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Two Cent Piece Clashed With Indian Head Cent - FS # 2¢ - 001.8

PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭
The United States 2¢ piece is a fascinating and exciting series to collect for both regular and variety collectors. Although short lived (1864 - 1873) the series has enough variety and difficulty to pose a challenge, yet prices are low enough in most grades below MS/PR-65 to allow anyone to complete the series. 2¢ pieces are a series that has received relatively little attention in the numismatic community even though it possesses significant historical significance; the Two Cent piece is the first US coin to have the motto IN GOD WE TRUST.

2¢ pieces are relatively inexpensive compared to many other series of the same period for corresponding grade. The series offers a significant challenge for high grade pieces in MS and PR 65 and above in RED, since many of the better grade coins were "played with" in the past and are now body bag candidates - go to any coin show and examine the raw "BU" coins in many smaller dealers' inventories. The series has two key dates, the 1864 Small Motto (actually a variety) and the 1872 in MS (a mintage of only 65,000 and many were believed to have been melted down by the Mint - compare with the 1877 Indian Head Cent and the prices of the 2¢ pieces look like real bargains).

The coin I am showing in this post is a rare and very interesting die clash variety, the 1864 reverse clash with an Indian Head Cent obverse, FS # 2¢ - 001.8 in The Cherrypicker's Guide, also listed as Leone 16B; URS-4, 5 to 8 pieces known.

The coin pictured is a 1864 PCGS MS64 BN Large Motto that I purchased from Angel Dee's (Andy Skrabalak). It is not easy to see the clash and very difficult to photograph, but still a neat coin.




Reverse with arrows pointing some clash lines
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1864 PCGS MS-64 BN Obverse
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1864 PCGS MS-64 BN Reverse
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Cherrypicker's Guide FS # 2¢ - 001.8, page 162
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    F117ASRF117ASR Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭
    Very cool! How does something like that come about?
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    stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    That's pretty interesting. Thanks for taking the time to post it - nice photos also.
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    PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭
    Below is a definition of a die clash. How the obverse of the Indian Head Cent clashed with the reverse of a Two Cent piece is anybody's guess. Multidenominational die clashes are rare. Look up the 1857 Flying Eagle multidenominational die clashes for more information (Snow 7, 8 and 9) and the Eckfeldt Shenanigans Theory for those - somebody playing around at the Mint.




    << <i>Die Clash - Upper and lower dies coming together in a coin press without a planchet between them; design details may be partially impressed in the opposite dies and subsequently as mirror images on coins struck from the clashed dies. >>



    I'm sure others on the Forum can contribute on dies clashes, and other examples of multidenominational clashes.

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Really nice coin.image
    Larry

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    solidsolid Posts: 2,975
    Very cool coin - thanks for sharing!

    Ken
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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very interesting coin.
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    MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fantastic!
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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very interesting coin, thanks for sharing image

    I had not heard of or seen this coin before.

    Lot's of great debate / stories about these mule clashes ...

    Here's a picture of my 1857 Flying Eagle Cent clashed with a Seated Liberty Quarter ... I couldn't get the Eagle's Shield lines (breast plate of Quarter) in CENT to show up in the picture, but they are also there ...

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