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1927, St. Gaudens, MS63, $625-Is that a good pri

A dealer gave me a price of $625 for a 1927 St Gaudens $20, NGC MS63.

Is that a good price for me as a buyer? I respect the opinions of this forum and would like any opinion about this deal.

Thank you.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Low end of retail. Good deal if its a nice coin and you like it.

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  • ttownttown Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭
    I purchased a 1927 ms63 in a PCGS holder at Christmas from my brother for $600 which was what the dealer in St. Louis offered him. So for a dealer sell that's a fair deal IMO.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    Certainly an adequate deal if it's least average for the grade.
  • I think so,as long as the coin has no major distractions.The 27 is the most common in the series (except for the 24)Either way a roughly 33% premium over melt value for a classic that is certified.
    GTS
  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    PCGS alone has graded over 37,500 1927 $20 coins in MS64 or higher (probably as many in MS63 alone). For less than $50 more you can buy a 1910 in MS63 which has a population of 1217/623. A much better buy in my opinion.

    Look at the population of 1924 Saintsimage
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS alone has graded over 37,500 1927 $20 coins in MS64 or higher (probably as many in MS63 alone). For less than $50 more you can buy a 1910 in MS63 which has a population of 1217/623. A much better buy in my opinion.

    I also tend to pay a little extra to get a better date for type purposes. In this case, I would make the excepction. In my limited experience, the common generic 1920's Saints in 63 come with nicer eye appeal than the common date 63's from the 1910's, which tend to be pretty hacked up. Would someone with more experience please confirm/refute my observation?

    $625 is probably ballpark for a reasonable price. The best way to confirm is to look at the Heritage auction archives. They sell a ton of these every week, so their data is as up-to-date as can be.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A buddy of mine recently bought a lot of 20 PCGS/NGC MS63 Saints for $585 each. Singles cost more, but $625 sounds a bit high to me.

    But if it's nice coin and he's been good to you, all we're doing here is splitting hairs that don't amount to anything.
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  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS alone has graded over 37,500 1927 $20 coins in MS64 or higher (probably as many in MS63 alone). For less than $50 more you can buy a 1910 in MS63 which has a population of 1217/623. A much better buy in my opinion.

    Look at the population of 1924 Saintsimage >>



    IMHO it really is a moot point. The pop difference does seem large, however, BOTH dates have more than an adequate population and saying that the 1910 is a "better date" is kind of silly. Just how many collectors do you think are putting together date/mintmark sets of $20 gold pieces?
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Two factors:

    1. The grading for common date St. Gaudens double eagles is all over the place. I've seen MS-63 graded coins that range from coins that should have gone into an MS-64 holders to coins that should have gone into an AU holder that were ugly as mud. image If you can't see it or if you are not a good grader, you just don't know what you will get. A lot of common date $20 gold coins are graded for the investment market and a lot of those guys don't know anything about coins.

    2. Gold bullion is high right now. If it goes back down to a $300 ish number, there is a 100% chance that you will lose money. These coins are near one ounce lumps of gold with a moderate numismatic premium.
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  • Bill is correct, however there is a flip side to his 300 dollar gold slide. And that is a price increase to 800.00 on gold. If that happens you will make a lot of money and so will the folks holding all those generic twenty saints. The people holding the twenty libs will make a lot more! image
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  • RYK is right the twenty something Saints are much nicer looking then the better date 1910 saints.Gold at 300.00 per ounce was historically cheap, just as 800.00 per ounce was high.I don't think anybody's gonna get hurt at 437.00 an ounce.Look at fifty dollar oil or even 60.00 per barrel,the price of copper or lumber.Natural resources are a limited supply.It's not like paper money where they just print as much as they want.
    GTS

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd agree that $625 seems high right now. At any coin show you should be able to pick one up for $590-615 imo. $600 should be more than achievable for a decent one that is actually MS! I would be happy to pay $625 for a 63++ coin that is bordering on MS64.

    These coins are near one ounce lumps of gold with a moderate numismatic premium.

    Most type coins from the 19th century regardless of grade are lumps of nickel, copper, and silver too. The $20 Saint gives you a collectable coin that appeals to coin collectors but also offers the potential leverage to gold bug investor types. The chance of gold going higher from here rather than lower ($500 vs. $300) is far greater imo. Nothing has yet to be corrected in the current economic situation. A lump of gold it may be, but highly desirable and liquid it also is. Go try and sell your some of your other coins at a show and you'll see the difference in liquidity and % margins. A 5% or less margin on a Saint is routine. A 20-30% margin on regular (non-bullion like) coins is also routine.

    roadrunner
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  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    I'd agree that $625 seems high right now. At any coin show you should be able to pick one up for $590-615 imo. $600 should be more than achievable for a decent one that is actually MS! I would be happy to pay $625 for a 63++ coin that is bordering on MS64.

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