157826 1972 TOPPS 89 MIKE CORRIGAN 8
18 31157827 1972 TOPPS 100 BOBBY ORR 9
19 31157828 1972 TOPPS 109 PHIL MYRE 8
20 31157829 1972 TOPPS 110 VIC HADFIELD 8
21 31157830 1972 TOPPS 111 ARNIE BROWN 8
22 31157831 1972 TOPPS 118 BILL MIKKELSON 8
23 31157832 1972 TOPPS 120 GILBERT PERREAULT 8
24 31157833 1972 TOPPS 123 BRAD PARK 8
25 31157834 1972 TOPPS 125 ROD GILBERT 8
26 31157835 1972 TOPPS 128 BILL WHITE 5
27 31157836 1972 TOPPS 131 YVAN COURNOYER 7
27 31157837 1972 TOPPS 131 YVAN COURNOYER 8
28 31157838 1972 TOPPS 132 VIC HADFIELD 7
29 31157839 1972 TOPPS 139 BILL FLETT 7
30 31157840 1972 TOPPS 140 FRANK MAHOVLICH 8
31 31157841 1972 TOPPS 142 POUL POPIEL 7
32 31157842 1972 TOPPS 143 JEAN PRONOVOST 6
32 31157843 1972 TOPPS 143 JEAN PRONOVOST 9
33 31157844 1972 TOPPS 145 RICK MARTIN 7
34 31157845 1972 TOPPS 146 IVAN BOLDIREV 8
35 31157846 1972 TOPPS 147 JACK EGERS 9
36 31157847 1972 TOPPS 148 JIM PAPPIN 7
37 31157848 1972 TOPPS 149 ROD SEILING 8
38 31157849 1972 TOPPS 150 PHIL ESPOSITO 8
39 31157850 1972 TOPPS 151 GARY EDWARDS 7
40 31157851 1972 TOPPS 155 MICKEY REDMOND 8
41 31157852 1972 TOPPS 159 ED WESTFALL 8
42 31157853 1972 TOPPS 164 DENNIS HULL 7
42 31157854 1972 TOPPS 164 DENNIS HULL 6
43 31157855 1972 TOPPS 165 ED GIACOMIN 8
44 31157856 1972 TOPPS 168 NORM ULLMAN 7
45 31157857 1972 TOPPS 169 BARRY GIBBS 7
46 31157858 1972 TOPPS 170 ART ROSS TROPHY 8
47 31157859 1972 TOPPS 171 HART MEMORIAL TROPHY 7
48 31157860 1972 TOPPS 174 CALDER TROPHY 8
49 31157861 1972 TOPPS 175 LADY BYNG TROPHY 7
50 31157862 1972 TOPPS 176 CONN SMYTHE TROPHY 6
51 31157863 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 8 TOM WEBSTER 8
52 31157864 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 9 GERRY PINDER 9
53 31157865 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 10 MIKE WALTON 9OC
54 31157866 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 18 J.C. TREMBLAY 8
55 31157867 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 20 DAVE DRYDEN 9OC
56 31157868 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 29 AL HAMILTON 8
57 31157869 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 30 GERRY CHEEVERS 4
58 31157870 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 35 PAT STAPLETON 9
59 31157871 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 39 ROSS PERKINS 7
60 31157872 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 40 FRANK MAHOVLICH 8
61 31157873 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 45 WAYNE CARLETON 8
62 31157874 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 47 RALPH BACKSTROM 7
63 31157875 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 50 BOBBY HULL 8OC
64 31157876 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 53 CHECKLIST 8OC
65 31157877 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 55 GARY VENERUZZO 8
66 31157878 1974 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 64 JACQUES PLANTE 7
67 31157879 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 1 GORDIE HOWE 8MC
68 31157880 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 25 MARK HOWE 6
69 31157881 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 31 PAUL HENDERSON 6
70 31157882 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 35 ROBBIE FTOREK 8MC
71 31157883 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 44 J.C. TREMBLAY 9
72 31157884 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 50 BOBBY HULL 8MC
73 31157885 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 58 CHECKLIST 1-66 8MC
73 31157886 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 58 CHECKLIST 1-66 8
74 31157887 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 61 FRANK MAHOVLICH 8MC
75 31157888 1977 O-PEE-CHEE WHA 65 MARTY HOWE 6

Date Received: 06/02/2005
Date of Grades Posted: 06/08/2005
Date Shipped: No Date Specified





It's results like this that reaffirm my beliefs in buying slabbed.

Bob

gmoneystyles

sorry for your loss.

Boopotts

I hate to say it, but I don't see much there that's worth cracking out.

Onlypsahockey

everything 7 or below is worth more raw.

I wouldn't mind the results so much if I hadn't hand picked the best cards out of 3 nice sets and wrote "NO QUALIFIERS PLEASE" all over the submission forms.

I need an eye exam!

Bob

Boopotts

My Bad-- I thought you were looking to resubmit.

I've had some of these 'results from hell' submissions myself, so I feel your pain.

SDavid

This is why I keep my submissions to Cali and Texas around the 20 card mark.

Sure, they can still screw me, but only for so much and only for so long!

Ripken

If you wrote 'no qualifiers please' and they still gave you qualifiers, you have a legitimate gripe. Get on the phone & let 'em know they screwed up. They might give you credit which you could at least use on another submission. Grading is too expensive to let that stuff slide.

kingraider75

you can ask PSA not to give you qualifiers??? How does that work? I thought the grader makes the call on whether it's going to be an 8OC or 7 straight or whatever.

TurbosHockey

Nice pick on the Pinder and Stappleton though on the 74 WHA. That set is a real pain to find centered.

Yzerman19C

Bob

I think i may be able to explain the MC on the 1977-78 OPC WHA hockey. It may end up being one of the toughest hockey sets to build.
The printed in Canada sign on the back of the cards is almost always partially cut off , in the case of the Howe it is usually on the top of the card(not the bottom where it is supposed to be). The 1977-78 WHA set is very easy to find and i had opened some boxes about 15 years ago. I went through those cards last year and while the fronts looked perfect that printed in canada sign was almost always cut off.

Randy

MorrellMan

<< <i>everything 7 or below is worth more raw. >>



When you say "worth more raw" I am assuming you are talking about resale - selling them to someone who thinks they are in better condition than PSA thought - am I correct?

Ripken

If you indicate "no qualifiers" on the submission form, they will grade without using them. That means if a card is o/c or miscut, that's put into the equation. A PSA 9 o/c is then usually a PSA 7 or 8.

MrUnc

Dude,

You just learned a tough lesson on how rough those early hockey cards can be. If you look through some of my sets, you'll see that I had to conquer the o/c and several other OPC challenges. High end cards are tough to locate throughout the decade.

Matt

doncherry

<< <i>Bob

I think i may be able to explain the MC on the 1977-78 OPC WHA hockey. It may end up being one of the toughest hockey sets to build.
The printed in Canada sign on the back of the cards is almost always partially cut off , in the case of the Howe it is usually on the top of the card(not the bottom where it is supposed to be). The 1977-78 WHA set is very easy to find and i had opened some boxes about 15 years ago. I went through those cards last year and while the fronts looked perfect that printed in canada sign was almost always cut off.

Randy >>




Once Bob's cards get added to the pop report the average will be that almost 50% of the cards submitted for 1977-78 WHA come back with a qualifier

Onlypsahockey

Thanks to Randy I understand the 77 MC's as I just looked through the remainder of the set. Approximately 80% are cut straight thru the copyright line on the reverse. Now if this is so common with the 77's why isn't this taken into consideration when grading cards from this set?

As for the 74 OC's I just didn't expect qualifiers when I hand picked the cards from the set (checking centering first) and requested no qualifiers. There must be a small quirk with these much like the 77 copyright line that warranted the OC's. I could care less about the grade (8 OC or a 6) neither will go into my graded sets. I just wish I knew why they were OC when I picked centered cards.

Mark- relax man. "everything 7 or below is worth more raw." What I meant by this and maybe I should have phrased it differently is when I build graded sets I build nice ones. I have no use for 7's or below from these years and if I sold the slabs on the bay I would be lucky to get the grading fee back. My reference to cracking them is to return them to my raw set not "selling them to someone who thinks they are in better condition than PSA thought". Maybe my phrase should have been "everything 7 or below is more valuable to me raw". I don't rip people off so don't worry about it. As a matter of fact I only sell slabs which I have upgraded or do not need for my registry. I don't sell raw at all.

I'm very happy with the 72 OPC's which I only picked out a couple because I haven't started my 72 OPC registry set yet. I must have missed something on the ORR/Park.

The 72 Topps I expected better as some came from Mr. Mint's wax pack which I busted and put straight into card savers. They seem to have averaged 7. I was hoping for 9's for my registry.

Lesson learned: The next time I have $450.00 bucks to spend on grading. I'm going to the nudie bar instead. Who's in?

Thanks, Bob

MorrellMan

<< <i>Mark- relax man. "everything 7 or below is worth more raw." What I meant by this and maybe I should have phrased it differently is when I build graded sets I build nice ones. I have no use for 7's or below from these years and if I sold the slabs on the bay I would be lucky to get the grading fee back. My reference to cracking them is to return them to my raw set not "selling them to someone who thinks they are in better condition than PSA thought". Maybe my phrase should have been "everything 7 or below is more valuable to me raw". I don't rip people off so don't worry about it. As a matter of fact I only sell slabs which I have upgraded or do not need for my registry. I don't sell raw at all. >>



Consider me relaxed! Jeez, this world on my shoulders gets heavy at times...

Onlypsahockey

It's all good.

Maybe we should both drop a nickel at the strip joint?!

Bob

jackstraw

OK
My 2 submissions, one with 12 cards and another with 14 cards are received a day earlier than Bob's and his are done and my are not? This is what I don't get? Should it not be first in first out? Did Bob pay more money than I? Is Bob's money greener? Somebody help me understand this? Please!

smallstocks

Jackstraw,

That is what really frustrates me too. My submission was entered as received on May 16 and I am still waiting. I see others post their grades from submissions from the same special and for a similar numbers of cards that they sent in weeks after me. Basically I have to conclude that PSA simply plays by a random system that obviously is unfair. If you call to find out where your sub. stands, you simply hear "they are in grading". Well, mine have been in grading 25 days now and nada. I have other subs. waiting to go but I will not send them until I see these results first. Ugh!!!

Mike

DirtyHarry

Sorry to see that your expectations differed from the grades you received. I learned the lesson the hard way as well. You need to get a better handle on the grading standards. Do you have a decent magnification loupe? Are you measuring centering? "Eyeballing" is not the same as grading. Regards.

Onlypsahockey

Thanks DH, but I'm leaving it to the experts for awhile.

Bob

rvc

hang in there bob! thanks for keeping the hockey threads going during this terrible time. i've got my next 50 hockey card submission almost ready to go.

bobby

Onlypsahockey

bobby, may your grader hit a scratch ticket on his way to work and award you with nothing lower than a 9!

best of luck, Bob