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Who cares what TPG holder the coin sits in?

RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
In another thread (re: ICG), I came to the conclusion that other than for resale, it does not matter whose holder my coin sits in while I own it. Yes, there is the issue of aesthetics, and I do prefer that clear thin plastic rather than thick white plastic surrounds my coins. Some people do enjoy the PCGS registry, so it is important that their coins at least have been in a PCGS holder. Inert hard plastic is a great way to protect your coins from drops, new scratches, etc. While they are sitting in your desk, cabinet, safe, or safety deposit box, however, does it really matter what kind of hard plastic surrounds your coins?

The time that does matter is when it comes time to sell your coins. While one's true intentions indeed might not be to sell one's coins for many years (or forever, for that matter), interests change, and, regrettably, forever could be a lot closer than we think.

As an example, let's say that I am the owner of this #3 registry set of mercury dimes (I am not). Instead of leaving the coins in the PCGS holders, I decide I like the set better in a capital holder with all the coins together. For unexpected reasons, the set must be sold (change of interests, unexpected death, financial crisis, etc.). Will a dealer pay more or less for the set in the capital holder or in paper envelopes than he/she will in the PCGS holders? Given the choice, for resale consideration only, would you rather have these same coins in a PCGS holder, an ICG holder, or raw?

The exception would be truly magnificent sets like TDNs seated dollars, Cardinals early dollars, etc. where the coins are pedigreed and the value of the coins transcends the plastic. For most of us, regrettably, this does not apply.

Of course, buy the coin, not the holder. But also, buy the coin, sell the holder.

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  • tsacchtsacch Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭
    There is something to be said about buying the coin and not the holder..........I could give a rats butt about what holder my coin is in while I own it.....but I have cracked out a few I have sold that were in plastic pig suits cause no one wanted them entombed.
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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    The set you chose for your example has many pop-top coins in it, which probably wouldn't retain their grades in the current ultra-conservative grading climate at PCGS. Thus, if it were my set, I would DEFINATELY leave them in the PCGS plastic. However, if I did own that set, I would probably sell it and put the money into raw coins with better eye appeal (which would be cheaper).
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  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Regretfully, the coins will not only sell, but sell for more if it was in a PCGS holder. That is just what the current market is like; it is not what I like. When you’re talking high end coins, (and I think you are) then that little PCGS piece of plastic is an insurance policy. All you have to do is put two 1916 D dimes up for auction in identical grade, condition, etc. Let one be in PCGS plastic and one in NGC plastic. I can assure you the one who ends up in the NGC holder got just as good a coin, for less.

    BTW, I am Capital Board Freak. IMO there is NO comparison to holding a complete set of ANY series of coin in ANY condition in your hands all at one time like you can with a Capital Board. Sure beats the HE33 looking at blue storage boxes or 9 coins at a time in a note book.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,572 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For collectors of US gold such as myself the authenticity guarantee is ver important so it does matter what TPG holder the coin is in.

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For collectors of US gold such as myself the authenticity guarantee is ver important so it does matter what TPG holder the coin is in.

    I collect US gold coins, too, and I contend that while the coins are in my possession it should not matter what holder the coin is in. Only when the coin is being sold, should it matter. Being realistic, I would not take the coins out of the holders because of the inherent inconsistency of the grading process.
  • INXSINXS Posts: 1,202
    Moved to independent thread.

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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    I think it probably depends on who you intend to sell the coins to. You said that you collect gold coins. I am sure if you have a coin that is in a "second tier" holder and you sell it to one of the major dealers/specialty dealer, he will give the coin itself an honest assessment and pay you on the value of the coin. In that instance it would not matter what slab the coin happened to be in. I am sure the major dealer/specialty dealer would do the same level of review on a coin in a PCGS or NGC holder. However, if you tried to sell one of your coins to a local dealer or a non-specialty dealer, that dealer might rely more on the first tier firms to provide a level of assurance that the coin is genuine, is close to the grade on the slab, etc. It is possible that a local dealer might not want to touch a second tier firm's product.

    As for me, I tend to stick to PCGS or NGC coins. The reason? The main dealer that I buy from for my "real" collection only sells those items. For lower level purchases, I am more open to other holders, but I don't feel comfortable with my own grading skills yet to really tell if the coin is accurately graded or not. I guess it is possible that a first tier slabe could be misgraded too, though. So in summary, I think the slab only matters when you sell, and who you plan to sell to.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The problem with making blanket statements such as "you'll get more money for your coins in Brand A holders when you go to sell" is this:

    It depends on what grade is on the label and what buyers are available at the time. In a hot market, with great coins, you might be better off maxxing out the set so that many of the coins are in higher graded holders. For instance, suppose that Brand A will grade every coin a 64. Suppose that Brand B will grade half of them 65 and half of them 64. And finally Brand C will grade 10% 66, 80% 65 and 10% 64.

    Which is the better way to sell your set?









    It depends on the buyers available at the time. If they are willing to pay full 65 money for Brand B coins and/or a significant portion of 66 and 65 money for Brand C coins, then you are leaving money on the table as a seller by going with Brand A unless the buyers available at the time are willing to pay HUGE premiums for nice Brand A 64's.

    Note that this is an example taken to the extreme and not meant to represent any company's actual grading! image
  • mrpaseomrpaseo Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭
    To answer your question simply i would prefer PCGS slabs over any TPG, that is through my own experience. Everything is relevant, of course there will be examples of circumstances, but the bottom line is, PCGS sells better.

    What was one of the major factors of the TPG when they first started? I'm sure we can come up with plenty of ideas but let me clue you in on what I'm talking about. Many collectors did not know how to properly grade AND many non-collectors that have lots of money to spent (Investments) knew nothing about grading. Many a times the non collector investors were duped by authenticity and grade. Over the years, PCGS has shown time and time again that they are tough, consistent, user friendly and pretty accurate, not to mention their grantee. Many non-collector/investor types came to know them as well as the collector world as being the best.

    Keep in mind, first impressions are always the lasting impressions, PCGS came out the door like a thoroughbred and continue to tweak any problems that arise. In my eyes, they stand at the top, with NGC closely at their heals, but in the end, there is only one on top.

    Just my opinions,
    Ray
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    if the coins are all there and are "michael seal of approval coins" then the holder does not matter

    few coins meet the above approval
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I collect cameos and deep cameos. For my own viewing pleasure I prefer PCGS holders because NGC holders obscure contrast. The coins just flat don't look as good through the more opaque NGC plastic.

    Russ, NCNE
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it were possible to get my coins effortlessly into the PCGS and NGC holders at the time of resale, I would crack them all out and enjoy them raw while in my possession. (That's what I am talking about.)

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  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    For me it makes no difference at all. Since I don't plan on selling my coins for many years, what holder they reside in today is irrelevent. Who knows, in twenty years it could be ICG holdered coins bringing the best money.

    Just last month I had a serious discussion of cracking my D-Mint type set and placing in a real cool black capitol holder. I was talked out of it, but I am sure I will visit the topic again in the future.

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