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Why are the polyvinil (PVC) coin flips still being sold ?

fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
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They should be outlawed.image Why on earth are these "coin killer" flips still being manufactured and sold?

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  • numonebuyernumonebuyer Posts: 2,136 ✭
    PVC flips are very soft and do not scratch coins. They are OK for very short periods of time.
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't want to put a coin in a poyvinyl flip for even ten seconds.
  • XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭
    What if it were only going to be in the flip for five seconds?



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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I don't think the advantages of pvc flips justify the damage they end up doing to so many coins......... image
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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They're convenient... then again, at a possibly grave cost...
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Because the people who make them and sell them don't give a rat's asP what the flips do to your coins. Maybe they were really meant to put pogs in. image
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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    Poor quality materials and the like are sold across the board (no pun). It is the obligation of the collector to educate himself. Just like with a coin purchase itself, in the end you gotta do your homework.

    Billy
  • richbeatrichbeat Posts: 2,288 ✭
    I wondered the same thing on a thread a couple of months back, and I don't understand it either. image
  • TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,072 ✭✭✭
    Because my friend, they are still in demand!

    TorinoCobra

    PS I am with you in thinking they should be banned!

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,419 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Because the people who make them and sell them don't give a rat's asP what the flips do to your coins. Maybe they were really meant to put pogs in. image >>

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  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image It's all about the Benjamins baby.image
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The PVC flips don't develop scratches as the non-PVC flips do. Also, they are more pliable (due to the use of PVC) and don't split at the seams. The PVC flips are also much cheaper than the non-PVC types.

    I've seen too many coins with PVC damage and use them for very short term storage only.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,644 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Safety flips crack up easily, which makes them less suitable for short term uses, like sending coins in to be slabbed.
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  • ecosecos Posts: 391 ✭
    Do cardboard flips ever contain PVC in the plastic window?
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  • XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭
    I believe so.
  • Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭


    << <i>PVC flips are very soft and do not scratch coins. They are OK for very short periods of time. >>



    No, they are not.

    Many, many coins send for grading in PVC flips have "turned in the holder" from PVC damage. They are bad for the industry, and those with any influence in the industry should publicly discourage their use.

    After the "Coinmaster" album fiasco in the 1970s, it amazes me that ANY coin product since then was made with PVC.
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Do cardboard flips ever contain PVC in the plastic window?
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    I don't know about EVER, but all the 2x2's I've ever seen use Mylar for the window.
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    flips containing PVC should never be used............................end of any kind of discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    the notion that they are good for short term use pre-supposes that the flips themselves have some kind of idea as to how long it should be before they release the destructive chemicals onto the coin surface. even short term storage deposits SOME level of PVC onto the coin which will remain there until it's removed, and we all know how bad of a thing dipping can be, right????

    why would collectors/dealers who are so worried about the originality of our coins and so against any kind of conservation of our coins even consider advocating short term use of potentially destructive chemicals????
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,419 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Do cardboard flips ever contain PVC in the plastic window?
    image >>


    I don't know about EVER, but all the 2x2's I've ever seen use Mylar for the window. >>



    The problem with cardboard 2X2's is they have cardboard dust on the window from the manufacturing process which can cause spots on your coins. Before I use them I wipe the dust off with a clean cotton tee shirt. You can also use compressed air to blow the dust off. Also, be sure to compress the staples with pliers so they don't tear the windows (which are very thin) on the other holders when you are putting them in or removing them from a box. I saw a $10 Lib gold coin in a 2X2 once with the window torn and a big scrape across Ms Liberty's check. The staples on the coins were not compress and it was obvious what had happened. A nice gold coin was now reduced to scrap gold.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also, with regards to 2X2's, you have to be careful with small pinhole punctures in the very thin mylar windows. I've see blast white silver coins that developed a black spot where the small puncture existed in the window. Not very attractive.

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