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A challenging AT/NT coin

AndroidAndroid Posts: 726 ✭
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I picked up this 1934 Washington recently, and I simply can't tell if it's AT or NT. The toning extends onto the rims, and is in all of the crevises in the devices and around the lettering. The color does not drastically change from one hue to the next and is blended, particularly the red and yellow shades. All signs of NT. This coin would likely grade MS65 or MS66 at either service from a technical perspective. The brightness of the color is what throws me. The reverse is mostly an antique white/light golden color and not at all like the obverse. So what's the consensus?

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  • TonedCoinTraderTonedCoinTrader Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭
    Very Nice NT!






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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    NT, and attractive.
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    I like it.
  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529
    i vote NT all the way ! image Nice lookin' '34 !!

  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529
    pulled out of an album recently ?
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    I'm not an expert on toned Washingtons, but it looks very real to me, and very nice.
  • kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭
    Very tough.....good color blend...but the coin doesn't look quite right to me. My first impression was AT........but it's really a toss up for me and I would say the odds are in favor of NT on this one. If you send it in...please report back as I have a dime with similar characteristics that I am torn on!!! image
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  • AndroidAndroid Posts: 726 ✭


    << <i>pulled out of an album recently ? >>



    I'm not sure. I bought it in a cardboard 2x2. I'm usually pretty good at determining AT or NT, but I've never seen coloring quite so vibrant on a Washington, so it made me wonder.
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  • DD Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭
    I vote NT.

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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    Looks NT to me
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  • KurtHornKurtHorn Posts: 1,382 ✭
    NT, that's mint set toning IMO. Looks like a solid 66 to me.
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  • dtkk49adtkk49a Posts: 2,490 ✭✭✭
    I would say NT on this coin. I like it allot. Definitely worth submitting.
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  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529


    << <i>

    << <i>pulled out of an album recently ? >>



    I'm not sure. I bought it in a cardboard 2x2. I'm usually pretty good at determining AT or NT, but I've never seen coloring quite so vibrant on a Washington, so it made me wonder. >>



    The reason i asked was that the edges look un-toned because of a tight fit like you would see in an album.

  • nederveitnederveit Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭
    If I said AT, then could I drive to your house tonight and take it off your hands? image
  • AndroidAndroid Posts: 726 ✭
    Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm going to give it a shot at PCGS. Technically I think it'll 66, and I'm fairly confident it's NT. I'll let everyone know what the results are.
    We are finite beings, limited in all our powers, and, hence, our conclusions are not only relative, but they should ever be held subject to correction. Positive assurance is unattainable. The dogmatist is the only one who claims to possess absolute certainty.

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  • XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭
    Looks like NT, very unusual but fabulous toning for a 30's quarter. It has an MS66 "vibe" from here.



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  • xbobxbob Posts: 1,979 ✭
    Without reading all the opinions, my vote would be NT.
    I'd be happy to own that quarter. I'm guessing you are! Nice purchase.
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  • ccrdragonccrdragon Posts: 2,697 ✭
    mint set NT toning - beautiful coin!!!
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    The coin has the look of one which is NT.

    But, (and while this might sound silly or worse, it's a big "but"), I don't remember having seen 1934 Quarters with color like that. So, I am going to guess that it gets body-bagged and strongly hope my guess ends up being wrong.image
  • JxnBoyJxnBoy Posts: 737
    It reminds me of Tonelover's 1947-S Washington on his site. Maybe he'll come along.

    He changed his site somewhat recently, as he used to have a description with each coin (Jon, if you're reading, I miss that).

    Anyway, he used to say in the description of one of his Washingtons, and I think it was this one (the 47-S) "Cool but may be AT." Perhaps he was saying that for the same reasons coinguy1 says it may get bodybagged.

    Either way, it's a pretty coin.
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  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Looks NT to me image
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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    I have encountered numerous Washies with that type of toning...
    All of them slabb'd......


    Very nice coin and certianly worth the grading fee.......

    I see this pattern as normal, and natural....
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  • BigGreekBigGreek Posts: 1,090 ✭


    << <i>Very Nice NT! >>



    I agree!
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  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NT. Now after all of this, watch him tell us that it's AT, and he baked it himself!


  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe this coin was AT'ed by the same doctor who colored a bunch of early MS Commemoratives and got most, if not all of them into SEGS (and a couple of NGC) holders.

    The 'tells' are the same. That crackling color is one of them along with that hint of a certain shade of green/blue (along the rim).

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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    I have seen a number of Washington Carver commems with somewhat similar color and the "crackling" effect that Braddick just mentioned.

    Reportedly, some of them made it into PCGS, NGC (and other) holders before it was determined that someone was artificially toning them in that manner.

    I also occasionally see some BTW commems with that look.
  • TonedPeaceNutTonedPeaceNut Posts: 1,000 ✭
    This coin doesnt appear to have the "crackled" effect that Braddick is referring to. Its spotty, but IMHO not crackly. The spots throw me as well. Its hard to imagine why or how the spots got there when the entire obverse is toned.

    The color along the rim, especially the green just doesnt seem right though.

    But I'd bet it slabs at either NGC or PCGS.

    If it is NT, its a really nice coin!

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  • AndroidAndroid Posts: 726 ✭
    Since I'm going to Central States next week, I'm going to run it by Mark Feld, and the ANACS guys ( I love watching those guys) for their opinions on the NT/AT issue. I agree with Mark about generally not seeing this date with this type of toning. It's also not "crackly" as the picture might indicate, the toing is quite smooth. The white spots on the coin are spots that didn't tone, and that's the silver showing through. I've seen the same pattern on many NT coins, although not so vividly colored.

    Again, I appreciate all of your participation in this thread! image
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd vote NT. It might look better in person with the luster under the toning, but it has a few too many little white spots for me to say "WOW!"
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  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    Lets see the reverse...
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